• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:59
CET 07:59
KST 15:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC211[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ List of top players active on ShieldBattery Korean players' earnings Hit New All-Time High! SOOP Hosts SC1 & SC2 Event Tournament: Kevin Scrim BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Bisu's Team vs Shuttle's Team 2026-11-14
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11588 users

Ultra Street Fighter IV - Page 11

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 668 Next
Check out the new Street Fighter V Thread
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 10 2011 23:20 GMT
#201
I don't know, I seriously think Yun/Yang/Fei are just as bad as vanilla Sagat. The only difference being there's 3 characters that bad and they are way more popular than Sagat. They're also significantly easier to play as than Sagat too. Bitching about balance is the cool thing to do when you're at a low skill level so the character actually makes a difference.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
June 10 2011 23:23 GMT
#202


soo f-ing sick
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 10 2011 23:30 GMT
#203
Holy shit that Blanka bit made me do a double take.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
June 11 2011 00:26 GMT
#204
OK, Guile nerf is indeed big as fuck, might have to consider playing really good to win rounds >_<
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 00:44:08
June 11 2011 00:43 GMT
#205
Did anyone just see what happened on level up live? Holy crap...

+ Show Spoiler +
Neo, Juri player > Valle, Sako, Latif. Juri OCV...


http://www.justin.tv/leveluplive
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
June 11 2011 01:21 GMT
#206
Yea I saw that and how he was cheering and so happy after winning the games. Put a smile to my face
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 11 2011 02:56 GMT
#207
wow came back in time for the AE team finals. sick run by latif but clutch ocv by hsein "GOD HAND" chang
Forever Young
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 11 2011 03:03 GMT
#208
Sakonogo
Fan of the Jangbanger
vakiha
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada20 Posts
June 11 2011 03:05 GMT
#209
Is Neo (Juri) the Neo from marvel 2?
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 11 2011 03:11 GMT
#210
Goes to show if you played AE in arcades for the past 7 months, you're ahead of the curve. Hsien Chang has played more AE than anyone in america so far.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 11 2011 03:13 GMT
#211
On June 11 2011 12:05 vakiha wrote:
Is Neo (Juri) the Neo from marvel 2?


Nope, this Neo is from Alaska or Korea haha I heard both of those places from the commentators.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 11 2011 03:20 GMT
#212
On June 11 2011 12:11 Zlasher wrote:
Goes to show if you played AE in arcades for the past 7 months, you're ahead of the curve. Hsien Chang has played more AE than anyone in america so far.


you don't say his name without GOD HAND in the middle
Forever Young
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 07:55:28
June 11 2011 07:08 GMT
#213
On June 11 2011 12:13 Demoninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 12:05 vakiha wrote:
Is Neo (Juri) the Neo from marvel 2?


Nope, this Neo is from Alaska or Korea haha I heard both of those places from the commentators.


lol. He's from Korea, but he's attending college in Alaska.

Also, the way Hsien plays isn't really extensive AE knowledge. It's more just a LOT of experience from old fighters paying off. He won most his matches by blocking extremely well.

Edit: I fully agree with FS, below.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 07:50:54
June 11 2011 07:35 GMT
#214
On June 11 2011 07:51 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 07:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:say whatever you want about this bullshit character or that bullshit character, but Vanilla Sagat never won a major in North America despite how godlike he was.

did a vanilla Sagat not named Tokido ever win major tournaments in Japan?

and... didn't Akuma get even higher than Sagat on the tier list after the game got played more?

imo vanilla Sagat was never broken to the extent that people thought...


