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On June 13 2011 16:47 Zlasher wrote:
Rose's biggest change is the 1 frame startup for U2 now, which just means its not a free move all the time. Gotta activate as like, anti air or activate and then get in there. Art played well, but Mike played really well, but just watching how his games went against the twin players I felt like it was a lack of 100% familiarity with the twins yet that caused them to not take advantage of punish situations that they would otherwise know with their super mains.
Character loyalty helped Mike this time but we'll see how that helps him when Wong and Marn have 6 more weeks.
I agree with Arturo on the point that Rose is overnerfed. Her U2 not being a free get off me move is not that horrendous. It's the fact that they nerfed her cr. mp and her meter gain that really brought her down a level. She needs meter to make her soul spiral safe and most of the time even connect. Add to that the dumb way they made her EX spirals invincibility(the invincibility frames end before the move hits), it makes her a worse character, but still good. I don't mind having to spend meter to make something invincible, but her does neither.
Still not as worse as Abel getting nerfs non stop since vanilla. He has always been mid/bottom-mid tier and yet he receives nerf after nerf.
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whoa whoa, abel is not bottom tier. he's high tier in Super, i dunno about AE but still definitely not bottom tier
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KSK switched to Makoto and isn't really doing well 
But he still has BB, AH3 and other fighting games, so that shouldn't matter too much.
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On June 13 2011 18:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
whoa whoa, abel is not bottom tier. he's high tier in Super, i dunno about AE but still definitely not bottom tier
Abel was high tier early in vanillas release, then people realized he is not actually that good. Same thing happened in Super with his new ultra thats matchup specific at best and people realized again he is not that good. Now in AE according to the japanese tier lists he is B/B+ and C in some lists. Abel is not a bad character, and i still play him in AE, but he is not as good as people make him out to be.
And i might have mistyped a bit, i never meant to say Abel is bottom tier, he's around mid tier.
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On June 13 2011 18:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
whoa whoa, abel is not bottom tier. he's high tier in Super, i dunno about AE but still definitely not bottom tier
Everyone likes to pretend they play a terrible character and only win because they're just so amazing. Just like everyone who plays a top character will tell you they do it because they totally feel the character's story.
Tier lists were clearly:
S Tier: Sagat/Twins
A Tier: Akuma, Ryu, Sentinel
Bottom Ass tier: Abel, Adon, Balrog, Blanka, Cammy, Chun-Li, Cody, C.Viper, Dan, Dee Jay, Dhalsim, Dudley, Honda, El Fuerte, Fei Long, Gen, Gouken, Guile, Guy, Hakan, Ibuki, Juri, Ken, Makoto, M.Bison, Rose, Rufus, Sakura, Seth, T.Hawk, Vega, Zangief.
CEO was way more hype, but RevLA definitely had a higher skill level at the top 3.
No idea how I forgot about using st.lk xx lunge as a punish, but ty diego perry for reminding me via the stream =)
There's nothing more baller than killing someone with air to air j.fp, crossup shoulder xx geneijin -> u1.
The USA twins players definitely aren't used to them yet. Justin didn't even try to do the yang slash fadc launch, dive whiff, ultra combo. Just went for a reset every time.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2011 18:53 Trumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 18:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
whoa whoa, abel is not bottom tier. he's high tier in Super, i dunno about AE but still definitely not bottom tier Everyone likes to pretend they play a terrible character and only win because they're just so amazing. Just like everyone who plays a top character will tell you they do it because they totally feel the character's story. Tier lists were clearly: S Tier: Sagat/Twins A Tier: Akuma, Ryu, Sentinel Bottom Ass tier: Abel, Adon, Balrog, Blanka, Cammy, Chun-Li, Cody, C.Viper, Dan, Dee Jay, Dhalsim, Dudley, Honda, El Fuerte, Fei Long, Gen, Gouken, Guile, Guy, Hakan, Ibuki, Juri, Ken, Makoto, M.Bison, Rose, Rufus, Sakura, Seth, T.Hawk, Vega, Zangief. CEO was way more hype, but RevLA definitely had a higher skill level at the top 3. No idea how I forgot about using st.lk xx lunge as a punish, but ty diego perry for reminding me via the stream =) There's nothing more baller than killing someone with air to air j.fp, crossup shoulder xx geneijin -> u1. The USA twins players definitely aren't used to them yet. Justin didn't even try to do the yang slash fadc launch, dive whiff, ultra combo. Just went for a reset every time.
