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For those that following CS scene, this few days Fnatic's Marcus 'delpan' Larsson is reported to be a possible signing by SK Gaming after they remove long time member, Jimmy 'allen' Allen.
http://www.hltv.org/news/6879-sk-interested-in-delpan-report
Just few hours ago, Theslash (SK managing director) announced that they have signed Delpan from Fnatic.
Neither SK nor fnatic have commented on the matter, and the only indication of the move so far has been made by Müller on his Twitter, saying: "Delpan has signed!  ".
http://www.hltv.org/news/6896-delpan-signs-for-sk
However, Fnatic making statement that Delpan is still contracted to the team. Furthermore, it's revealed that SK have been trying to pouch Fnatic's Quake Live players, Strenx, without contacting Fnatic during CeBIT.
Fnatic give the following statement:
"The actions of SK Gaming Managing Director, Alex Mueller, and his recent comments on Twitter are deeply disappointing and unprofessional. The G7 was formed on the basis to promote the cooperation and unity between professional organizations. At no stage has SK Gaming attempted to contact any member of the FnaticMSI management to discuss the transfer and release of Marcus 'delpan' Larsson. It is clear that Marcus has a desire and intention to leave FnaticMSI and we acknowledge this, however this does not give either the player or competitor the right just to ignore a valid contract. This shows the true colours of SK Gaming. We still strive and seek a mutually agreeable and professional outcome, something that at this stage is proving difficult. Regardless of past history I would urge SK Gaming to resolve this matter amicably."
http://www.fnatic.com/news/8831/delpan-not-released-from-fnaticmsi.html
It should be noted that in the past, Gux got caught in similar situation where he move back from SK to Fnatic not long after joining SK. However, back then Gux is not contracted by SK, which is clearly different from delpan's situation.
Man, this is way over the line if delpan is indeed contracted to Fnatic. Even more, SK openly claims that "the days when Fnatic and SK can come to an agreement in a civilized manner are over."
Not what I expected from a multi-gaming teams like SK :/
EDIT:
Official: SK signs delpan.
SK Gaming have announced the addition of Marcus "Delpan" Larsson from fnatic.
The Swedish players switches teams just six months after joining fnatic, with whom he would win the IEM5 European Championship in Kiev.
He replaces the inactive Jimmy "allen" Allen, who had a quick comeback at the WCG qualifier this weekend, filling in for Dennis "dennis" Edman, the team's stand-in in recent months.
This is not the first time that Larsson will wear SK's shirt, having represented the team on a one-event basis at the World Esports Masters, helping the team finish in second place, behind WeMade FOX.
Meanwhile, team coach Anton "budak" Budak stressed that SK did everything right to get Larsson, saying: "With this move we aren't stealing a player from another organisation. If a player wishes to become a part of SK, or vice-versa, we will try everything to make this possible."
http://www.hltv.org/news/6898-official-sk-sign-delpan
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TheSlash: "Willing to buy Delpan"
fnatic released last night a statement saying that Delpan had not yet been released. What is the current situation of the player? Is he still tied to fnatic with a contract?
First and foremost, this is a question only Marcus and fnatic can answer. From our point of view, we have worked out a deal with Marcus and in order for him to focus on his new team, we want him to have no problems whatsoever. So we told Fnatic that we are interested in looking at a "buy-out" situation. Interesting is though that the situation is similar to what happened less than 12 months ago, only this time it is the other way around. Back then, fnatic refused to accept that Rasmus was in a legally binding contract with SK.
It is good to see fnatic insisting on contracts between organizations and players to be respected again and I can only hope they will argue the same way when they are approaching a player in the future, regardless for which team he is playing. Anyway, the team wanted Delpan, we negotiated, the player wants to make the move and we are willing to buy him out of a contract between Fnatic and Marcus, it is that simple.
But fnatic said Gux was not contracted to SK...
We did release the photo of the signed contract. How can you say he was not signed?
