On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest.
I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer.
It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red).
There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever.
and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca)
So your argument is that causing danger is ok as long as there are no consequences. Same way we could just not punish those people who drive under the influence of alcohol or overspeed but don't happen to kill anyone.
<-- mourinho is being a bad loser, what is up with him and his press conferences? In the press conference mourinho also said, that barcelona won the last cl on a shamefull way and that they are going to win it on a shamefull way again (regarding to his point of view on partiality)
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2011 01:38 Akamu wrote: "Slow-motion replays of the tackle on Alves show that not only did Pepe make contact with the ball, he made none with the Brazilian." Congrats to Dani Alves and Barcalona for relying on acting to win soccer games and anyone else who thought that red was warranted.
Having contact is so completely unimportant. Learn the rules.
Just for the record - I DO think some (a lot) of Barcas players should get a yellow card for diving / acting / complaining to the ref. But sadly - there is this stupid thing called "decisions based on facts" (Tatsachenentscheidung in German) which prevents punishment in a lot of cases.
i dont understand your thinking here. Learn the rules? I've played soccer my whole life i know the rules. And having contact is totally important! how can it not be? He went studs first but the studs were also down, not up. Which is a huge difference. He played the ball first. Which also is in the "rules."
And your contradicting yourself here at the end. You argue to "learn the rules" but then go against that and admit that Barca's players dove/acted/ whatever you wanna say and that thats okay because of there no fact to it? please. I know the ref has a hard job but come on. Did you see the video with all the face grabbing? even in hindsight that looks pretty obvious to me. What more facts do you need?
Yeah - studs down to hit the leg better.... They were at a ~90° degree. "Ball first" doesnt matter - again - since it's the act of accepting the injury of a player. It is applicable in some situations - but the red was given for something else.
Hmm the second part. Maybe I misworded. If something against the rules isnt spottet by the ref then it can later be punished by certain councils. If the ref sees it and doesnt punish it for whatever reason (or only gives a yellow instead of a red) - it is ruled as a "Tatsachenentscheidung" in Germany (following FIFA rules) and cannot be punished (or it is way harder to punish) at a later stage. Since Stark obviously saw the incident (he booked Pepe) and didnt book Alves at the same time this falls under this kind of circumstance. So punishing Alves for diving now in hindsight is a lot harder as when Stark would've given him a yellow right away (and yes, I think he should've given one).
But this would lead into a "video evidence" discussion again.
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest.
I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer.
It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red).
There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever.
and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca)
So your argument is that causing danger is ok as long as there are no consequences. Same way we could just not punish those people who drive under the influence of alcohol or overspeed but don't happen to kill anyone.
Come on...
Do we punish people who overspeed as heavily as manslaughter?
If only in football we had some kind of way to reprimand a player without sending them off...
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest.
I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer.
It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red).
There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever.
and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca)
So your argument is that causing danger is ok as long as there are no consequences. Same way we could just not punish those people who drive under the influence of alcohol or overspeed but don't happen to kill anyone.
Come on...
Do we punish people who overspeed as heavily as manslaughter?
If only in football we had some kind of way to reprimand a player without sending them off...
That's not the point Im trying to make. The rules application isn't dependant on the consequences but the act itself is all I was trying to say.
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2011 01:38 Akamu wrote: "Slow-motion replays of the tackle on Alves show that not only did Pepe make contact with the ball, he made none with the Brazilian." Congrats to Dani Alves and Barcalona for relying on acting to win soccer games and anyone else who thought that red was warranted.
Having contact is so completely unimportant. Learn the rules.
Just for the record - I DO think some (a lot) of Barcas players should get a yellow card for diving / acting / complaining to the ref. But sadly - there is this stupid thing called "decisions based on facts" (Tatsachenentscheidung in German) which prevents punishment in a lot of cases.
i dont understand your thinking here. Learn the rules? I've played soccer my whole life i know the rules. And having contact is totally important! how can it not be? He went studs first but the studs were also down, not up. Which is a huge difference. He played the ball first. Which also is in the "rules."
And your contradicting yourself here at the end. You argue to "learn the rules" but then go against that and admit that Barca's players dove/acted/ whatever you wanna say and that thats okay because of there no fact to it? please. I know the ref has a hard job but come on. Did you see the video with all the face grabbing? even in hindsight that looks pretty obvious to me. What more facts do you need?
