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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 12 2011 18:11 GMT
#221
On June 12 2011 18:55 Demoninja wrote:
I'm starting to switch over to the line of thought that Yun/Yang/Fei are only as broken as the player playing them seeing how not a lot of players are doing well with them despite their amazing tool set. The only thing I disagree with is the gif and the idea you have that Yun and Yang takes execution.


If there are thousands of players not doing well despite their amazing toolset then to me it means that nobody is executing the twins correctly which means they take execution to properly use.

On June 12 2011 18:56 Sedz wrote:
Why would you say Phoenix should be banned and then not mention Wolverine?

Any ways, AE is still very young so no real tier list can be established just yet. I am pretty sad however that it is a common thought that Ryu is considered to be very bad and most comp. Ryu players have switched.

I also want to mention that Yun and Yang are fairly easy to play, but you actually need to know what you're doing with Fei Long.


Because Phoenix doesn't require team composition to be as useful as she is by herself. Wolverine needs an assist and button execution depending on spacing and where you are relative to the opponent. Phoenix requires sjb, throw tracking fireballs so taht nobody can actually touch you with a melee attack, then teleport mixup since teleporting is 50/50 ground/air meaning a high low mixup occurs instantly. Wolverine isn't rewarded by the fact he loses both of his absolutely irrelevant team.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 18:27:24
June 12 2011 18:23 GMT
#222
i saw daigo playing yun and i was a little sad inside. i think that yun/yang is fine right now and they'll get solved eventually. or at least people will learn the matchup better. i dislike people picking the twins personally. even though it's more exciting seeing a rushdown based character i still would rather see more diversity.

speaking of rushdown characters, my god watching seth is so fun. i could watch seth for days and never get sick of his mixups and all his tools.

what a great matchup to watch


also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha.
atrocity3010
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
70 Posts
June 12 2011 19:15 GMT
#223
On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha.


Yeah, this is what worries me about online play. I'm probably one of the few people playing SF4 who has never seriously touched a fighting game in his life. I've heard people say this game is noob-friendly, but that doesn't mean anything if online players consistently kick your ass all the time. Although this is actually speculation on my part (I don't play online, too afraid to and my execution still blows after having the game for a month), I have a feeling it's still true.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 19:24:29
June 12 2011 19:18 GMT
#224
On June 13 2011 03:11 Zlasher wrote:
If there are thousands of players not doing well despite their amazing toolset then to me it means that nobody is executing playing the twins correctly which means they take execution skill to properly use.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 18:56 Sedz wrote:
Why would you say Phoenix should be banned and then not mention Wolverine?

Any ways, AE is still very young so no real tier list can be established just yet. I am pretty sad however that it is a common thought that Ryu is considered to be very bad and most comp. Ryu players have switched.

I also want to mention that Yun and Yang are fairly easy to play, but you actually need to know what you're doing with Fei Long.


Because Phoenix doesn't require team composition to be as useful as she is by herself. Wolverine needs an assist and button execution depending on spacing and where you are relative to the opponent. Phoenix requires sjb, throw tracking fireballs so taht nobody can actually touch you with a melee attack, then teleport mixup since teleporting is 50/50 ground/air meaning a high low mixup occurs instantly. Wolverine isn't rewarded by the fact he loses both of his absolutely irrelevant team.


no you're confusing execution with character knowledge/experience. execution is the players ability to land the harder hitting/difficult combos (keeping up mvc2 mags roms) or perform certain pressure strings/sequences (repeatable siesmo chains/ tk feints). execution is different than being able to effectively utilize and maximize a characters potential. why is it u hear ppl praising good viper/gen players for their "execution" but u don't hear the same thing for balrog/shotos who do equally as well.

and wolverine is stupid. he only needs 1 meter and/or xfactor. beserker slash is just retarded. how hard is it to qcb+atk O_o
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myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
June 12 2011 19:28 GMT
#225
I know this is the AE thread, but I must say, Phoenix is nowhere near broken. I still apply the same "get better and body" them vs. Phoenix, But I guess that's something I should elaborate on the MvC3 thread.

But a quick summary of my thoughts is that a phoenix player still gives up a reasonable amount of options (and give you a reasonable amount of options as well) just to get Dark Phoenix out. the better you learn to capitalize on it, You'll see, its not so bad
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
xerus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States16 Posts
June 12 2011 20:35 GMT
#226
On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha.