...Sentinel?
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On June 14 2011 00:28 O-ops wrote:
...Sentinel?
Ya his ultra 2 is unstoppable wtf
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are you supposed to play this on pc with keyboard and mice or something special, and if something special what is it and where can i buy it?
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On June 14 2011 02:39 DeSam wrote:
are you supposed to play this on pc with keyboard and mice or something special, and if something special what is it and where can i buy it?
You can play w/ a keyboard (works fine, quite better than an analog controller imo), though it gets rough w/ grapplers (i.e. zangief requires quick asdw typing).
You could also get a fightstick/pad and hook that up to your computer as well.
I don't know how you would use a mouse for SF lol
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My genuine thoughts on the tier list are:
Twins
Fei long, Zangief, Makoto
Ken, Sagat, Balrog, Sakura, Adon, Ibuki, M Bison, Akuma
The Rest.
Twins are the best, but not broken on the Vanilla Sagat level.
And lolwut Sentinel?
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On June 14 2011 03:33 Zlasher wrote:
And lolwut Sentinel?
Well, yeah.
I mean, with the Hyper Armor on his launcher, you can just spam S and completely negate all dive kick pressure from the twins/rufus. Although if you whiff you're likely to get blown up by EX Dash Punch.
+ Show Spoiler +are we trolling or actually being serious here?
On June 13 2011 17:30 Ramble wrote:
I agree with Arturo on the point that Rose is overnerfed.
He was talking with Gootecks after the finals about how his biggest complaint is the hitbox on the orbs being reduced. Apparently you can't juggle someone with the orbs if you anti-air them anymore? Like how they used to be able to juggle with both orbs then soul throw?
I don't play Rose, I'm just trying to repeat what he said.
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On June 14 2011 03:59 number1gog wrote:Well, yeah. I mean, with the Hyper Armor on his launcher, you can just spam S and completely negate all dive kick pressure from the twins/rufus. Although if you whiff you're likely to get blown up by EX Dash Punch. + Show Spoiler +are we trolling or actually being serious here? Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:30 Ramble wrote:
I agree with Arturo on the point that Rose is overnerfed. He was talking with Gootecks after the finals about how his biggest complaint is the hitbox on the orbs being reduced. Apparently you can't juggle someone with the orbs if you anti-air them anymore? Like how they used to be able to juggle with both orbs then soul throw? I don't play Rose, I'm just trying to repeat what he said.
I think it's easier to hit Rose inbetween the orbs now, although im not 100% sure about that. Also I think Arturo is a great player but he whines a lot. He is a great analytical player but his mindset is sometimes that of an IdrA. And he said after the tournament that he thinks AE is trash and he basically only prepared for MK9.
Still a hype weekend overall, MurderFace beasting on everyone in both AE and MvC3, and Daigo being Daigo at Revelations.
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On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha.
I'm with you in this boat, though i'm able to actually beat people now :D my Sakura is improving !
The only problem i'm having is it seems my keyboard can't handle many keypresses so it's hard trying to do like a j.hk c.mk xx fireball so i'm now on a hunt for a stick i can use on my pc and my 360(mvc3)
And I still can't get any move with charge in it to work, i hold back for 2-3 then hit punch as Guile but still no sonic boom 
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On June 14 2011 08:15 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha. I'm with you in this boat, though i'm able to actually beat people now :D my Sakura is improving ! The only problem i'm having is it seems my keyboard can't handle many keypresses so it's hard trying to do like a j.hk c.mk xx fireball so i'm now on a hunt for a stick i can use on my pc and my 360(mvc3) And I still can't get any move with charge in it to work, i hold back for 2-3 then hit punch as Guile but still no sonic boom
Did you remember to hit forward right before you hit the punch button?