Yeah - studs down to hit the leg better.... They were at a ~90° degree. "Ball first" doesnt matter - again - since it's the act of accepting the injury of a player. It is applicable in some situations - but the red was given for something else.
Hmm the second part. Maybe I misworded. If something against the rules isnt spottet by the ref then it can later be punished by certain councils. If the ref sees it and doesnt punish it for whatever reason (or only gives a yellow instead of a red) - it is ruled as a "Tatsachenentscheidung" in Germany (following FIFA rules) and cannot be punished (or it is way harder to punish) at a later stage. Since Stark obviously saw the incident (he booked Pepe) and didnt book Alves at the same time this falls under this kind of circumstance. So punishing Alves for diving now in hindsight is a lot harder as when Stark would've given him a yellow right away (and yes, I think he should've given one).
But this would lead into a "video evidence" discussion again.
Im not saying it wasn't dangerous it clearly was. However the game is dangerous. The difference between a "clean" tackle and a broken bone/ankle/leg is often less than a second. You can stand firmly by the rules and say that Pepe's tackle was by nature illegal and dangerous but as we all see week in and week out the game isn't being ref'd or played strictly by the rule book.
You can't force that context to justify a wrong doing in this situation. Because unless they start calling all tackles or potential tackles strictly by the rule book this one stands out like a sore thumb. In my opinion it should not have been a card at all. Maybe a yellow for being dangerous but even then if Alves hadn't gone all Saw torture scene after there would have been no reason for a call anyway.
Your using the rule book word for word to rationalize what happened. In a perfect world that makes sense however thats no longer how the game is played or reffed. Whether thats right or wrong is a different topic. You never get punished for doing "illegal" tackles you get punished for missing and hitting the player. Which in the end... Pepe did not.
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest.
I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer.
It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red).
There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever.
and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca)
So your argument is that causing danger is ok as long as there are no consequences. Same way we could just not punish those people who drive under the influence of alcohol or overspeed but don't happen to kill anyone.
Come on...
Do we punish people who overspeed as heavily as manslaughter?
If only in football we had some kind of way to reprimand a player without sending them off...
That's not the point Im trying to make. The rules application isn't dependant on the consequences but the act itself is all I was trying to say.
Yes, but you made a terrible analogy. I hate that.
Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib.
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion.
Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler +
this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest.
I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer.
It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red).
There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever.
and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca)
So your argument is that causing danger is ok as long as there are no consequences. Same way we could just not punish those people who drive under the influence of alcohol or overspeed but don't happen to kill anyone.
Come on...
Do we punish people who overspeed as heavily as manslaughter?
If only in football we had some kind of way to reprimand a player without sending them off...
That's not the point Im trying to make. The rules application isn't dependant on the consequences but the act itself is all I was trying to say.
Yes, but you made a terrible analogy. I hate that.
Well those are an example of laws that are applied in the same way.
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
Was Villa that bad? I didn't really notice it (hey...it was possibly the most boring classico in history).
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
^This. FIFA should do something. Its embarrassing for all involved. This time it was more Barca players but as a Madrid fan im never proud to see Ronaldo or DI Maria go down falsely either. Something should be done.
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
Retroactively punishing someone would not be a good precedent at all. I remember when Eduardo was banned after the game for diving, there was a huge controversy over whether that was legitimate or not. The problem is you allow this to occur, people will start requesting all sorts of things (goals that were disallowed, goals that should have been disallowed, people being sent off, people that should have been sent off, yellow cards that should have occurred or should not have occurred). And that would make football even more political with everyone lodging complaints about everything. That would be too messy in my opinion.
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
^This. FIFA should do something. Its embarrassing for all involved. This time it was more Barca players but as a Madrid fan im never proud to see Ronaldo or DI Maria go down falsely either. Something should be done.
For me the biggest problem with it is the attitude behind it. If any striker has the ball and is surrended by defenders he will look for contact and fall, thats part of the game these days. You dont have to like it but it is . I am actually only really disgusted by the face touching and cries of agony, because there is nothing at all that justifies that behaviour. You want your opponent sent off by cheating and i honestly think that in severe cases it deserves a 1 game ban. Which has been given already at least once if anyone remembers the Rivaldo (i think ) ban after he held his face when an opponen threw the ball at his leg (if you dont know that one look for it its pretty funny xD ) And players will continue with this kind of behavior if there is no punishment .
