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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
April 19 2013 07:43 GMT
#5761
One thing I've learned is that, even if you're playing a character that is good at rushing down or "should" go nuts (like Makoto, for example), it's 100% smart to take your time at first and feel out your opponent. Play patient, make some pokes or give some space, and wait for the opportune moment to open them up, rather than feeling OBLIGATED to get in there as soon as possible. Then once you have the advantage with a knockdown or something for example, maintain the pressure and start being aggressive. Depending on your opponent and their character, trying too hard to open them up is going to be frustratingly obvious.
buMf00d
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands194 Posts
April 19 2013 07:58 GMT
#5762
I'm taking on a challenge. I have three weeks until the next tournament in my country and in this time I will learn a new character. This character has been chosen at random by a friend of mine and it is Guile. I've been playing semi-casually for the past year and a half with Zangief (going to a lot of tournaments including World Game Cup) and I've hit a slump. The game is not fun for me anymore so I hope I'll get some more motivation if I am forced to learn a new character. Let the training begin
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12247 Posts
April 19 2013 08:13 GMT
#5763
"The game is not fun for me anymore" and now you're playing Guile?

I can see how playing Gief would make things end up super boring for you since every character has to play keepaway, I played Gief for a long time and found the same. Then I switched to Sakura and the game is all about frametraps, fundamentals, execution, a lot more possibilities. You might also want to pick an execution-based character like Viper or Hakan, someone who can take a while to really figure out.
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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
April 19 2013 10:19 GMT
#5764
On April 19 2013 02:06 Noocta wrote:
600 hours on the game, over 1000 ranked games played, been like 4 months.
Stuck between 500 et 1000 PP pretty much.

Result is far from glorious. I feel stuck.
Mhhh

Get your ass out of ranked! No seriously, ranked is poison to getting better. Playing random dudes only once who may be either way better or worse than you? Not gonna learn efficiently. Play endless and you will be able to learn matchups, because you dont just lose to one char and then you move on the next. Plus you will play a lot more against players of your own skill level, because players way better than you will mostly leave after a few games and players way worse - you leave or kick them.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
buMf00d
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands194 Posts
April 19 2013 11:43 GMT
#5765
On April 19 2013 17:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
"The game is not fun for me anymore" and now you're playing Guile?

I can see how playing Gief would make things end up super boring for you since every character has to play keepaway, I played Gief for a long time and found the same. Then I switched to Sakura and the game is all about frametraps, fundamentals, execution, a lot more possibilities. You might also want to pick an execution-based character like Viper or Hakan, someone who can take a while to really figure out.


I'm trying to make the game fun for myself by forcing myself to play a different character, something which I have never done before :p
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 12:52:24
April 19 2013 12:51 GMT
#5766
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
April 19 2013 12:57 GMT
#5767
On April 19 2013 21:51 ain wrote:
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.

As a newcomer, this is something that I'm trying to do. It is just that I like Juri and Rose maybe a bit to much
EZ4ENCE
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 13:16:56
April 19 2013 13:11 GMT
#5768
On April 19 2013 21:57 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 21:51 ain wrote:
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.

As a newcomer, this is something that I'm trying to do. It is just that I like Juri and Rose maybe a bit to much

Then you have no reason to explore other characters. I personally started playing with El Fuerte and enjoyed it thoroughly, partly because I love the character, partly because he's fun to play, partly because I didn't know how much effort it took to play him as effectively as other characters. I didn't switch characters for a long time.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
April 19 2013 13:17 GMT
#5769
If the game's not fun for you anymore, you could always try out other fighters. SF4 isn't the only game out there. I'm always willing to teach. *whimpers and crawls back into his anime hole*

On April 19 2013 21:57 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 21:51 ain wrote:
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.

As a newcomer, this is something that I'm trying to do. It is just that I like Juri and Rose maybe a bit to much


I have an unnatural love for Juri as well. My character roadmap in this game is crazy. Played Chun in 3S so started off with her, then moved to Rose, then Juri, but now I've found Sakura to be the character who's most rewarding of my mindgames. Rose is an exceptionally good beginner character though, probably one of the top 3 characters I'd recommend to someone just starting out. You should definitely stick with her if that playstyle suits you and just learn matchups.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
April 19 2013 14:24 GMT
#5770
On April 19 2013 19:19 diehilde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 02:06 Noocta wrote:
600 hours on the game, over 1000 ranked games played, been like 4 months.
Stuck between 500 et 1000 PP pretty much.