no, akuma didn't pass sagat on the tier list. sagat was a legit S tier character, something I don't know if Yun can be classified as. Sagat had one single bad matchup, and about half his advantaged matchups were horrible 7-3 in his favor. Yun doesn't have that big an advantage over the rest of the cast. The problem with Sagat wasn't the design of the character itself; while he had a godly zoning game, it was the fact that kara uppercut FADC f+rh ultra did like 650+ damage, and naked uppercut by itself was almost always worth the risk. it put a retarded skew on the damage relationship between characters in that Sagat outdamaged everyone else to the point where he was basically untouchable as soon as he got two meters, which he could get obscenely fast because of the type of fireball zoning character he's supposed to be. this also lead to Sagat players leaning on his brainless skillset, which meant that no Sagat players really developed to the point where they could win in every situation. You can always get dominated by a better player, Sagat was just strong to the point where you really had to be a SHITLOAD better, not a little better, to beat him. Yun has the tools to dominate a good portion of the cast, but the damage output off each hit confirm isn't as retarded, which means he still has to work to get damage. Playing against Yun with my character, for example, is pretty close to balanced simply because Sakura does a shitload more damage than Yun - so while he'll get more opportunities to deal damage, mine count more, and i have mixups on knockdown that are much scarier than Yun's and again, lead to more damage. Hell, tons of characters in AE have mixups on knockdown that are as scary as Yun's, but without such a robust defensive kit.

i know where you're getting the idea that akuma surpassed him on the tier list though. The top 3 in vanilla were unquestionably Sagat, Akuma, and Ryu, in that order, but they had a circular relationship like Ryu > Akuma > Sagat > Ryu

all that said, Yun/Yang/Fei simply don't have the get-out-of-jail-free megadamage combo that made Sagat so overpowered. Pretty much every character in AE is tournament viable, and has their own game they can run. If you don't know the matchup, you're gonna get bodied regardless of what character you pick. the top 3 in AE are definitely deserving of their place, but choosing them is by no means a free win.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Vec
Profile Joined November 2008
United States69 Posts
June 11 2011 08:36 GMT
#215
Towards the end of SF4 vanilla in japan 34 of the 66 people above 90k bp played Sagat, Akuma, or Ryu.

24 of those played Sagat
6 Akuma
4 Ryu

These being the top 3 represented characters in the 90k+ range goes to show how dominant Sagat truly was.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 22:27:22
June 11 2011 22:20 GMT
#216
wow sick Alaskan/korean pad viper player beats pinoychamp. i feel for pinoychamp, that matchup is hard, but sick reads/plays. (and according to ski mago as well O_o)
ton of sick viper action at revelations. i love it

nice sako vs utah abel match too. ex roll so free to grab ultra os's
Forever Young
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 10:39:26
June 12 2011 08:52 GMT
#217
Isesuto number 1 Yang player at the moment, what the hell? I just hope he didn't switch mains, his C.Viper was the best. And with Yang he has sooo many options now, considering that he has a pretty good Gouki, Fei Long, Makoto, Sagat and M.Bison as well.

/edit: Just saw the number 2 Seth player(who was 1/1 two days ago) and he had over 11k BP. And uh, that's a lot...but how much has the n°1 then? Don't own a 360, so I can't check.

/edit2: Looks like he has a 5000+ BP Yun as well, so I guess(or rather hope) he is justing testing the new characters.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 12 2011 09:11 GMT
#218
On June 11 2011 12:20 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 12:11 Zlasher wrote:
Goes to show if you played AE in arcades for the past 7 months, you're ahead of the curve. Hsien Chang has played more AE than anyone in america so far.


you don't say his name without GOD HAND in the middle


Rofl my bad. I remember one time where Marn went to Arcade UFO and he ran like a 34 game win streak while on the other cabs Hsien ran like 45. Marn eventually lost, and Hsien got up to 60 something win streak. GDLK.

On June 11 2011 16:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 07:51 kainzero wrote:
On June 11 2011 07:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:say whatever you want about this bullshit character or that bullshit character, but Vanilla Sagat never won a major in North America despite how godlike he was.

did a vanilla Sagat not named Tokido ever win major tournaments in Japan?

and... didn't Akuma get even higher than Sagat on the tier list after the game got played more?

imo vanilla Sagat was never broken to the extent that people thought...


