On September 14 2011 22:41 Aristodemus wrote: While I am a fan of Hamilton and yes I am English that just seems a foolish point to debate. Here is the rule : Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted
I could quite a raft of drivers comments saying how what Sxhumacher did was out of order, but that would turn into a very long post.
But I guess its just me, yeah right. The guy has been cheating his whole career as I pointed out in another post. I can only imagine what this forum would be like if Lewis had done a fraction of what Schumacher has. This was penalised for blocking.
On another note, Vettel made an offical complaint to the stewards about Alonso forcing him off even though he decided to take to the grass unlike Hamilton who was forced off. Did Lewis use his platinum card to complain? No.
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You have been following formula 1 very selectively it seems. Whatever Schumacher did during his career was not even close to the stunts Senna and the likes pulled during their careers. Senna literally forced his opponents to make a choice. Either stay behind him or crash into him. Yet his maneuvers are not nearly as controversially discussed as Schumacher's.
I never claimed Senna was an angel, I didnt even mention him. Maybe I should post a full and complete history of F1 in every post for it to be a valid point. I would disagree with you saying Senna was worse than Schumacher though, perhaps you could let me know who "the likes" refers to also. You completely missed the point of my post however, and everything I said was true.
You claimed that Schumacher gets some kind of special treatment, which is wrong. You also claimed there would have been different reactions if Hamilton had done the same. Ultimately no one can know for sure but imho that was also wrong. Further you claimed that Schumacher had been cheating his whole career. That is clearly wrong too.
So no, not everything of what you said was true. In fact I would argue that nothing of what you said was true, except the drivers' names maybe.
Point out where I said Schumacher gets preferential treatment. If you dont think Hamilton gets more stick in this forum than anyone else you are blind or it isnt your honest opinion, some people in here were blaming him for the Maldonado incident. You cant look back on his career and say he hasnt been guilty of cheating numerous times either. I guess YOU will though. Now that is selective viewing.
On September 14 2011 22:41 Aristodemus wrote: While I am a fan of Hamilton and yes I am English that just seems a foolish point to debate. Here is the rule : Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted
I could quite a raft of drivers comments saying how what Sxhumacher did was out of order, but that would turn into a very long post.
But I guess its just me, yeah right. The guy has been cheating his whole career as I pointed out in another post. I can only imagine what this forum would be like if Lewis had done a fraction of what Schumacher has. This was penalised for blocking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hKWehjscd4
On another note, Vettel made an offical complaint to the stewards about Alonso forcing him off even though he decided to take to the grass unlike Hamilton who was forced off. Did Lewis use his platinum card to complain? No.
LOL
You have been following formula 1 very selectively it seems. Whatever Schumacher did during his career was not even close to the stunts Senna and the likes pulled during their careers. Senna literally forced his opponents to make a choice. Either stay behind him or crash into him. Yet his maneuvers are not nearly as controversially discussed as Schumacher's.
I never claimed Senna was an angel, I didnt even mention him. Maybe I should post a full and complete history of F1 in every post for it to be a valid point. I would disagree with you saying Senna was worse than Schumacher though, perhaps you could let me know who "the likes" refers to also. You completely missed the point of my post however, and everything I said was true.
You claimed that Schumacher gets some kind of special treatment, which is wrong. You also claimed there would have been different reactions if Hamilton had done the same. Ultimately no one can know for sure but imho that was also wrong. Further you claimed that Schumacher had been cheating his whole career. That is clearly wrong too.
So no, not everything of what you said was true. In fact I would argue that nothing of what you said was true, except the drivers' names maybe.
Point out where I said Schumacher gets preferential treatment. If you dont think Hamilton gets more stick in this forum than anyone else you are blind or it isnt your honest opinion, some people in here were blaming him for the Maldonado incident. You cant look back on his career and say he hasnt been guilty of cheating numerous times either. I guess YOU will though. Now that is selective viewing.
The majority of the people who commonly post in this thread are British, all of who worship Hamilton's every move.
Singapore sure is a great place, man they're doing everything right with that country. Hat off to them.
Race was good but not as good as some of the previous tracks, sadly. I was impressed with PDR and JB/Vet. They did everything right, great drivers.
My mancrush on Button is growing day by day, that guy is just such a class act. I hope his car gets more competitive next season (even though I dislike McLaren lol).
On September 26 2011 00:34 Asshat wrote: Hamilton is the most reckless driver in F1 by far. It's good that someone calls him out on it every now and then. He and Button are complete opposites of eachother. Button is just so clean and crisp.
On any given day, Button is also slower. That's the price you pay for being "clean and crisp" as you put it, you're smooth, but you'll never be the fastest. The fastest drivers will always be the ones that can drive on the edge, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, even Webber at this point.
And yes, you can argue that Button is beating Hamilton this season, and it's true, since Spa I think Button has driven better, but I don't think you can really read too much into that. Button seems to be genuinely excited at the prospect of coming 2nd in the championship, and still looks properly motivated, whereas Hamilton looks like he doesn't care anymore ever since it was essentially confirmed that noone would catch Vettel.
Of the two opinions, I'm more inclined to agree with Hamilton there, 2nd in the championship is first of the losers, and there really shouldn't be any respect given for finishing 2nd. Remember, Hamilton finished 2nd in his first ever F1 season, but the achievment of note is him winning his second season.