Result is far from glorious. I feel stuck.
Mhhh

Get your ass out of ranked! No seriously, ranked is poison to getting better. Playing random dudes only once who may be either way better or worse than you? Not gonna learn efficiently. Play endless and you will be able to learn matchups, because you dont just lose to one char and then you move on the next. Plus you will play a lot more against players of your own skill level, because players way better than you will mostly leave after a few games and players way worse - you leave or kick them.

You know what, I've never done this either... other than playing with friends. You've motivated me to find some lobbies tonight! Hopefully PC isn't desolate though =/
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 14:32:27
April 19 2013 14:29 GMT
#5771
I play a lot of endless with friends. And I have some very dedicated ones. Once played a whole afternoon against a very good Dudley friend who won 46 games in a row against me, and he was still agreeing to keep going.

On the other hand, I do play very carefully already. For instance I mostly take example to someone like Shiro instead of Haitani for my Makoto play, and Shiro is so patient sometimes people call him boring. Relying on normals and basic punishs is kinda acquired.

But it's really saddening when you kinda feel good after a good period of endless against greater players than you are, and you end up losing a shit ton to random shoto characters in ranked. D:
I don't know what I'm really missing to just tilt and get better. As I said earlier, people call me too predictable, but I don't know how to work on that.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
April 19 2013 14:37 GMT
#5772
On April 19 2013 23:29 Noocta wrote:
I play a lot of endless with friends. And I have some very dedicated ones. Once played a whole afternoon against a very good Dudley friend who won 46 games in a row against me, and he was still agreeing to keep going.

On the other hand, I do play very carefully already. For instance I mostly take example to someone like Shiro instead of Haitani for my Makoto play, and Shiro is so patient sometimes people call him boring. Relying on normals and basic punishs is kinda acquired.

But it's really saddening when you kinda feel good after a good period of endless against greater players than you are, and you end up losing a shit ton to random shoto characters in ranked. D:
I don't know what I'm really missing to just tilt and get better. As I said earlier, people call me too predictable, but I don't know how to work on that.

Well that's a whole 'nother issue that we all suffer
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 19 2013 14:43 GMT
#5773
On April 19 2013 23:37 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 23:29 Noocta wrote:
I play a lot of endless with friends. And I have some very dedicated ones. Once played a whole afternoon against a very good Dudley friend who won 46 games in a row against me, and he was still agreeing to keep going.

On the other hand, I do play very carefully already. For instance I mostly take example to someone like Shiro instead of Haitani for my Makoto play, and Shiro is so patient sometimes people call him boring. Relying on normals and basic punishs is kinda acquired.

But it's really saddening when you kinda feel good after a good period of endless against greater players than you are, and you end up losing a shit ton to random shoto characters in ranked. D:
I don't know what I'm really missing to just tilt and get better. As I said earlier, people call me too predictable, but I don't know how to work on that.

Well that's a whole 'nother issue that we all suffer


It makes me feel terrible about myself tho. D:
I'm so afraid of Ken and Blanka players it's becoming mental.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
April 19 2013 14:49 GMT
#5774
On April 19 2013 23:24 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 19:19 diehilde wrote:
On April 19 2013 02:06 Noocta wrote:
600 hours on the game, over 1000 ranked games played, been like 4 months.
Stuck between 500 et 1000 PP pretty much.

Result is far from glorious. I feel stuck.
Mhhh

Get your ass out of ranked! No seriously, ranked is poison to getting better. Playing random dudes only once who may be either way better or worse than you? Not gonna learn efficiently. Play endless and you will be able to learn matchups, because you dont just lose to one char and then you move on the next. Plus you will play a lot more against players of your own skill level, because players way better than you will mostly leave after a few games and players way worse - you leave or kick them.

You know what, I've never done this either... other than playing with friends. You've motivated me to find some lobbies tonight! Hopefully PC isn't desolate though =/


You're in France and on PC? Add me, I'm Aylear. I'll play Gen or Viper vs you. No idea about our respective skill levels, but if you're looking for endless and it turns out we're reasonably even in skill, we can play for a while.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
April 19 2013 15:08 GMT
#5775
On April 19 2013 23:43 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 23:37 Duka08 wrote:
On April 19 2013 23:29 Noocta wrote:
I play a lot of endless with friends. And I have some very dedicated ones. Once played a whole afternoon against a very good Dudley friend who won 46 games in a row against me, and he was still agreeing to keep going.

