EPTOther than that, you can also try to simply expand slowly and opportunistic without getting into major wars, and possibly form netherlands for lots of cores.
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Simberto
Germany11928 Posts
Other than that, you can also try to simply expand slowly and opportunistic without getting into major wars, and possibly form netherlands for lots of cores. | ||
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Pewt
Canada201 Posts
On September 24 2011 19:48 Holykitty wrote: does anyone know how your 'supposed' to play holland? i got out of the personal union with hainault. formed one with the northern dutch province, cant remember the name, and force annexed 2 other provinces. i started with sitting back and just trading and completing missions, waiting for a claim on our rivals for free cores, but it never came. so i was forced to leave the hre if i wanted to form the netherlands. so im now a 4 province country, but my current mission is to take on burgundy ; / but i cant rejoin the hre for help because i have unlawful territory Put 5 guys in every CoT and tech Right before trade 7 annex Utrecht and Friesland (taking unlawful territory bonuses) if you haven't got Claims on our Rivals by then. Swap out your first NI for Quest for the New World. Go colonize everything. Form the Netherlands, then kick Burgundy's ass. Oh, and if I were you I'd switch to a republic as soon as possible; being the HRE isn't really all that great as the netherlands and switching to a republic will let you avoid all the annoying missions to get electors to vote for you. You also lose out on PUs (well, a Noble Republic can still get them) but as a colonial power they also aren't as big of a deal as having really good rulers as often as possible. | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On September 25 2011 01:00 Pewt wrote: Put 5 guys in every CoT and tech Right before trade 7 annex Utrecht and Friesland (taking unlawful territory bonuses) if you haven't got Claims on our Rivals by then. Swap out your first NI for Quest for the New World. Go colonize everything. Form the Netherlands, then kick Burgundy's ass. Oh, and if I were you I'd switch to a republic as soon as possible; being the HRE isn't really all that great as the netherlands and switching to a republic will let you avoid all the annoying missions to get electors to vote for you. You also lose out on PUs (well, a Noble Republic can still get them) but as a colonial power they also aren't as big of a deal as having really good rulers as often as possible. pretty much how its gone its just i dont feel like playing the colonial game. i guess the only way to win is to ally with france or something | ||
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Pewt
Canada201 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11928 Posts
Just don't forget to get alliances with all of your vassals, and generally speaking vassalizing countries in the empire is usually better than annexing, since you can still get their votes for reforms and the title of the Emperor. And it does not lead to Unlawful territory. If you somehow manage to keep your infamy low, you can also trade, which, once you are emperor and get the basically infinite amount of manpower should make you able to field quite a large force.If you feel like you need to expand, try grabbing either denmark or poland, france or burgundy are probably to dangerous in the beginning. | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On September 25 2011 08:39 Pewt wrote: If you don't feel like playing a colonial power then the Netherlands is probably not the nation for you. its like the second richest country in the world, better placement than the hansa for early game trading, trade trade slider has negative affects if you actually own the CoT aswell ;/ and interesting border game with all the western giants. i just wanted to form the netherlands for RP reasons, but im ok having a huge army of vassels i guess | ||
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Pewt
Canada201 Posts
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On September 26 2011 01:32 Pewt wrote: The problem with playing a nation which gets rich off free trade is your economy falls apart the instant you acquire any amount of infamy, so expanding other than colonization is extremely tough. thats why i was hoping for missions, taking 2-4 infamy hits not a big deal, even early game u can take like 10 infamy because holland has like base 80% compete and i took compete chance national idea | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