There's more in the interview, you can read the rest on HLTV.org
http://www.hltv.org/news/6900-theslash-willing-to-buy-delpan
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In all fairness; SK hasn't played fair since forever, not even with their own players. They still technically owe HeatoN and Potti a lot of money, so that kind of is a benchmark for how serious they are when you actually get down things.
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rofl sk thinks they can just go behind the back of a team and sign a player thats already contracted? obviously delpan is going to leave because he doesnt want to apart of the team anymore but thats not how ur supposed to go about it, have some class
edit: fnatic's statement regarding the situation
http://www.fnatic.com/news/8831/Delpan-not-released-from-FnaticMSI.html
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On May 30 2011 09:08 TT1 wrote:rofl sk thinks they can just go behind the back of a team and sign a player thats already contracted? obviously delpan is going to leave because he doesnt want to apart of the team anymore but thats not how ur supposed to go about it, have some class edit: fnatic's statement regarding the situation http://www.fnatic.com/news/8831/Delpan-not-released-from-FnaticMSI.html
I already put that on the OP
Did you really read my post 
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thats pretty rude of sk ;O
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On May 30 2011 09:12 Shana wrote:I already put that on the OP Did you really read my post
just browsed through it : D
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You guys are reading this from fnatic's point of view though. You have to remember that 6 months ago Gux was on SK's team and Fnatic signed Gux behind SK's back because Gux was dodging the official signing of his contract with them.
Both the organizations are showing very little class through this series...again. Fnatic could have easily taken the higher road with their statement but they litter it with phrases calling SK Unprofessional and unwilling to do things properly.
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Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
I'm a big cArn fan
hope SK fails and gl to fnatic
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On May 30 2011 09:25 Zlasher wrote:
You guys are reading this from fnatic's point of view though. You have to remember that 6 months ago Gux was on SK's team and Fnatic signed Gux behind SK's back because Gux was dodging the official signing of his contract with them.
Both the organizations are showing very little class through this series...again. Fnatic could have easily taken the higher road with their statement but they litter it with phrases calling SK Unprofessional and unwilling to do things properly.
"When FnaticMSI took on Gux, he was not under a contract with SK Gaming.
As it stands, Delpan is still 100% under contract with FnaticMSI."
this is wat someone from the fnatic staff had to say about that situation
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I feel nothing but disgust for SK. And no, this is not the only reason why. I remember back in Heaton-days when SK still made some questionable moves. Also, they switch players after pretty much every tournament and has not been able to hold a steady line up since 2003. Should learn from Fnatic.
Moreover, the Madfrog affair seems a little fishy to me.
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On May 30 2011 09:44 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 09:25 Zlasher wrote:
You guys are reading this from fnatic's point of view though. You have to remember that 6 months ago Gux was on SK's team and Fnatic signed Gux behind SK's back because Gux was dodging the official signing of his contract with them.
Both the organizations are showing very little class through this series...again. Fnatic could have easily taken the higher road with their statement but they litter it with phrases calling SK Unprofessional and unwilling to do things properly. "When FnaticMSI took on Gux, he was not under a contract with SK Gaming. As it stands, Delpan is still 100% under contract with FnaticMSI." this is wat someone from the fnatic staff had to say about that situation
Yes, Gux was not under contract but that is not something Fnatic would have known if organizations weren't so shady about it sometimes. Gux was avoiding signing his contract but still expected to get paid the salary and prize money on the contract even though he didn't sign it, then fnatic took a key component of the team just prior to IEM.
Nobody is a saint here, especially not SK or Fnatic's PR guys or head editors, to allow such ridiculous phrases being littered across their official statements and press releases.
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On May 30 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 09:44 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 09:25 Zlasher wrote:
You guys are reading this from fnatic's point of view though. You have to remember that 6 months ago Gux was on SK's team and Fnatic signed Gux behind SK's back because Gux was dodging the official signing of his contract with them.