no, akuma didn't pass sagat on the tier list. sagat was a legit S tier character, something I don't know if Yun can be classified as. Sagat had one single bad matchup, and about half his advantaged matchups were horrible 7-3 in his favor. Yun doesn't have that big an advantage over the rest of the cast. The problem with Sagat wasn't the design of the character itself; while he had a godly zoning game, it was the fact that kara uppercut FADC f+rh ultra did like 650+ damage, and naked uppercut by itself was almost always worth the risk. it put a retarded skew on the damage relationship between characters in that Sagat outdamaged everyone else to the point where he was basically untouchable as soon as he got two meters, which he could get obscenely fast because of the type of fireball zoning character he's supposed to be. this also lead to Sagat players leaning on his brainless skillset, which meant that no Sagat players really developed to the point where they could win in every situation. You can always get dominated by a better player, Sagat was just strong to the point where you really had to be a SHITLOAD better, not a little better, to beat him. Yun has the tools to dominate a good portion of the cast, but the damage output off each hit confirm isn't as retarded, which means he still has to work to get damage. Playing against Yun with my character, for example, is pretty close to balanced simply because Sakura does a shitload more damage than Yun - so while he'll get more opportunities to deal damage, mine count more, and i have mixups on knockdown that are much scarier than Yun's and again, lead to more damage. Hell, tons of characters in AE have mixups on knockdown that are as scary as Yun's, but without such a robust defensive kit.

i know where you're getting the idea that akuma surpassed him on the tier list though. The top 3 in vanilla were unquestionably Sagat, Akuma, and Ryu, in that order, but they had a circular relationship like Ryu > Akuma > Sagat > Ryu

all that said, Yun/Yang/Fei simply don't have the get-out-of-jail-free megadamage combo that made Sagat so overpowered. Pretty much every character in AE is tournament viable, and has their own game they can run. If you don't know the matchup, you're gonna get bodied regardless of what character you pick. the top 3 in AE are definitely deserving of their place, but choosing them is by no means a free win.


[image loading]

But seriously, very well put. Yun Yang and Fei are all top tier yes but they aren't as far ahead of the curve as everyone wants to believe. The problem is people see this character with ac ompletely unique move list and pressure system that is thrown into the game (unlike oni and e ryu) and they do well, but that doesn't put them on the Ryu Akuma Sagat Vanilla level so easily.

I do believe the twins are the two best characters in the game, what I do NOT think is that they're broken in any way or should be banned in tournaments. The reason I think a character like Phoenix should be banned in Marvel is because you get rewarded for losing two high hp characters just to build the meter, then get thrown into 3 50/50's that are 50% kill, 50% safe chip/pushblock situations where you can rinse and repeat that until you OCV the other team. Yun and Yang and Fei, believe it or not, have to work for their pressure situations and pull of combos that 99% of players can't pull off, and sustain that throughout since they have heavy recovery frame data and pretty high execution shit within their super combos (the twins, that is, Fei long has it even worse in that his ultra can't be juggled).
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 12 2011 09:55 GMT
#219
I'm starting to switch over to the line of thought that Yun/Yang/Fei are only as broken as the player playing them seeing how not a lot of players are doing well with them despite their amazing tool set. The only thing I disagree with is the gif and the idea you have that Yun and Yang takes execution.
Sedz
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 09:57:31
June 12 2011 09:56 GMT
#220
Why would you say Phoenix should be banned and then not mention Wolverine?

Any ways, AE is still very young so no real tier list can be established just yet. I am pretty sad however that it is a common thought that Ryu is considered to be very bad and most comp. Ryu players have switched.

I also want to mention that Yun and Yang are fairly easy to play, but you actually need to know what you're doing with Fei Long.
AsGSedZ.549
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 668 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft545
RuFF_SC2 212
Reynor 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Rock 15
Noble 11
Sharp 7
LuMiX 5
League of Legends
JimRising 669
Counter-Strike
xp31
Other Games
summit1g8434
NeuroSwarm112
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2229
League of Legends
• Rush1565
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 1m
WardiTV Invitational
5h 1m
SHIN vs Rogue
ByuN vs Solar
MaxPax vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
10h 1m
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
13h 1m
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
1d 3h
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
1d 5h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.