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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:48 Stimp wrote: ^ and so many people pull the UR A MADRID FAN BOY. For all the lovely tippy tappy football, barcelona showed AGAIN last night why some of us find it hard to like them. As much as you've posted in this thread defending points terribly, i'd say that's probably true with you even though you've said you're a Chelsea fan. Either way, i think it's safe to say that more people use the "you're a barca fan" card more than the other way around. I think you can clearly see this by now, yes? It seems like right now the trend is to hate on barca fans just because they believe they "blindly" follow them, which is far, FAR from the truth. It's because they play this sport we all love beautifully and no other team right now can even come close to them. And people mad, oh they very mad. I know I know, " THEY DIVE! THEY GET HELP BY REFS BLAH BLAH" But who is the better team? Who has more skill? Who has more chemistry? Who creates more amazing goals/plays? Answer those and there you will find the truth as to why people love barca so much right now. Because they play football awesome. Period. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:58 AngryLlama wrote: As much as you've posted in this thread defending points terribly. Which points? maybe I can clarify for you. Edit: People would see me as anti-barca cause I probably am. Definitely am. But there are people who agree with me on the stance towards barcelona which I won't get into right now. I might just get a bit irate when people bring up nonsense like 'leg breaking tackle' then defend it with really weird out of context arguments. Fulham - Bolton probably put up a better show last night. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
it's not important, but times you've drifted away from points being made, only to bring up something either irrelevant or something that does nothing to the convo. similar to your last post "and other people say madrid fan boy" it's like you have to have a point about EVERYTHING that is said that defends barca even in the slightest. A few times in this thread someone whos clearly a neutral and unbiased will say something positive toward barca or not even necessarily against RM per sey , only for you to come out and claim that they are a barca fan boy, which just makes it clear that you're not here to be objective. whatever though, i get it, you HATE barca. just wish some points could get into your head because it seems you have a "UR A BARCA FANBOY" filter up against any point made toward barca. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
On April 29 2011 00:59 nayumi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygmGIFz_EP0&feature=player_embedded amazing -__- Freakin' Pedro... not you too...  Fail. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
edit: I'm just gonna be happy when these farging classicos are over. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:21 Stimp wrote: Only thing I've said was 'not gonna argue with barca fanboys' edit: I'm just gonna be happy when these farging classicos are over. Here's a fanboy from 1. FC Kaiserslautern (fighting for staying in German Bundesliga): "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play." Serious foul play -> red card. Look it up. Only because other stupid refs dont give reds for those situation doesnt mean it isnt in the rules. Those other refs are bad refs. Not the ones who pull the red one out. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:21 Stimp wrote: Only thing I've said was 'not gonna argue with barca fanboys' Yeah exactly. To someone who was making a clear objective point to you. There was nothing fanboyish about his posts if i remember correctly. Anyway, it's no biggie, but i just wish people weren't so biased, both ways. I understand i have bias within myself as well, but as long as we try our hardest it shouldn't get to a point where when someone is trying to have a convo with us, we retreat to the "ur a fan boy blah blah" when it's really because we can't defend our own points. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion over it now, people say its yellow people say its red. I'm of the yellow persuasion. | ||
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Akamu
United States309 Posts
edited for source http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/blog/_/name/train_rob/id/6442172/football-play-acting-gone-too-far | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:38 Stimp wrote: I was just getting frustrated that the guy can't get it that there is no way that challenge was gonna break a leg. Alonso took a harder one, with studs up, to the chest in the WC final and he played the rest of the game. Don't think it even broke a rib. I don't think Pepe used excessive force or endangered Alves with the challenge =/ but ofc my opinion. Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2011 01:38 Akamu wrote: "Slow-motion replays of the tackle on Alves show that not only did Pepe make contact with the ball, he made none with the Brazilian." Congrats to Dani Alves and Barcalona for relying on acting to win soccer games and anyone else who thought that red was warranted. Having contact is so completely unimportant. Learn the rules. Just for the record - I DO think some (a lot) of Barcas players should get a yellow card for diving / acting / complaining to the ref. But sadly - there is this stupid thing called "decisions based on facts" (Tatsachenentscheidung in German) which prevents punishment in a lot of cases. | ||
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Khz