Online can be pretty rough, not only because of other players being good but because of the slight lag even with the best connections. Before I ever played online I played a lot of challenges and training mode, and went through Arcade mode on hardest a few times, and I was able to run over a lot of players until I hit the 3000pp mark.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 13 2011 00:28 GMT
#227
What name is Hsien Cheng playing under? Is he using the screenname Bionic Arm?

http://challonge.com/revlassf4ae
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
June 13 2011 02:12 GMT
#228
Mike Ross just eliminated Justin Wong from the AE tournament.

Holy. Shit.
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:46:06
June 13 2011 02:21 GMT
#229
On June 13 2011 09:28 Zlasher wrote:
What name is Hsien Cheng playing under? Is he using the screenname Bionic Arm?

http://challonge.com/revlassf4ae


Yep, fairly sure he is

Good games being played on both streams, hard to pick which to focus more attention on
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 03:08:10
June 13 2011 02:58 GMT
#230
Yeah, I'm super sleepy, lying on my bed and they are yelling and yelling. Tokido playing right now.

3-0 winner's final and the crowd is totally silent. Guess they just don't like him ^_^

On June 13 2011 11:21 TonyL2 wrote:
Good games being played on both streams, hard to pick which to focus more attention on

Really sucks, my internet can't handle both streams at the same time :/
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
June 13 2011 03:06 GMT
#231
Mago vs Wolfkrone was really tense in the end
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#232
Tokido wins CEO, Daigo won Revelations with Mago coming in 2nd. Japan up in that ass ):
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 13 2011 06:40 GMT
#233
Good shit from both Arturo and Mike Ross though. I honestly did not expect Art to make it past like, top 16 because of all the nerfs and the fact that he really wasn't playing all that good for what, the last 4 months now?

Imo SSF4's field of competition wasn't as great as Revelation.

and I BELIEVE IN MIKE ROSS
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 13 2011 06:52 GMT
#234
rose nerfs weren't that severe, she's still largely the same character and the way arturo controls space with her really makes the difference. there aren't many rose players like arturo sanchez

i'm actually still catching up on this weekend of tournaments, had to work all three days watching reveLAtions top8 right now, did art use rose or sim in CEO?
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 13 2011 07:20 GMT
#235
On June 13 2011 15:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
rose nerfs weren't that severe, she's still largely the same character and the way arturo controls space with her really makes the difference. there aren't many rose players like arturo sanchez

i'm actually still catching up on this weekend of tournaments, had to work all three days watching reveLAtions top8 right now, did art use rose or sim in CEO?


He used both of them against Tokido in both grand and winner's final.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
June 13 2011 07:28 GMT
#236
On June 13 2011 15:40 O-ops wrote:
Good shit from both Arturo and Mike Ross though. I honestly did not expect Art to make it past like, top 16 because of all the nerfs and the fact that he really wasn't playing all that good for what, the last 4 months now?

Imo SSF4's field of competition wasn't as great as Revelation.

and I BELIEVE IN MIKE ROSS


Who doesn't believe in Mike Ross? He's the president, final boss, my baby daddy....err my role model.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 13 2011 07:47 GMT
#237
Rose's biggest change is the 1 frame startup for U2 now, which just means its not a free move all the time. Gotta activate as like, anti air or activate and then get in there. Art played well, but Mike played really well, but just watching how his games went against the twin players I felt like it was a lack of 100% familiarity with the twins yet that caused them to not take advantage of punish situations that they would otherwise know with their super mains.

Character loyalty helped Mike this time but we'll see how that helps him when Wong and Marn have 6 more weeks.
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Fiercegore
Profile Joined July 2010
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 07:51:55
June 13 2011 07:48 GMT
#238
Question if anyone knows, I'm not sure where to ask this, but does anyone know what version Super Street fighter 4 3D (for the 3ds) is? Like is it SSF4 or is it the arcade edition? I'm guessing it's just SSF4, but also where do I find the patch notes from version to version?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/506893/1/Fiercegore/
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 13 2011 08:11 GMT
#239
It's vanilla SF4 I believe, thats on the handheld versions, and its also pretty garbage since there are stupid inputs like one button charge moves.
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Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 13 2011 08:27 GMT
#240
I think losing invincibility hurts Rose quite a bit as well since you can't really use it on wake up to put the brakes on someone.

@Fierce, the 3ds is just regular SSF4.
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