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On June 14 2011 08:15 Skithiryx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha. I'm with you in this boat, though i'm able to actually beat people now :D my Sakura is improving ! The only problem i'm having is it seems my keyboard can't handle many keypresses so it's hard trying to do like a j.hk c.mk xx fireball so i'm now on a hunt for a stick i can use on my pc and my 360(mvc3) And I still can't get any move with charge in it to work, i hold back for 2-3 then hit punch as Guile but still no sonic boom
you main sakura? me too! pm me or post here if you need help or want advice or w/e.
also add me on xbl AHeroicRetreat
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Rose can still juggle soul throw after U2 orbs, unless I'm just remembering all the times I did it pre-AE. What's wrong with cr.mp now? Worse hitbox or something else? I've only played a few laggy online matches of AE so far, and most of it was with Sim and Rog, so I couldn't tell there was a change.
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On June 14 2011 09:29 Myrmidon wrote:
Rose can still juggle soul throw after U2 orbs, unless I'm just remembering all the times I did it pre-AE. What's wrong with cr.mp now? Worse hitbox or something else? I've only played a few laggy online matches of AE so far, and most of it was with Sim and Rog, so I couldn't tell there was a change.
cr. MP has a shorter range and bigger hurtbox in AE. And her far st. MK hade its hitbox pulled back a bit so it wont reach as far aswell.
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On June 14 2011 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 08:15 Skithiryx wrote:On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha. I'm with you in this boat, though i'm able to actually beat people now :D my Sakura is improving ! The only problem i'm having is it seems my keyboard can't handle many keypresses so it's hard trying to do like a j.hk c.mk xx fireball so i'm now on a hunt for a stick i can use on my pc and my 360(mvc3) And I still can't get any move with charge in it to work, i hold back for 2-3 then hit punch as Guile but still no sonic boom you main sakura? me too! pm me or post here if you need help or want advice or w/e. also add me on xbl AHeroicRetreat
Disclaimer though, FakeSteve is a Laggy Canadian.
By the way Steve, I've started mixing in cl.mp on opponent wakeup, but my ideal frametrap doesn't seem to be working too well =( I want to do cl.mp, c.hp xx LK tatsu, s.lk xx EX tatsu but it seems like cl.mp just pushes back too far on block and the c.hp won't connect unless they throw out a limb. In a counterhit setup, whiffing the counterhit move is basically the worst thing that can happen, especially with Sakura's c.hp which has a really long recovery (and since it whiffs you can't make it safe by canceling into tatsu). I think the best I'll be able to get is cl.mp, c.mk for a counterhit setup but I don't think LK tatsu is a true blockstring from that distance and the timing seems like it's too strict to hit-confirm HP shoryu. What are you using for cl.mp frametraps, and how have you worked that into your game?
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On June 14 2011 11:03 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 09:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On June 14 2011 08:15 Skithiryx wrote:On June 13 2011 03:23 shawster wrote:
also learning ssf4 is so hard online. it seems that i never get someone my skill level. everyone who plays is already really fucking good. it's quite discouraging and even though i want to play ssf4 (don't have ae) i go back to marvel because i can manage to win some games haha. I'm with you in this boat, though i'm able to actually beat people now :D my Sakura is improving ! The only problem i'm having is it seems my keyboard can't handle many keypresses so it's hard trying to do like a j.hk c.mk xx fireball so i'm now on a hunt for a stick i can use on my pc and my 360(mvc3) And I still can't get any move with charge in it to work, i hold back for 2-3 then hit punch as Guile but still no sonic boom you main sakura? me too! pm me or post here if you need help or want advice or w/e. also add me on xbl AHeroicRetreat text
I am not Steve, but you can frame trap off of cr. LP. cr. LP puts you at +3 on block and cr. MP has a five frame start up so you would ideally hit on their second frame out of block stun. Since throws are three frames and there are no cr. LKs that are faster than three frames you will blow up both throws and crouch techs. And cr. LP should not push you away far enough for the cr. MP to hit.
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