Both the organizations are showing very little class through this series...again. Fnatic could have easily taken the higher road with their statement but they litter it with phrases calling SK Unprofessional and unwilling to do things properly. "When FnaticMSI took on Gux, he was not under a contract with SK Gaming. As it stands, Delpan is still 100% under contract with FnaticMSI." this is wat someone from the fnatic staff had to say about that situation Yes, Gux was not under contract but that is not something Fnatic would have known if organizations weren't so shady about it sometimes. Gux was avoiding signing his contract but still expected to get paid the salary and prize money on the contract even though he didn't sign it, then fnatic took a key component of the team just prior to IEM. Nobody is a saint here, especially not SK or Fnatic's PR guys or head editors, to allow such ridiculous phrases being littered across their official statements and press releases.
Sort of speaks to how fragile the gaming industry still seems to be, even an supposedly somewhat well established one where organizations like SK can let a player continue to play for the team and dodge contract signings (which I don't understand how it's possible since you grab him at an event and if he doesn't sign then he's out). The only reason they still let him play for the team that I can see is that they need players who work well with the team more than they need all the official paperwork in order so that sponsors still pay them money.
Amirite?
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E-Sport contracts have no weight, they are useless to sign and useless to follow.
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On May 30 2011 09:26 Zlasher wrote:
Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic.
Holy.... I don't follow CS but that's ridiculous.
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To bad that f0rest is with SK ;< amazing player
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Good ' ol 1.6 drama. SK has always been shady, every1 knows that. Why else would Heaton, potti, spawn, ahl, fisker leave to form NiP  . I miss the fnatic w/ f0rest on it though...good times.
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On May 30 2011 10:31 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 10:06 Zlasher wrote:On May 30 2011 09:44 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 09:25 Zlasher wrote:
You guys are reading this from fnatic's point of view though. You have to remember that 6 months ago Gux was on SK's team and Fnatic signed Gux behind SK's back because Gux was dodging the official signing of his contract with them.
Both the organizations are showing very little class through this series...again. Fnatic could have easily taken the higher road with their statement but they litter it with phrases calling SK Unprofessional and unwilling to do things properly. "When FnaticMSI took on Gux, he was not under a contract with SK Gaming. As it stands, Delpan is still 100% under contract with FnaticMSI." this is wat someone from the fnatic staff had to say about that situation Yes, Gux was not under contract but that is not something Fnatic would have known if organizations weren't so shady about it sometimes. Gux was avoiding signing his contract but still expected to get paid the salary and prize money on the contract even though he didn't sign it, then fnatic took a key component of the team just prior to IEM. Nobody is a saint here, especially not SK or Fnatic's PR guys or head editors, to allow such ridiculous phrases being littered across their official statements and press releases. Sort of speaks to how fragile the gaming industry still seems to be, even an supposedly somewhat well established one where organizations like SK can let a player continue to play for the team and dodge contract signings (which I don't understand how it's possible since you grab him at an event and if he doesn't sign then he's out). The only reason they still let him play for the team that I can see is that they need players who work well with the team more than they need all the official paperwork in order so that sponsors still pay them money. Amirite?
Because in a game where you add players based on synergy and with only so many big events a year that you have to make it to, you add a player with the expectation that a guy who used to be on your team and has had good relations would have just signed the contract. When a team is as high profile as SK or Fnatic they have to go get their player and hope the team works well, you can't just switch players in and out, like fnatic and sk have tried to do in the past 12 months.
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On May 30 2011 11:01 PrimeTimey wrote:
E-Sport contracts have no weight, they are useless to sign and useless to follow.
Naniwa's has a clause that Dignitas can kick him if he BMs too much and so far he's following it and has helped both him, his public recognition and Dignitases.
Everybody wins!
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TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it.
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On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it.
ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
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I heard hacking is frowned upon in the sc1 community aswell.
jk I still love you 8D
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On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
Think the issue would be with the legal costs of taking it to trial and if it's really worth the time and money. Would be nice to finally have it go that far though.
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On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
Heh, delpan probably didn't even read what he was signing for when he actually joined fnatic.
SK still an odd organization I can still see lol
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i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
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It's dying, but still pretty big compared to other games except sc2.
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here.
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On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it.
You shouldn't make blanket statements like this without ANY knowledge.