On the other hand, I do play very carefully already. For instance I mostly take example to someone like Shiro instead of Haitani for my Makoto play, and Shiro is so patient sometimes people call him boring. Relying on normals and basic punishs is kinda acquired.

But it's really saddening when you kinda feel good after a good period of endless against greater players than you are, and you end up losing a shit ton to random shoto characters in ranked. D:
I don't know what I'm really missing to just tilt and get better. As I said earlier, people call me too predictable, but I don't know how to work on that.

Well that's a whole 'nother issue that we all suffer


It makes me feel terrible about myself tho. D:
I'm so afraid of Ken and Blanka players it's becoming mental.

Yeah I have those days pretty often. Then I have days where I end up joining their game 4-5 times in a row, or asking to run it back in endless, and eventually you download that shit and fuck them up!
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
April 19 2013 15:12 GMT
#5776
On April 19 2013 22:11 ain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 21:57 WindWolf wrote:
On April 19 2013 21:51 ain wrote:
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.

As a newcomer, this is something that I'm trying to do. It is just that I like Juri and Rose maybe a bit to much

Then you have no reason to explore other characters.

Ok, but personally I want to try out other characters as well. Just in case I miss something.

On April 19 2013 22:17 Cel.erity wrote:
If the game's not fun for you anymore, you could always try out other fighters. SF4 isn't the only game out there. I'm always willing to teach. *whimpers and crawls back into his anime hole*

Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 21:57 WindWolf wrote:
On April 19 2013 21:51 ain wrote:
The beauty of this game is that every matchup is a game of its own, each having very different rules. You should definitely explore other characters to see whose game you like best.

As a newcomer, this is something that I'm trying to do. It is just that I like Juri and Rose maybe a bit to much


I have an unnatural love for Juri as well. My character roadmap in this game is crazy. Played Chun in 3S so started off with her, then moved to Rose, then Juri, but now I've found Sakura to be the character who's most rewarding of my mindgames. Rose is an exceptionally good beginner character though, probably one of the top 3 characters I'd recommend to someone just starting out. You should definitely stick with her if that playstyle suits you and just learn matchups.

Fun fact: The reason why I gave Rose a chance was because I saw a pretty sick Guile-Rose pro-match before I bought the game. And when I bought the game, I still liked her and gave her a chance. However, I need to improve when to use Soul Reflects
When I first touched the game 2 weeks ago (during a mini game conference/expo), I somehow chose Juri and I liked her. Played her for the rest of that weekend and I still like it.

___

I'm playing on PC, if anyone want to play with a noob I'm WindWolf2 on GFWL (If you have the game on Steam, add me there as well)
__

Personally, I laughed when this happened to me.
EZ4ENCE
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 16:02:02
April 19 2013 15:55 GMT
#5777
I'm chobo tier, I'll play with you I think I'm NTRYou on pc.

Edit: Says you haven't set up your steam community profile. Get on that!
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
April 19 2013 16:05 GMT
#5778
On April 20 2013 00:55 Risen wrote:...I think I'm NTRYou on pc.


Not gonna lie, this made my day.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 16:27:43
April 19 2013 16:24 GMT
#5779
On April 20 2013 00:55 Risen wrote:
Edit: Says you haven't set up your steam community profile. Get on that!

Eh, I've done that. My profile status is set to public. The only thing that I've set to private is my inventory
Edit: The only thing I can think is that the latest friend that I added on steam (via giving him a Dota2 invite via email) doesn't have a community profile
EZ4ENCE
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 16:28:40
April 19 2013 16:26 GMT
#5780
On April 20 2013 01:05 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 00:55 Risen wrote:...I think I'm NTRYou on pc.


Not gonna lie, this made my day.


I wish I could take credit for what I have just found on google, but I can't. Gives a lot of my online hate messages new meaning. The name started off when I went to The Runback last summer and played as NTRChesskid, which was shortened from what I had initially wanted to be called (Not the real chesskid, a shoutout to a chess stream I watch). Told Soniti I'd play as NTR Soniti to confuse people at Evo (ended up having to work, though). So I just took NTRYou as my online name for SF4 when I picked it up.

I think I like the implications with what I just found out more, though. Hahahaha, oh man that's glorious.

Edit: "This user has not yet set up their Steam Community profile.
If you know them encourage him/her to set up their profile and join in on the gaming!"

Just got it again :S I added you in the sf4 game via GFWL, though.

Double Edit: You could try adding me on steam. I'm Spellsnare, atm.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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