Noticed Byzantium got its ass kicked by Karaman, forced to release Morea, proceed to blitz Byzantium with my cog + knights and annex. Procced to tech up like crazy, invade Mamluks to grab Alexandria and Judea, then Syria, then vassalize the shit out of Asia Minor, then vassalized the shit out of the Balkans (and most of Eastern Europe I might add). Founded the Catholic League. Members of the Catholic League: Teh Knights (ofc) Aquileia (they grabbed so many random colonies after I vassalized them. I think they have a decent chunk of South America too. True bros, have 20+ regiment armies and a fleet that pretty much singlehandedly sunk France's) Byzantium (they came back in that small territory in the Crimea, I proceeded to sell them Athens and then mass Greek rebels defect all the shit back to them (not Constantinople though, that shit is MINE) Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Ragusa, Croatia, Hungary (a split two-province), Transylvania, Morea, Crete. Cyprus has been left alone because they are Catholic bros but mostly because I'm too damn lazy. On the Eastern side... Karaman, Mentese, Dulkadir, Ramazan, Iraq, Mamluks, some piece of crap in Arabia, a bunch of those random nations in the Caucasus, Rajputana. I'm missing some, I know it. Oh right, and three random French vassals that I created after humiliating the French cavalry with Caroline infantry. Shock infantry are overpowered. Seriously though, nothing is as satisfying as crushing an enemy army, then letting your flock of vassals take all their shit for you while you chase rebels around the map. Or in one case, watching one of your armies get crushed by a cavalry charge, in danger of annihilation, only to watch Aquileia's 20 stack cavalry army stomp the shit out of the French cavalry. I do wish they would help kill the fucking rebels though, war exhaustion in Asia is AWFUL. pictures: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1Pnix.jpg) Catholic League, Europe ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3lC2C.jpg) Catholic League, Arabia ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oRqzQ.jpg) Random colonies in South Africa ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kEPfe.jpg) Catholic India (a few provinces still in middle of converting) | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Either way, I just played some as Brandenburg, and when I became emperor I got one of those 'imperial liberation'. After the war was over I grabbed a couple of provinves for myself and they somehow instantly became cores for me. Does anyone know how that works? Seems completely random because when I did it again against another country I got nothing. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 28 2011 02:05 Euronyme wrote: What the heck is cathloic league? Is that actually a thing? :p Either way, I just played some as Brandenburg, and when I became emperor I got one of those 'imperial liberation'. After the war was over I grabbed a couple of provinves for myself and they somehow instantly became cores for me. Does anyone know how that works? Seems completely random because when I did it again against another country I got nothing. totally made it up to justify my obscene numbers of vassals when you have imperial liberation if a country outside of the HRE takes territory and you make them give it up, you get the territory (as you are EMPRAH) and get a core on it (as it is HRE territory) | ||
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unsmart
United States322 Posts
So everything seems to be going fine, my first somewhat successful game. I mean it's 1550 and I'm still alive and not bankrupt! Then who decides to fuck over the Irish? England of course! I think I may have to hand over Munster to them to get peace. General plan now is to build up an army over time to take back Munster and liberate the isle to create an Irish nation. Maybe take over England, leave them as vassals in the poor farm land areas and keep the rich lands for myself. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On September 28 2011 02:14 Caller wrote: totally made it up to justify my obscene numbers of vassals when you have imperial liberation if a country outside of the HRE takes territory and you make them give it up, you get the territory (as you are EMPRAH) and get a core on it (as it is HRE territory) Oh wow.. That's awesome. What about the imperial ban thing. Is it the same thing there? Thanks for the quick reply! ♥ Edit: Would you happen to know if this would also be the case if the emperor was not a part of the empire? Edit2: You seem to be a smart guy. What do you do when you get a CB to conquere a capital? I really like to follow my missions, but this one got me wondering.. "Although it is not wise to take all of Pommerania at this time, we shall insure that none forgets our right to some of it" or something along those lines. They clearly intend you to only capture a part of it, but that happens to be the capital, so you friggin can't.. This is especially painful when you're up against lombardia because you can't even annex the whole thing, so you've got to take piece after piece while stacking up that infamy T_T | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 28 2011 02:39 Euronyme wrote: Oh wow.. That's awesome. What about the imperial ban thing. Is it the same thing there? Thanks for the quick reply! ♥ Edit: Would you happen to know if this would also be the case if the emperor was not a part of the empire? Edit2: You seem to be a smart guy. What do you do when you get a CB to conquere a capital? I really like to follow my missions, but this one got me wondering.. "Although it is not wise to take all of Pommerania at this time, we shall insure that none forgets our right to some of it" or something along those lines. They clearly intend you to only capture a part of it, but that happens to be the capital, so you friggin can't.. This is especially painful when you're up against lombardia because you can't even annex the whole thing, so you've got to take piece after piece while stacking up that infamy T_T its conquest a) I