There are clauses within contracts that require buyout fees from other teams that want to sign a contracted player. For example, EG paid mTw the buyout fee to sign DeMuslim to a new contract, this happens regularly. Fnatic and SK contracts always require buyout clauses which SK did not deal with. My assumption is that they either didn't know that Delpan was not formally released yet, or they knew but didn't want to deal with it, and they just wanted to make the signing official since they knew Delpan would be leaving.
On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
It is to SC players moreso than counterstrike players. My guess is Delpan should also be at fault since he probably pulled a Gux and told SK that he had been released and was ready to sign a new contract. Miscommunication and misinformation.
On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
It is completely standard for all contracts to include these. Why would an organization want to have signed a player to a 12 month contract or 2 year contract for xxx amount of potential money involved just to have their player become a superstar and then immediately get taken by another team for no compensation? Thats not a shitty clause its completely, as CatZ would say, Standard.
On May 30 2011 14:11 masterbreti wrote:
i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
It's very large in terms of players, there aren't as many people who sit at home and watch others play it but the player pool is as large if not larger than SC2 in many parts of the world.
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On May 30 2011 14:26 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here. Pretty bold statement from a nobody who probably has no idea about TT1s past or the situation surrounding his maphacking.
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On May 30 2011 11:02 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 09:26 Zlasher wrote:
Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic. Holy.... I don't follow CS but that's ridiculous.
In fairness to Delpan, he was only a standin for SK the first time around, so it's closer to "Lions->Fnatic->SK", which isn't that bad. He shined in his time with Lions, then stepped in for SK, then got an offer from fnatic - and now he has found out that things arent't going the way he expected them to.
On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
That's an entirely different thing. SC1 is played by one person (fair enough you practice with other players, but when it's game time it's all on you, and no one else). In CS you've got five people who have to mesh and work together at any given time - now if 1 out of 5 is not doing as he should (whether it's performance or attitude), then it'll fuck everything up for the remaining 4 - if you then were to get an offer to join someone you've meshed well with in the past, then it's not hard to see why one would accept such an offer. Playing without any form of joy wears you down pretty quickly, and when you've been playing a game for such a long time, you'll find it harder to motivate yourself to keep playing..
.. you get the driftt
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On May 30 2011 14:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:02 Froadac wrote:On May 30 2011 09:26 Zlasher wrote:
Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic. Holy.... I don't follow CS but that's ridiculous. In fairness to Delpan, he was only a standin for SK the first time around, so it's closer to "Lions->Fnatic->SK", which isn't that bad. He shined in his time with Lions, then stepped in for SK, then got an offer from fnatic - and now he has found out that things arent't going the way he expected them to. Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players That's an entirely different thing. SC1 is played by one person (fair enough you practice with other players, but when it's game time it's all on you, and no one else). In CS you've got five people who have to mesh and work together at any given time - now if 1 out of 5 is not doing as he should (whether it's performance or attitude), then it'll fuck everything up for the remaining 4 - if you then were to get an offer to join someone you've meshed well with in the past, then it's not hard to see why one would accept such an offer. Playing without any form of joy wears you down pretty quickly, and when you've been playing a game for such a long time, you'll find it harder to motivate yourself to keep playing.. .. you get the driftt
Before that it was two small clans into a "gun for hire" state since people needed 5ths and he was available so he was temporarily on Lions til he was replaced, then SK while SK was looking for proper replacements for walle and gux. Which led to GTR and f0rest. Point being he's been on a lot of teams the past 18 months lol. Gux is even worse though
Completely agree with the second statement though ;o
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
I dont like it myself but I guess that sincethe players need eat some of their loyalty surely lies with the money. Are there no legal bindings when a player is signed ? The biggest error in this case seem to be the contract. A larger governing body in E-sports maybe could help the teams provide this ? I hate the idea myself but maybe weve come to the point where a fifa or a kespa is needed in the foreign community.
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Well I lost my respect for SK long time ago. They just make retarded moves all the time, I'm glad they're not the premier gaming organisation they used to be.