126 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:38 Akamu wrote: "Slow-motion replays of the tackle on Alves show that not only did Pepe make contact with the ball, he made none with the Brazilian." Congrats to Dani Alves and Barcalona for relying on acting to win soccer games and anyone else who thought that red was warranted. Source, The Onion? I mean honestly you can go watch a youtube clip and it's clear as day that there was contact. And the contact with the ball is irrelevant in this case. | ||
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Akamu
United States309 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:41 Zocat wrote: Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Jjb7VEH0#t=1m09s this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest. I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer. | ||
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Runnin
208 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:27 AngryLlama wrote: Yeah exactly. To someone who was making a clear objective point to you. There was nothing fanboyish about his posts if i remember correctly. Anyway, it's no biggie, but i just wish people weren't so biased, both ways. I understand i have bias within myself as well, but as long as we try our hardest it shouldn't get to a point where when someone is trying to have a convo with us, we retreat to the "ur a fan boy blah blah" when it's really because we can't defend our own points. IMO his posts were extremely fanboyish. He wants strict application of the rules (hope you get pulled over for being 1 mph/kph over the speed limit if you want rules to be applied this strictly with no concern for circumstance or common sense) to get Pepe sent off, but not to have the entire starting XI of Barca sent off in the first 10 minutes. They should each have gotten a yellow each time they got in the referee's face according to the rules, resulting in 11 red cards after the second Real Madrid foul. If you want absurdly strict application of the rules, then let's have it BOTH ways, not just yours. (This is at the Barca guy, not Llama, I realize it's worded poorly) As for football being a non-contact sport? That's not how the game has been for at least 50 years. Would I be a "better" fan of American football if I pushed to have the forward pass removed because that's how the game was invented? The game has evolved, deal with it. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:45 Akamu wrote: this arguement is no longer relevant. Yes, we all can see it looks bad. However, No contact was made... With Alves. He did a TERRIFIC job acting. There's no way around that. But you can't honestly be okay with that red coming because how it looked? No matter what side your on it ruined what was shaping up to be a good contest. I have sympathy for the ref and can't truely blame. yes red was harsh but if Alves hadn't acted like someone had just tore his leg off im sure the card wouldnt have came out. Its an embarrassment to soccer. It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red). | ||
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Akamu
United States309 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:41 Zocat wrote: Similiar tackle like Pepe's one can be seen at ~1:09. Studs first, straight leg. Hitting non-standing leg. And if you think the leg at ~1:13 is in a normal position and isnt broken: It is. Sure that guy has more speed compared to Pepe (sliding tackle) - but saying that there is "no way of a broken leg" is just wrong + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Jjb7VEH0#t=1m09s Having contact is so completely unimportant. Learn the rules. Just for the record - I DO think some (a lot) of Barcas players should get a yellow card for diving / acting / complaining to the ref. But sadly - there is this stupid thing called "decisions based on facts" (Tatsachenentscheidung in German) which prevents punishment in a lot of cases. i dont understand your thinking here. Learn the rules? I've played soccer my whole life i know the rules. And having contact is totally important! how can it not be? He went studs first but the studs were also down, not up. Which is a huge difference. He played the ball first. Which also is in the "rules." And your contradicting yourself here at the end. You argue to "learn the rules" but then go against that and admit that Barca's players dove/acted/ whatever you wanna say and that thats okay because of there no fact to it? please. I know the ref has a hard job but come on. Did you see the video with all the face grabbing? even in hindsight that looks pretty obvious to me. What more facts do you need? | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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Akamu
United States309 Posts
On April 29 2011 01:50 Zocat wrote: It doenst matter that he acted that way. Imagine a high kick which would tear your head off (ok for real: lead to serious injury) - but you're able to dodge. "Oh he didnt make contact therefore we shouldnt punish him". That's wrong and is against the rules. The red is for accepting that you would injure a player if you take on a challenge in such a way. Hitting / missing doesnt matter after that. Yes, Alves should get a yellow for diving (while Pepe would keep his red). Maybe we can even argue if the acting is "no sportmanship" which could lead to another yellow (-> red). There is a huge difference between a dangerous play (which you are talking about) and a tackle. Most tackles are by nature, dangerous. Its part of the game. You can't punish players for going for 50/50 balls. And it does matter in this situation that Pepe didn't make contact. Imagine him winning that ball like he did and Alves not screaming fake bloody murder? what would happen? I'll tell you... Nothing! play would have gone on and there would have been no card, no call and no impact what so ever. and THAT is why it matters. Because in the end. The call was wrong. And the game suffered because of it. Everyone loses. (except Barca) | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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