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Nikon, Alonso gave up in frustration on catching Jenson.
Vettel's last lap was 1:39.605 - wait, what is this I don't even?
Lotus P14, caught both Sauber. (!)
di Resta in the points. Sutil not, once again. It's 27-21 points for Sutil now, hope di Resta catches him in the remaining races. Stupid German media was always all over Sutil's performance vs. others, when, in fact, his teammates were always driving 2nd grade Force Indias. I frikking hate the German F1 coverage, in 2009 they went that far that they were hoping and cheering for Jenson to crash (!!!) in the last remaining laps in Brazil so Vettel would have become champion. They deserve to be punched in the face really hard. Sorry, Adrian, but I'm with Paul here.
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On October 16 2011 16:50 Lachrymose wrote:
Yeah, great job by Hamilton to go faster in straight lines than Webber. Excellent driving.
Was this sarcasm? It's difficult to tell.
On October 16 2011 16:52 zere wrote:
Nikon, Alonso gave up in frustration on catching Jenson.
Yeah, I get what he meant. I was more exclaiming in disbelief that Alonso would say something like that.
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On October 16 2011 16:50 Lachrymose wrote:
Yeah, great job by Hamilton to go faster in straight lines than Webber. Excellent driving.
Bitter one aint ya  Vettel didnt take long to get past with his vastly superior car even without DRS, face it Webber got owned today by Hamilton.
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On October 16 2011 16:50 Lachrymose wrote:
Yeah, great job by Hamilton to go faster in straight lines than Webber. Excellent driving.
Are you implying somehow Mark Webber did a better job than Hamiltion by going around the same course as him in a much faster car and failing to over take him?
I like Mark Webber by the way I just thought you’re post was a bit bitter.
I was very entertained by the spectacle of the Korean prime minster and other dignitaries presenting the drivers with the trophies and then standing there looking confused wondering what happens next. A question promptly answered by Mark Webber spraying them all with champaign.
edit:dam beaten to it.
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Such a dark day today  English racer Dan Wheldon has been killed in an accident in the Las Vegas round of Indycar. Im so fucking sad right now, RIP Dan.
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On October 17 2011 08:22 Aristodemus wrote:Such a dark day today English racer Dan Wheldon has been killed in an accident in the Las Vegas round of Indycar. Im so fucking sad right now, RIP Dan.
I don’t follow Indy car in any way shape or form but it’s of course always very sad when someone dies whatever the circumstances. It's kind of excepted as part of the sport that this kind of thing happens and everyone knows what they do is dangerous. At least in the last few years motor racing around the world has had a steadily increasing safety record so this kind of thing happens a lot less often. Formula one has an excellent record with no one dieing since that fatal weekend that took Sena and the other guy I can't remember the name of.
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A few points to be made/discussed before the inaugural Indian GP.
First, Petrov recieved a 5 place grid drop for his incident with Schumacher which I found harsh considering Schumacher did the exact same thing to Perez and recieved no such penalty. He even said himself it was just a racing incident, and I guess more understandable considering he was side by side with Alonso at the time.
America will be getting a second race from 2013 in New Jersey, which I like. However, it seems it will be a dull track akin to the old Detroit circuit and very much unlike the Austin track which looks amazing.
Very strong rumours are circling regarding Adrian Sutil who has apparently been sacked from Force India. The team look set to name Hulkenberg and DiResta for next year. I find this harsh considering Sutil has out-performed DiResta this year, but I am very glad the the Hulk gets another chance in a fairly decent car, the guy has huge potential in my eyes.
Then there is Kimi...... he wants back in and apparently Williams want him too. I think this will be good for attracting sponsors but not much else. The guy didnt even go to the Australian rally because he didnt fancy a long flight. He doesnt give a shit anymore, pretty much since he won his title.
Lastly, Mercedes ran a very complicated front wing in practice at Korea that has all the teams worried. Only Whitmarsh has commented though, stating it may even be too late to copy for next year at this stage. If you are interested in it, check out this blog.
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/category/mercedes-w02/
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/update-mercedes-f-duct-front-wing/
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This indian track looks fantastic.. definitely looks like the most interesting modern built circuit to date.
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just hope it ain't as deserted as korea.
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Hamilton and Perez been given 3 place penalties for ignoring yellow flags
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INOFFICIAL 2011 TEAM LIQUID F1 CAPTION CONTEST!
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At first I thought fair enough just like Lewis for the penalty, however I think Perez and Hamilton can both feel hard done by. Both the steering wheel and trackside LED's showed green sector for what they were penalised but there is a directive that the drivers must obey stewards at all times. This first time steward obviously liked waving his flag and didnt want to stop resulting in the two drivers being penalised.
Maybe Jenson was a little fortunate too, but he is very clever I feel instantly complaining to his team (more importantly the FIA) about the HRT being too slow. Judge for yourselves, either way it was only three place drops which shouldnt hinder the two guys too badly.
http://vimeo.com/31262768
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Hamilton clearly had the corner what the hell is wrong with Massa he thinks he can just drive other cars of the road. To be fair if Hamilton had been more competitive in the first part of the race he would have over taken Massa in the pits and that incident would have never happened.
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Lets get this argument out the way now shall we?
Lewis fans: it was all massa's fault!
Lewis anti-fans: it was all lewis' fault!
Now, moving on...
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On October 30 2011 19:20 Greg_J wrote:
Hamilton clearly had the corner what the hell is wrong with Massa he thinks he can just drive other cars of the road. To be fair if Hamilton had been more competitive in the first part of the race he would have over taken Massa in the pits and that incident would have never happened.
Have to disagree with this, Hamilton was not far enough up and Massa is entitled to take the racing line into the corner. If anyone should have been penalised I think it should have been Hamilton, but the fact they gave Massa the drive through seems ridiculous to me. It could have been called a racing incident and that would have been fine.
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The Massa vs Hamilton colision the Stewards have alot more information take the japan issue they did not give hamilton or massa anything down to hamilton was taking the same line every lap, and massa should have not been on the left hand side. maybe the stewards saw something in the GPS data and steerring wheel traces that massa had turn in too sharp more than the last lap or so.
The big issue now is should the Ferrari's front wing be legal now that its flexing madly at the second DRS zone
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On October 30 2011 19:30 elsation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 19:20 Greg_J wrote:
Hamilton clearly had the corner what the hell is wrong with Massa he thinks he can just drive other cars of the road. To be fair if Hamilton had been more competitive in the first part of the race he would have over taken Massa in the pits and that incident would have never happened. Have to disagree with this, Hamilton was not far enough up and Massa is entitled to take the racing line into the corner. If anyone should have been penalised I think it should have been Hamilton, but the fact they gave Massa the drive through seems ridiculous to me. It could have been called a racing incident and that would have been fine.
I agree the penalty is harsh on Massa and it should have just been racing incident because Massa could have genuinely not seen him. But that really is the only defence Massa can possibly give as Hamilton clearly had track position and Massa just turned in on him. Racing would be so easy if everyone just got out your way every time. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that you need to be aware of where cars are on the road.
I’m fully aware that the same applies when Kobayashi and Hamilton collided when ever that was. Hamilton should have checked his mirror and not turned in on Kobayashi.
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I think Massa looked and seen Hamilton then turned in on him because he doesn't like him and it was a moment of rage
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Massa was definitely at fault this time around, but he has plenty of catching up to do if he wants to match Hamilton's boneheaded moves in this season.
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