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Dunno why SK cares so much about dead/dying FPS games. Instead of trying to put together a "championship" CS team (which will in all likelihood still get destroyed by NaVi) they should focus on getting some decent SC2 players...
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On May 30 2011 16:04 bokchoi wrote:
Dunno why SK cares so much about dead/dying FPS games. Instead of trying to put together a "championship" CS team (which will in all likelihood still get destroyed by NaVi) they should focus on getting some decent SC2 players...
There's still a good amount in Europe and Asia though. The game is pretty dead elsewhere.
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On May 30 2011 14:42 uSnAmplified wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 14:26 PrideNeverDie wrote:On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here. Pretty bold statement from a nobody who probably has no idea about TT1s past or the situation surrounding his maphacking.
yeah I'm sure he maphacked to save morality and honesty in the world and not because he's a faggot!
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HLTV.org releases their interview with Theslash, SK managing director.
fnatic released last night a statement saying that Delpan had not yet been released. What is the current situation of the player? Is he still tied to fnatic with a contract?
First and foremost, this is a question only Marcus and fnatic can answer. From our point of view, we have worked out a deal with Marcus and in order for him to focus on his new team, we want him to have no problems whatsoever. So we told Fnatic that we are interested in looking at a "buy-out" situation. Interesting is though that the situation is similar to what happened less than 12 months ago, only this time it is the other way around. Back then, fnatic refused to accept that Rasmus was in a legally binding contract with SK.
It is good to see fnatic insisting on contracts between organizations and players to be respected again and I can only hope they will argue the same way when they are approaching a player in the future, regardless for which team he is playing. Anyway, the team wanted Delpan, we negotiated, the player wants to make the move and we are willing to buy him out of a contract between Fnatic and Marcus, it is that simple.
But fnatic said Gux was not contracted to SK...
We did release the photo of the signed contract. How can you say he was not signed?
There's more in the interview, you can read the rest on HLTV.org
http://www.hltv.org/news/6900-theslash-willing-to-buy-delpan
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
be careful this statement won't bite you in the ass on a later point 
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What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything.
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On May 30 2011 21:34 cuppatea wrote:
What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything.
Good question that I'd also like to see an answer for. Their site used to also be a decent place to discuss certain things, and follow eSports in general. After they got into WoW and that whole mess, it just seemed like things went downhill fast. They do have a few SC2 players, but it's clear they aren't putting more than a small fraction of support into it compared to their WC3 days. Very strange.
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Even though what happened with Gux, SK could manner up. Just because fnatic fucked them over with Gux that doesnt justify what SK is doing right now, sometimes you just have to grow up. Also as said Delpan still has a contract with fnatic so they might just sue him (:
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That's a poor move on SK side, but Fnatic did the same thing (signed a player that was still under contract).
Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless.
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Perhaps Delpan didn't like to play with the guys in fnatic, and wanted to play with the guys in SK?
Who your team mates are is more important than what your organisation is in CS..
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On May 30 2011 22:46 s.a.y wrote:
That's a poor move on SK side, but Fnatic did the same thing (signed a player that was still under contract).
Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless.
Gux didnt sign the contract, they tried to force him to sign a contract for like 6 months but he never did it and then when he didnt get salary he whined like fuck and switched to fnatic
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What's so bad about poaching players whilst they're still on a contract??
You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases...
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On May 30 2011 23:21 arbitrageur wrote:
What's so bad about poaching players whilst they're still on a contract??
You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases...
I think it was the case of SK auctally trying to sign him while he is still on contract, and basically have him contracted to two teams at the same time.
If the issue was simply, here is a contract for when your current contract is up with fnatic, it would not have been a big deal.
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On May 30 2011 21:34 cuppatea wrote:
What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything.
Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame.
On May 30 2011 22:46 s.a.y wrote:
That's a poor move on SK side, but Fnatic did the same thing (signed a player that was still under contract).
Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless.
Not entirely the same situation, Fnatic poached and convinced Gux to not sign his contract with SK after he had been on the team for a few months, and eventually fnatic ended up signing someone that was clearly a part of a championship built team.
