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On July 07 2011 13:51 Sufficiency wrote:
FF7, everyone was pretty similar except for the limitbreaks.. Which iirc was Tifa/Cloud > rest (well Vincent was good somewhere in the middle but sucks in the End... And has an anoying ultimate weapon to "make strong").
Well the deciding factor in ff7 for characters were 100% just personal choice, only limit break that is actually useful at top level is Omnislash otherwise you're spamming knights of the round. I used Cloud, Red XII and Tifa always purely because they are my favourite 3 characters!
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On July 10 2011 03:00 IntoTheWow wrote:
I love Vivi and Steiner. Amarant is good. I hate Zidane.
Oops meant to edit this in above.
Yeah, 9 could of been so much better if the main character wasn't so annoying. Much like 8.
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I just finished FF8.
My goodness what a let down.
I had only played FF7 and FF9 in my younger years, and I loved them, but I wasn't sure if it was just because they were great games with a great story or if I was just being a sheep and only had played a handful of RPG games. For that reason I gave FF8 a whirl.
I had only ever played it at a friends house when I was there, so not very often. I remember that we did the first disc at least. That was my problem.
Whenever people bashed FF8 I would always say "Well, it was pretty good from what I had played". Then I played Disc 2 and 3. My. Goodness. The game turns from a pretty interesting grass-roots resistance group that you're a mercenary for into a cheesy, completely out of character love story that is predictable and completely fucking dumb. The twists are absurd and the entire concept of Ultimecia is horrid.
Ugh, I didn't enjoy one second after Disc 1. At least Triple Triad is fucking awesome.
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On July 10 2011 03:00 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 02:43 Monokeros wrote:
The best part is all of the plusses you mentioned IntotheWoW are in FFIX and then some, they took all the good "flavor touches" of VIII and then amped them up and made them all a part of the story. Now looking back I prefer the FF's with the more "active" combat system (which is because of dissidia haha) Well don't get me wrong, I like FFIX a lot. But I think the combat system is itself (not the balance) is pretty boring. Like, it's way more balanced than 8, but less attractive. Characters have their up and downs and though I love the atmosphere in it FF9 I feel a lot of things are way more cliche (design wise). I love Vivi and Steiner. Amarant is good. I hate Zidane. Something I forgot to mention is that I could never find a rom hack for FF8 (like there is for FF7). I think there's one for 9, there's one for Tactics too. I just wish there was one for FF8 that made it harder.
why you hating on Zidane that guys probably one of the best characters because he gets fed the most bullshit and then snaps back to his original self pretty easily, as apposed to most of the main characters who take THE WHOLE GAME to develop into a decent personality, he starts off amazing and holds it for almost the whole thing.
I mean finding out you were created just to "kill" everyone that you'd grown to know and love and not take some kind of emotional blow from that is pretty much impossible imo.
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Agree, Zidane is probably my favourite character in any game. FF IX is my favourite game of all time aswell!
I didn't like FF VIII at all, not quite sure why. FF VI is a very close second behind FF IX, and FF VII was pretty good. I did get a little disappointed by FF VII tho.
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Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves.
Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving.
+ Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person 
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On July 10 2011 19:19 SgtCoDFish wrote:Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves. Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving. + Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person
ahahahahahhaahha
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On July 10 2011 19:19 SgtCoDFish wrote:Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves. Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving. + Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person
I've totally gotta remember to just NOT equip Yang with anything... I haven't played IV through and therefore dunno when he dies  ... IV Did have a thing about killing off characters, didnt it?
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On July 10 2011 19:19 SgtCoDFish wrote:Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves. Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving. + Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person
Most of his items cannot be equipped on other characters anyways. Gil is not a big problem in this game because Rosa = unlimited mana, which translates into unlimited heal... therefore at this stage you don't even need to buy potions.
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My favorite is FFVII but I think FFXIII is underrated. Not standard enough for teh good ole fanboy is one of the reasons IMO.
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On July 11 2011 15:03 TurkeyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 19:19 SgtCoDFish wrote:Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves. Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving. + Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person I've totally gotta remember to just NOT equip Yang with anything... I haven't played IV through and therefore dunno when he dies ... IV Did have a thing about killing off characters, didnt it?
I literally finished FFIV last night. (Cecil so coool)
But yeah, it really did have a character-killing fetish or something. Like right after Yang died Cid jumped into the hole and exploded.
In fact, when Kain said "everyone chooses death too quickly," I was like "UH HUH, YOU SAID IT." haha
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I'm still trying to beat FF3 DS. I'm at the end where you need to defeat Xandes and go into the world of Darkness, but I keep getting killed by one of the dark crystals or whatever they're called. I've killed Xande over and over again about 8 times because you can't do an actual save in the world of darkness.....