don't know this, i tend not to play hre nations because the OPMs are all protected. i like playing nations like knights or pskov or sardinia or some other poor opm outside of the hre that tends to get clusterfucked in the first 5 minutes. b) if you get a cb to conquer a capital you have several options. The obvious one is to just annex them outright, but then you get hit for 4 infamy for the other provinces with your Conquest cb. A second method is to nibble away at them. Ideally, if the nation has any releasable nations, try and grab those provinces the first time (until they're down to their capital + 3) and then release the nations for -2 infamy each. So you whittle them down for 2bb a province and you get free vassals until you can annex it entirely. If the capital (as it is this case) is one of your cores, you can annex the entire damn thing for 2bb if I recall correctly. In the case of italy because there are like 5000 different natiosn with cores you can do this pretty easily. | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
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BeaSteR
Sweden328 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:21 Holykitty wrote: diploannexing is free of BB penalties and if you are a small country stab hits are np. mixing up the methods to keep your infamy low is the quickest way to expand. obviously cores are still important he's talking about a mission where if he vassalizes he will most certainly fail and not get the core I don't like diploannexing because even though you get only 1bb hit per province it's still a huge pain in the ass because you always get the shit grain provinces that just stack up to your tech costs and lower your military tradition. It's easier just to abuse holy war (like I did), swap to Absolute Monarchy/Republic Dictatorship (like I did ) for the Imperialism free cb. I managed to Holy War my way across the entire damn Arabian pennisula and into India before Counter Reformation wore off and I had to resort to the 2bb (vs. 1bb for holy war) per province of Imperialism. The only thing is that Imperialism doesn't help with forming lots of vassals (like I did) as its 3bb for vassalization, but if you annex a lot of problems you can release them as vassals, lose a shitton of bb (2bb per province, so with imperialism its basically free vassals) and if you can get some really small but powerful nations as vassals (in my case, Aquileia (who has a stronger navy, army, and more colonies than Portugal) as well as Byzantium (keeps the entire eastern Mediterranean on lockdown)) or even just a clusterfuck of them (like the entire Balkans region) you can have them take territories for you while your main army goes to find the enemy main army to crush them. And since I started off relatively small, I hit 100% military tradition super fast, got army reformers and sergeant majors for land tech/more military tradition, and now routinely have 80% military tradition in peacetime (which is lulz). This routinely gives me 6/6/4/2 and the like generals, and even my shit 3/5/4 rulers turn into 5/5/3/1 generals. That way he dies while storming a level 4 fort AND I take the fort down. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 28 2011 03:29 BeaSteR wrote: I'm currently playing a game as Minamoto in Divine Wind. Looking to westernize, currently 1550 but just need to be next to someone 25 levels ahead of me. Colonizing siberia, islands in indonesia and australia and have taken the gold provinces from inca and aztek why would you do that you should just keep warring them until they run out of ducats, THEN you annex them. This sounds just like my Fujiwara game though. I sold a colony near Makassar to Portugal in order to Westernize. | ||
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cellblock
Sweden206 Posts
 Golden Horde is also my neigbhour so Im at war with them aswell. ![[image loading]](http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/de8e765b_swedeneu3.png) Anyone played with Sweden that can confirm trading is impossible with them? I even had my own COT in Stockholm but barely earned anything from it. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On September 28 2011 05:18 cellblock wrote: Im playing as Sweden in 1462 and Ive taken Denmark, Iceland, Norway and most of Novgorod. I allied with Hansa and teared it up. But now I got a infamy of 63, and Norwegian/Russian rebels spawn everywhere, lol. Various small shit countries declare on me all the time now. Even if I beat them I cant gain anything from it, because annexing or getting tributes will raise my infamy even more. I think my country is gonna collapse soon because I got dishonorable scum reputation Golden Horde is also my neigbhour so Im at war with them aswell. Anyone played with Sweden that can confirm trading is impossible with them? I even had my own COT in Stockholm but barely earned anything from it. Infamy murders your trade capabilities. I think 1 infamy = 10% less compete chance or something along those lines. I'm not sure if that's for your own CoTs though. Either way you should really not have that much infamy.. You can conquer Europe without going past 20 or so pretty easily. Never declare war without a casus belli that grants you the possibility to take some provinces for decreased infamy. | ||
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