This situation is a player who is just about ready to be released from his contract, and officially signing another contract with SK before SK ever paid the buyout clause.
To be honest the issue is fnatic making the biggest shitstorm since they all knew that Delpan was going to be released from his contract due to the fact that delpan is truly unhappy with being on fnatic, but since it is SK signing the player fnatic wants to screw them over and make the whole situation bigger than it is.
Fnatic is probably just waiting til the very last second, as soon as gux officially signs a contract, to release delpan, but meanwhile SK thought the inevitable release of delpan would happen sooner.
On May 30 2011 23:21 arbitrageur wrote:
What's so bad about poaching players whilst they're still on a contract??
You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases...
There is actually nothing wrong if you pay the buyout clause in the contract. SK just figured delpan had been dropped so they could sign him, when in fact fnatic is holding onto a player they don't intend on keeping for as long as possible, so that SK can't sign him.
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The whole issue is that the managment of both organizations have ZERO communication over the transfers.
Its just SK contacting delpan without fnatic org knowing and then fnatic randomly finding out about it and causing a shitstorm because clearly SKs organisation is the biggest joke in esport history.
SK.swe 2003 still havent got alot their prizemoney or salary that SK owed them.
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On May 30 2011 22:26 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 21:34 cuppatea wrote:
What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything. Good question that I'd also like to see an answer for. Their site used to also be a decent place to discuss certain things, and follow eSports in general. After they got into WoW and that whole mess, it just seemed like things went downhill fast. They do have a few SC2 players, but it's clear they aren't putting more than a small fraction of support into it compared to their WC3 days. Very strange.
It's true that back in the days their site used to be a place for discussion. Only thing was, their moderation went to absolute crap, so trolls started dominating.
Ever since then, I havn't looked back.
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Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame.
I have to disagree with you saying Frag Executors and mTw being on a higher level then SK and Fnatic, or atleast fnatic who has actually won tournaments this year, which I dont remember neither FX or mTw having. And with the new lineups, I see both teams getting the better of it. Fnatic already has an AWPer and SK needed one. Other than that I agree fully, would be awesome to see SK forming an top squad of SC2 players.
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On May 31 2011 00:44 Polox wrote:Show nested quote +
Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame.
I have to disagree with you saying Frag Executors and mTw being on a higher level then SK and Fnatic, or atleast fnatic who has actually won tournaments this year, which I dont remember neither FX or mTw having. And with the new lineups, I see both teams getting the better of it. Fnatic already has an AWPer and SK needed one. Other than that I agree fully, would be awesome to see SK forming an top squad of SC2 players.
When it comes to performances against each other though FX and mTw have outperformed fnatic. Fnatic had a good run at IEM Europe and thats it, but they do not compete well in BO3's against top teams. Fnatic's performances are based off of BO1 group stage wins and seeded brackets afterwards. Navi FX and mTw are solidified teams that can take the BO3's.
And given their IEM World Finals performance I'd say fnatic is second tier behind those three, absolutely. Especially given the fact that their two best performers at IEM were Delpan who will NOT be with the team anymore, and pita.
Yes, fnatic won a tournament, but this very moment I'd be putting Navi, FX, mTw top 3 in that order, followed by SK, Lions, and fnatic as the next 3 (not in order).
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[QUOTE]On May 31 2011 00:42 zeru wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 31 2011 00:31 Senx wrote:
The whole issue is that the managment of both organizations have ZERO communication over the transfers.
Its just SK contacting delpan without fnatic org knowing and then fnatic randomly finding out about it and causing a shitstorm because clearly SKs organisation is the biggest joke in esport history.
SK.swe 2003 still havent got alot their prizemoney or salary that SK owed them.
And some ex SK wc3 player wasn't paid for the plane tickets he bought which they were supposed to cover, 7 months of salary and prize money.
Same with SK's old WoW team i think.
Hell was there ever any ex sk player that has said anything good about them?[/QUOTE]
i read somewhere long time ago on Wowriot(basically worldofming, where people blog about important stuff, its dead now, and its now on sixjax) in a post by serennia(from former SK team, now defunct?) that they have to pay for their own tickets or something, and SK ignored their requests. I cant post source because it was like 2 years ago,lol. Wowriot is closed anyways
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Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess.
Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general.
At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though
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On May 31 2011 00:56 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 00:44 Polox wrote:
Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame.
I have to disagree with you saying Frag Executors and mTw being on a higher level then SK and Fnatic, or atleast fnatic who has actually won tournaments this year, which I dont remember neither FX or mTw having. And with the new lineups, I see both teams getting the better of it. Fnatic already has an AWPer and SK needed one. Other than that I agree fully, would be awesome to see SK forming an top squad of SC2 players. When it comes to performances against each other though FX and mTw have outperformed fnatic. Fnatic had a good run at IEM Europe and thats it, but they do not compete well in BO3's against top teams. Fnatic's performances are based off of BO1 group stage wins and seeded brackets afterwards. Navi FX and mTw are solidified teams that can take the BO3's. And given their IEM World Finals performance I'd say fnatic is second tier behind those three, absolutely. Especially given the fact that their two best performers at IEM were Delpan who will NOT be with the team anymore, and pita. Yes, fnatic won a tournament, but this very moment I'd be putting Navi, FX, mTw top 3 in that order, followed by SK, Lions, and fnatic as the next 3 (not in order).
True, both SK and fnatic has perfomed below expectations, with the hype around "the two new superteams". But counting tournaments fnatic has won two, while both SK,mTw and FX has as best had top 3 finishes. Na'vi is undisputed the best team right now, but I dont see much difference in terms of perfomance from the other top teams.
As I already stated I see both lineups improving, if it will be enough to challenge Na'vi is uncertain. But well, I might be a bit biased since im a swede. =)
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I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
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On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
If you want to see the latest news in the counterstrike scene you should probably visit hltv.org
As for the American players, most of the old school players quit after the source failure but EG is still active and pretty good. (Frod, Storm, N0thing etc.)
Zet moved back to Sweden some year ago and started playing for MyM and after some success the team started to fall apart and he retired for good.
Naikon, element, bsl, hyper, guden, archie, bullen and spawn have all retired. element was playing in a mix at a recent event for fun tho.
Spawn is deeply involved with companies like BenQ, Zowie etc and is a part of Zowies PR Team (HeatoN, SpawN, Ahl, Potti and Fisker.
Neo is still playing with his polish teamates, now in FX (Frag executors), F0rest recently joined SK after playing with Fnatic for a couple of years.
Walle retired at the end of 2010 after playing with SK for some years. Tentpole retired in 2009 i think and he was last seen playing for SK.
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On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to.
Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
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On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though
iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while.
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On May 31 2011 02:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to. Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
Thanks a lot for this.
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On May 31 2011 02:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to. Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
Aye, thanks, I stopped following about four years ago; I certainly don't think anyone blames anyone for quitting, just missing the good ol' days :D
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On May 30 2011 14:11 masterbreti wrote:
i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
Top 3 prize money winning teams for a single year:
1st Na`Vi $207,749 (2010)
2nd fnatic $175,622 (2009)
3rd SK.swe $171,642 (2003)
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Ah I remember watching countless CPL & WCG matches on HLTV. Good times
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does anyone even know how that hltv thing works. I wanted to see exactly how their replay system worked and i couldn't figure out how to even get it working. couldn't even find the program i needed either.
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drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console
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The last year of CS1.6 with Swedish 1.6-teams have been so fun to watch/read.
After not placing well in a couple of tournaments
'We got this new player 'Y' he will now be replacing 'X' because 'X' hasn't been performing that well.'
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Ok the player 'Y' didn't fit in socially so we are replacing him with 'Z'.
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Uhm.. the team didn't have time to practice that much with 'Z'.
Rinse and repeat, L2Na'Vi and stick with one team and play alot!
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On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console
what console?
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On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console?