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On July 12 2011 09:02 NationInArms wrote:
I'm still trying to beat FF3 DS. I'm at the end where you need to defeat Xandes and go into the world of Darkness, but I keep getting killed by one of the dark crystals or whatever they're called. I've killed Xande over and over again about 8 times because you can't do an actual save in the world of darkness.....
Ah yes...FF3 DS. I remember fighting through the World of Darkness for about 2 hours the first time around and reaching the Cloud of Darkness. I got pretty mad when she one-shotted my entire party. WTF? Something had to be wrong so I checked a walkthrough. Apparently, I was underleveled by about 15 levels according to the recommendations. I wasted about 2 hours climbing through the World of Darkness fighting Ahriman and the like, then I had to grind for another 3 just to make sure I can survive the Cloud of Darkness's Particle Beam.
I'll be honest. I ranked FF3 as my lowest rated FF mainly because I just don't find it too appealing and plain forgettable. All I can remember is the Cloud of Darkness's boss theme at the end is soooooo badass.
Currently, I've been playing FF1&2: Dawn of Souls. Yeah, it feels like easy mode. MP instead of spellcharges. Save anywhere. Although I can understand the reasoning for saving anywhere for a game on a handheld system.
FF1 first. I felt the game was easy with saving even in dungeons and stuff. Chaos was too easy but that was mainly a product of me being somewhere overleveled by the end of the game. It's no fault of me grinding or anything, but you build a lot of levels fighting everything and getting lost every once in a while. Despite the constant battles, I didn't mind it and enjoyed the game overall.
As for FF2, which I'm currently playing. It's just frustrating. Too much back and forth in the early game going to and from Altair. I don't particularly like this level up mechanic where you have to level up your skills, your magic, etc. I need to stop giving good armor to my 4th party member. They keep leaving with my good stuff. I'm kinda mixed on this revolving cast of a 4th member. I mean it's good to have variety and I had no problem with using the 4th character. They're all good, but I just hate them leaving with my stuff. I could probably go back a save and just take it back, but I decided to move forward instead.
I'm currently at the Mysidian Tower and it's just annoying. I'm about on the 3rd or 4th floor and I think I've run through my supply of 99 hi-potions. Does flee work at all? I'm wondering. I've had almost no success running from battles. I'd like to run from what I know are bad matchups, but whenever I find imps in the tower, my party is confused and basically dead. Despite my frustrations with FF2, I still like it better than FF3. The story is definitely better than FF2.
I'll keep moving along. With the finishing of FF2, I can finally say that I finished the first 10 FF games.
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Such a bummer FFT isn't even included in the poll, that makes me really sad as its one of the best games made.
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On July 11 2011 15:18 jeeeeohn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 15:03 TurkeyKnight wrote:On July 10 2011 19:19 SgtCoDFish wrote:Playing through FFIV on DS, just got to the point where Yang sacrifices himself to save the Dwarves. Cutscene ensues, I feel genuinely sad at his sacrifice. Gotta applaud Square-Enix for the storyline, it's actually pretty moving. + Show Spoiler +Then after I finish thinking about Yang's sacrifice, I realise he still had shit equipped when he died so I immediately restarted and stripped him of his gear to sell it, and watched him die again. I'm a terrible person I've totally gotta remember to just NOT equip Yang with anything... I haven't played IV through and therefore dunno when he dies ... IV Did have a thing about killing off characters, didnt it? I literally finished FFIV last night. (Cecil so coool) But yeah, it really did have a character-killing fetish or something. Like right after Yang died Cid jumped into the hole and exploded. In fact, when Kain said "everyone chooses death too quickly," I was like "UH HUH, YOU SAID IT." haha
FF4 spoiler:+ Show Spoiler +Funny thing is, Yang doesn't die
If any FF game had a character killing fetish, it was FF2
+ Show Spoiler +Scott, Minwu, Josef, the King, wyvern, Richard, the emperor all die wtf (Leon + Leila seemingly die as well)
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Another question about FF7 to people who played it through without grinding i.e. fighting all random battles/sidequests but without grinding at one particular area:
I'm at the Junon Underwater Reactor and STILL don't have any level 2 limit breaks. I've done most of the sidequests and all of the mainquests, never ran away from a battle, but never grinded. The walkthrough says I'm doing something wrong if I don't have level 2 limit breaks. Where was I supposed to grind? I must have messed up bad
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On July 13 2011 11:23 zeOllie wrote:Another question about FF7 to people who played it through without grinding i.e. fighting all random battles/sidequests but without grinding at one particular area: I'm at the Junon Underwater Reactor and STILL don't have any level 2 limit breaks. I've done most of the sidequests and all of the mainquests, never ran away from a battle, but never grinded. The walkthrough says I'm doing something wrong if I don't have level 2 limit breaks. Where was I supposed to grind? I must have messed up bad
What I remember is that you have to use the first Level 1 Limit Break a certain number of times to get the second Level 1 Limit Break, then you have to get a certain number of kills with that character to get the Level 2 Limit Break and the cycle repeats for the most part with 2-1, 2-2, and so on. I remember having this problem the first time I played FF7. I think you have to get the kills with the second limit break assigned, but not necessarily used.