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
Retroactively punishing someone would not be a good precedent at all. I remember when Eduardo was banned after the game for diving, there was a huge controversy over whether that was legitimate or not. The problem is you allow this to occur, people will start requesting all sorts of things (goals that were disallowed, goals that should have been disallowed, people being sent off, people that should have been sent off, yellow cards that should have occurred or should not have occurred). And that would make football even more political with everyone lodging complaints about everything. That would be too messy in my opinion.
This is a very good point and is probably why they don't retroactively issue cards or goals. But at some point they need to make an example of the diving. In big matches like this is disgusting and hurts soccer's rep especially in the United States where it's already not that popular.
On April 29 2011 02:22 AngryLlama wrote: Honestly though, why doesn't UEFA penalize Busquets, Alves, Pedro, Villa (and some on RM) for their play acting... I mean seriously, you see on the replays they are blatantly acting. It's cheating. :/ They might be the better team but they shouldn't have to stoop down to such unsportsmanlike conduct...
Retroactively punishing someone would not be a good precedent at all. I remember when Eduardo was banned after the game for diving, there was a huge controversy over whether that was legitimate or not. The problem is you allow this to occur, people will start requesting all sorts of things (goals that were disallowed, goals that should have been disallowed, people being sent off, people that should have been sent off, yellow cards that should have occurred or should not have occurred). And that would make football even more political with everyone lodging complaints about everything. That would be too messy in my opinion.
This is a very good point and is probably why they don't retroactively issue cards or goals. But at some point they need to make an example of the diving. In big matches like this is disgusting and hurts soccer's rep especially in the United States where it's already not that popular.
As i said before Rivaldo was banned for this : after the game i dont see any reason why that should not apply to barca - madrid
For the assholes that claim I am pro Barca because I want red cards for dangerous challenges, I hope Madrid wins next game. Nice underdog win and Mourinho is just too entertaining. And without Pepe they will have more fair play.
There were moments where Barca players could have done something similar. They got a foul against but no card. Should probably be yellow. But the difference is Pepe didn't pull back. The two Barca players I remember both pulled back when they realized they were too late.
Also, I don't understand how people dare to compare possible career ending tackles with diving. Craziness.
It seems the people that are Madrid fans here are bone breaking loving football fans. Well, there's probably no sport where more legs are broken, so I don't really know to which sport to direct you.
I really hate the culture around football. Damn hooligans.
On April 29 2011 02:46 Suisen wrote: For the assholes that claim I am pro Barca because I want red cards for dangerous challenges, I hope Madrid wins next game. Nice underdog win and Mourinho is just too entertaining. And without Pepe they will have more fair play.
There were moments where Barca players could have done something similar. They got a foul against but no card. Should probably be yellow. But the difference is Pepe didn't pull back. The two Barca players I remember both pulled back when they realized they were too late.
Also, I don't understand how people dare to compare possible career ending tackles with diving. Craziness.
It seems the people that are Madrid fans here are bone breaking loving football fans. Well, there's probably no sport where more legs are broken, so I don't really know to which sport to direct you.
I really hate the culture around football. Damn hooligans.
He didn't pull back because he had a right to play the ball. Which he won and didn't touch Alves. There are potentailly career ending tackles everyday made at every level. This may have looked bad but the fact of the matter is Alves blew it way out of proportion. Thats not gonna change. Don't come in here calling crazyness when your the one adding fuel to the fire.
No one here is wanting to see people legs broken. I have snapped my femor in half and wouldnt wish that on anyone. However i think everyone wants to see a well played game not tainted by unjust cards and diving.
As a neutral person who doesn't follow this "sport" fuck me was I disappointed. Maybe I was a victim of overhype when they said "THESE ARE TWO AWESOME TEAMS". I mean overall it was mostly players pretending to get fouled and one maybe two moments of mad skill. How in this modern world of lightspeed communication does this sport not use action replay for game changing decisions? Then the players might play football and act less.
Then I got sad that this is the most popular thing on the planet.
Edit: you know a sport is stupid when people are like "but if we enforced one rule, then we would have to enforce ALL THE RULES?!?!"
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