Press '~'
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On May 31 2011 08:54 Shana wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console? Press '~'
says it could not load file, so idk
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On May 31 2011 07:19 masterbreti wrote:
does anyone even know how that hltv thing works. I wanted to see exactly how their replay system worked and i couldn't figure out how to even get it working. couldn't even find the program i needed either.
HLTV is the ultimate* viewer experience, as it puts you in the game free to spectate any player or float free throughout the map. It's part of the reason it took me so long to tolerate competitive RTS, I hate shoutcasters and observers.
Rather than spam the forum with the instructions, here's the second result from the Google search, with screenshots and everything: http://myreplays.wordpress.com/cs-guide/
* of course, I'm talking about for watching live tournaments where you simply join the server and are part of the action live; as far as replays go it's basically the same as a Blizzard replay except Valve never put any effort into getting the Open Replay dialog working (THANKS SOURCE).
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On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
A lot of american players just stopped playing, but the scene was always there. There is still a large scrim/pug community going and cevo always has plenty of teams entered in the open section. Nowadays EG pretty much dominates any american scene so the professional level is nearly non existent. Zet moved back to sweden and plays for....I can't remember the team at the moment...some consistent e-sport organization, that or he's retired. Most of the other players you've named all retired or just got old and dont' have any drive to play professionally anymore. Rambo is still around on occassion but I doubt he has any drive to compete and train at the highest level anymore (he competed at MLG Raleigh I think, in starcraft 2. Proceeded to get properly stomped once he played any players of note. But for the most part its the same as any 28-30 year olds nowadays in esports. They don't find the need or motivation to play anymore.
On May 31 2011 02:51 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while.
SK's hon team is, by many accounts, the best in the world the past month or so. EG had their dominant streak from weheartpigs to loaded and EG, but aroudn the time they joined EG, fnaticMSI started being the number one team undisputably for a short period of time but they have since fallen off to a "top 5" category, along with EG. SK is probably the best of the three at this moment, but EG has made some REALLY big moves recently, ever since they lost chu and bkid, they got bdiz and Korok and now bkid is apparently coming back (chu is gone for good for League of Legends until Dota 2 comes out).
On May 31 2011 03:00 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:51 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while. SK's HoN players are not contracted however. They do not have any salary. But yeah, they have some good players there.
How sure are you of this? Maybe not ALL their players have salaries but I could have sworn that they were contracted, or at least some of them are.
On May 31 2011 08:26 mole wrote:
The last year of CS1.6 with Swedish 1.6-teams have been so fun to watch/read.
After not placing well in a couple of tournaments
'We got this new player 'Y' he will now be replacing 'X' because 'X' hasn't been performing that well.'
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Ok the player 'Y' didn't fit in socially so we are replacing him with 'Z'.
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Uhm.. the team didn't have time to practice that much with 'Z'.
Rinse and repeat, L2Na'Vi and stick with one team and play alot!
Navi also had the ability to all live under one household for over a year and having Arbalet as their sponsor. Nevertheless it is my opinion that they are still the greatest team of all time, and yes that includes 2003 SK and the old NiP and 2009 Fnatic teams.
And to those asking how to view a replay you need to put the demo into your /steamapps/yourusername/cstrike folder and then type into the console viewdemo "demonamehere.dem"
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On May 31 2011 09:01 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:54 Shana wrote:On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console? Press '~' says it could not load file, so idk
make sure the demo file is in the cstrike folder
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On May 31 2011 10:21 Zlasher wrote:
SK's HoN players are not contracted however. They do not have any salary. But yeah, they have some good players there.
How sure are you of this? Maybe not ALL their players have salaries but I could have sworn that they were contracted, or at least some of them are.
Expecting these quote tags to fail... anyway, i can say that it's quite likely they aren't contracted. As an ex-SK employee i can confirm that the G7 had an agreement to not pay any WoW teams. Obviously that's a different game, but they definitely have form for that kind of thing. The way staff (players, writers, whatever) are treated by most esports organisations - at least in the West - is a joke.
Also, column i wrote on this subject: http://rakakaworld.com/index.php?newsID=306 Pretty much saying what has been said here; SK and Fnatic are not the centre of the earth that they used to be.
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