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Now, that I've blazed through the Dawn of Souls version of FF1 and FF2. I can finally give some criticisms about the games and particularly comparing them.
For FF1, it goes without saying that the game is pretty simple, easy to pick up and play. It didn't have much of a story, but the adventuring was good. The numerous battles didn't frustrate me. I enjoyed it for the most part. Like I stated prior, the game was easy by the end, but mainly was a product of my getting lost and having to fight more battles than necessary and consequently becoming overleveled.
As for FF2, I feel that I need to put a lot of what I saw into spoilers, but I'll mention what I can without spoilers first. Whereas I found FF1 to be easy, FF2 was just hard. Again, I found the skill leveling to be tedious and annoying. Frankly, I just left Firion, Maria, and Guy for the most part with whatever weapon skill they started up with and upgrading their weapons whenever I got something better. Upgrading necessary magic skills is similar and goes without saying. Having to use Cure, Protect, Shell, etc. in battles that don't necessarily need them sometimes just to level them is annoying and just prolongs battles because you know that you need these skills further down the road. I don't know if there is some calcuation or whatever but does Flee work at all? I've only gotten it to work twice out of however many times I tried to run from a battle.
+ Show Spoiler [FF2 Spoiler] +I understand the need for a 4th character, but the rotating cast makes it so annoying whenever you need that person to have at least some magic skills to aid the party and it's just more grinding to adequately get them to a level where their spells are decent. The cycling of players is annoying and seems to come when you least expect it.
Getting to the later game and the many long dungeons/towers (i.e. Mysidian Tower, Castle Palamecia, Jade Passage, Pandaemonium), did they expect you to pass these dungeons without saving constantly in the GBA version? Some of the battles were very troublesome to say the least. Just get one wrong set of monsters that ambush you and do status effects on your party and it's GG.
The game has more of a story than FF1, but for all the deeds the Emperor did in the game, it just felt lacking for some reason. He's pretty hard at the end of the game without using the Blood Sword. I tried multiple times to beat him without it, but gave up because the battle was just getting too long.
A lot of the supporting characters just angered me. The Cid in this game felt like a jerk. Don't get me started with Hilda. It's a lot of doing her stupid orders in the beginning of the game, then at the end of the game, she basically says "thank you" and "farewell". That's it? And why is Josef's daughter going to serve that stupid queen anyway?
Overall, I found FF2 inferior to FF1. I have no idea how I would compare it to FF3. FF3 was just not memorable to me and I ranked it at the bottom of my list. Like I said in a prior post, the only thing I remember from that game was the badass Cloud of Darkness music. I will replay it eventually. Maybe I'll just play it next and continue playing the games sequentially.
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On July 12 2011 10:18 TealLurker wrote:
I'll be honest. I ranked FF3 as my lowest rated FF mainly because I just don't find it too appealing and plain forgettable. All I can remember is the Cloud of Darkness's boss theme at the end is soooooo badass.
Play FF3 on a translated NES ROM. Soooo much better than the DS version. There's a lot less grinding. I tried playing FF3DS and I was like, wtf, why are my guys so stupidly weak... I have to grind class levels?!
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On July 13 2011 11:23 zeOllie wrote:Another question about FF7 to people who played it through without grinding i.e. fighting all random battles/sidequests but without grinding at one particular area: I'm at the Junon Underwater Reactor and STILL don't have any level 2 limit breaks. I've done most of the sidequests and all of the mainquests, never ran away from a battle, but never grinded. The walkthrough says I'm doing something wrong if I don't have level 2 limit breaks. Where was I supposed to grind? I must have messed up bad
You just have to kill enemies with that character. For example, say you needed 80 kills for Cloud's Blade Beam. Kill 80 enemies with Cloud (so he does the finishing blow.)
I mentioned, earlier I just like to use attack rather than waste my MP, so I spent a lot grinding generally. Making sure I get a couple levels here and there, so I can deal with normal enemies with ease and only use special moves on the bosses.
A place I definitely grinded WAY too much was probably right after Kalm. The normal way to get past the Midgar Zolom was via a chocobo, but I liked to kill it to walk past. You just had to have around 1kish health to survive, or someone that had junctioned Fire to their armour to survive the Beta Enemy Skill. But grinding to get there was hella time consuming, although I was happy to do it.
Also you don't need to get the 2nd limit break of each level to go up a Limit Level. Although I believe you need all of them to unlock your level 4.
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