As for the Massa incident, I think Lewis handled that quite maturely, since I would quite happily seen him haul off and smack Massa in the face. When you do something as provocative as grabbing someone like that, you should be willing to face retaliation, cowardly of Massa to do it in front of cameras where he knew he would be safe and could get away with it.
On September 26 2011 00:34 Asshat wrote: Hamilton is the most reckless driver in F1 by far. It's good that someone calls him out on it every now and then. He and Button are complete opposites of eachother. Button is just so clean and crisp.
On any given day, Button is also slower. That's the price you pay for being "clean and crisp" as you put it, you're smooth, but you'll never be the fastest. The fastest drivers will always be the ones that can drive on the edge, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, even Webber at this point.
Fair enough, but of the aforementioned drivers, Hamilton gets involved in more "controversial incidents" per year than probably all of those three combined.
On September 26 2011 00:34 Asshat wrote: Hamilton is the most reckless driver in F1 by far. It's good that someone calls him out on it every now and then. He and Button are complete opposites of eachother. Button is just so clean and crisp.
On any given day, Button is also slower. That's the price you pay for being "clean and crisp" as you put it, you're smooth, but you'll never be the fastest. The fastest drivers will always be the ones that can drive on the edge, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, even Webber at this point.
Fair enough, but of the aforementioned drivers, Hamilton gets involved in more "controversial incidents" per year than probably all of those three combined.
He has been in a lot of incidents this year, true. But most of them have been borne out of frustration (Monaco, and today especially) due to situations where he has been pretty unlucky (his puncture in quali, and the fiasco at monaco) which means he's well down the rankings and fighting to overtake people he's much faster than. In that situation, I've seen plenty of top tier drivers, even Vettel, make silly mistakes and have just as many incidents (spa 2010).
I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes, because they ARE mistakes, but I also think this "Hamilton gets involved in incidents all the time" thing reeks of confirmation bias nowadays. Any incident involving Hamilton never gets looked at as a RACING incident, it's always a controversial incident because it was Lewis. Had the Rosberg/Perez incident involved Hamilton today, it would have been reported as a "controversial" incident. As it was, it was just a racing incident and no action was taken and it's not really talked about, despite it being far more serious and dangerous (in my view) than the Lewis/Massa incident.
Edit: It's also worth keeping in mind, just for reference, that when Button was Hamilton's age, he was a PR nightmare, doing massive amounts of coke in club bathrooms, cheating on girlfriends, and let's face it, not exactly driving brilliantly!
I guess there are more people who think there is something wrong with Hamilton's actions on track. And yeah, these people know what they are talking about..
On October 02 2011 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess there are more people who think there is something wrong with Hamilton's actions on track. And yeah, these people know what they are talking about..
On October 02 2011 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess there are more people who think there is something wrong with Hamilton's actions on track. And yeah, these people know what they are talking about..
On October 02 2011 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess there are more people who think there is something wrong with Hamilton's actions on track. And yeah, these people know what they are talking about..
Which two drivers do you think that will be? I think you can figure it out for yourself, do they know what they are talking about though.....
Does it really say there are two drivers requesting this? I thought nearly all other driver are in this. They have asked Charlie Whiting a permission to talk about Hamilton's driving together with Ham.
Well, it won't be ALL the drivers for a start. Button, Alonso, Schumacher, none of those will feel aggrieved, Button because he's a teammate, Alonso and Schumacher because they have been around a while and have done far worse themselves
Webber has done some incredible overtakes this year, with some massively risky maneuvers. I can't see him having a problem with "aggressive" driving.
Vettel has won the championship, he won't care.
Rosberg, Sutil and Kovalainen are all friends of Hamilton and respect him so they wont.
Kobayashi is just as aggressive when he has the chance.
Now we're left with the rookies and the have-nots. Trulli and Barrichello might speak up but I would have thought there were far too old and wise to get involved in something like this.
Trust me, the people championing this cause are going to be the people who complain the loudest, Massa and Maldonado.
On October 05 2011 00:01 NikonTC wrote: Well, it won't be ALL the drivers for a start. Button, Alonso, Schumacher, none of those will feel aggrieved, Button because he's a teammate, Alonso and Schumacher because they have been around a while and have done far worse themselves
Webber has done some incredible overtakes this year, with some massively risky maneuvers. I can't see him having a problem with "aggressive" driving.
Vettel has won the championship, he won't care.
Rosberg, Sutil and Kovalainen are all friends of Hamilton and respect him so they wont.
Kobayashi is just as aggressive when he has the chance.
Now we're left with the rookies and the have-nots. Trulli and Barrichello might speak up but I would have thought there were far too old and wise to get involved in something like this.
Trust me, the people championing this cause are going to be the people who complain the loudest, Massa and Maldonado.
I don't have any actual information, but I guess we'll see that this weekend. :D
Only just watched it now but what a fucked up call by McLaren, Red Bull and Mercedes, it cost Hamilton a certain pole imo. It was somewhat a rude pass but you cant blame Webber for that because he needed to do it. All three teams caused that situation. Seems strange what they did for tyres too, using the same ones for q3 as q2 on the first run. Leaving a brand new set untouched, I scratch my head at the logic really but everyone did it so I guess it is justified. That AGAIN hampers Hamilton for tomorrow (in his first stint atleast) as he will start on very worn tyres. Some fucker has a Lewis Hamilton voodoo doll I swear
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