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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On October 30 2011 19:50 Greg_J wrote: I agree the penalty is harsh on Massa and it should have just been racing incident because Massa could have genuinely not seen him. But that really is the only defence Massa can possibly give as Hamilton clearly had track position and Massa just turned in on him. Racing would be so easy if everyone just got out your way every time. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that you need to be aware of where cars are on the road. The trouble is almost EVERY incident this season should have been a "racing incident". They need to stop these bullshit calls time and time again. You don't gain anything by destroying your car so let it be. I know I've said this before but it's true. In times past drivers used to drive each other off the track. Go watch Mansell, Prost, Senna etc... they never yielded and that's what makes great racing. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06112011/58/ferrari-warns-f1-future-rules.html Basically, Ferrari's president is threatening to leave the sport if rule changes are not made in the near future. He wants the following changes: 1) Less focus on aerodynamics for car performance (he claims 90% of performance is attributed to aerodynamics). 2) Removal of testing ban that has recently been placed. He supports the effort of reduced costs, but says the ban has gone too far because new talent has no opportunity to be successful. 3) Adding another car to the top teams. He says that 3 cars per team would be beneficial to the overall competition and excitement of the sport since the lower teams just get lapped reguarly anyhow. Honestly, I think this is a little ridiculous. Ferrari is basically crying because they aren't competing in championships and now they threaten to leave because they can't face failure. I hope F1 doesn't give in and make changes. Ultimately, I think F1 could survive without Ferrari, but Ferrari could not survive without F1. I'm not even debating whether the changes would be good or bad, but to threaten to leave the sport because you can't have your way is ridiculous. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
2) The one team who have two private test tracks, one of which directly outside their factory want unlimited testing again? Shocking. Has nothing to do with new talent. 3) Herp derp 3 cars have more advertisement than two, this wont happen unless so many teams drop out and we have less than 14ish cars on the track. I dont want it to either. Ferrari always complain like a little baby until they get what they want. They already recieve 5% of F1 turnover as a bonus and until the latest concorde had a veto option for ANY rule change. I agree the FIA need to appreciate they have Ferrari by the balls, they can only go elsewhere if the other teams also want to. As I said a while back though, McLaren and Ferrari should just ignore the budget cap because Red Bull are cheating the system in my eyes with "Red Bull technology". That will see them where they should be again. | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
Initially I thought I could agree with the testing statement, but then again: There were 4 testing weekends for the teams prior to 2011's season, but I didn't see any young Ferrari driver taking part in these. There were Paffett for McLaren, and Teixeira, Razia, Valsecchi for Lotus (all of them very promising young guns who proved themselves in F2,RWS,GP2,DTM). Williams supports the F2 championship, Red Bull is heavily involved in sponsoring lots of lower Formula drivers, Renault even has a whole worldwide racing series of their own. And then again, what are the Young Driver Days for? I can see lots of teams giving young talents chances, just not Ferrari. Apart from that, there's going to be one additional testing week in 2012 anyway, between April 22nd (Bahrain) and May 13th (Barcelona). | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
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Vagabond
Scotland149 Posts
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
"Hamilton did not have a super season this year, who knows whether it was due to the Pirelli tyres or the fact that with blown diffusers now driving has changed," he explained. "On top of that, [Hamilton's team-mate Jenson] Button is having a great year. All of this concurred to give the impression that his season hasn't been so good. "But let's consider India, when he took second place in qualifying. It's like soccer: if Real Madrid or Barcelona are not performing particularly well on a given season, that does not mean that they're not top league. "In fact, at the next winter testing he [Hamilton] will be the only one I'll be watching closely. The other guys can win if they've got the best car; he's the one who's able to clinch a championship with a car that's not the best." | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Toro Rosso, who are still fighting around P6/P7/P8 in the constructors championship, where every gained position equals MILLIONS of income. Where is Bianchi? Where is Rigon? With 120 points behind McLaren and 180 points ahead of Mercedes, still not able to "give young talent an opportunity", Ferrari, you are pathetic. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
On November 13 2011 23:04 NikonTC wrote: Get Maldonado out of F1 right now. He gets a penalty for ignoring blue flags, then the FIRST THING he does when he gets back out is to hold up massa/webber, and he had the gall to try and intimidate webber on the way past... this, sickening by maldonado | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
The biggest disappointment was the lack of respect for blue flags, as the two guys pointed out Maldonado was a disgrace. Also Petrov and Barrichello were taking the piss, Petrov made Alonso follow him for the entire s3 which cost him a full second and Barrichello was passed then used the DRS to send one up the inside of Lewis. Today makes you realise how much better they normally are at this, even on tracks like Monaco. One more race left, will Seb break big Nige's race win record in Brazil? I believe he will but I dont want him to. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
Jean Eric Vergne 1:38.9 Red Bull Jules Bianchi 1:40.2 Ferrari Sam Bird 1:40.8 Mercedes Oliver Turvey 1:41.5 McLaren Max Chilton 1:41.5 Force India Gary Paffett 1:41.7 McLaren Esteban Gutierrez 1:42.0 Sauber Robert Wickens 1:42.2 Renault Fabio Leimer 1:42.3 Sauber Valtteri Bottas 1:42.3 Williams Johnny Cecotto Jr 1:42.8 Force India Mirko Bortolotti 1:43.2 Williams Kevin Ceccon 1:43.6 Toro Rosso Kevin Korjus 1:43.7 Renault Luiz Raiz 1:43.9 Lotus Rodolfo Gonzalaz 1:44.0 Lotus Alexander Rossi 1:44.2 Lotus Jan Charouz 1:44.4 Renault Stefano Coletti 1:44.5 Toro Rosso Dani Clos 1:45.3 HRT Nathanael Berthon 1:45.8 HRT Robert Wickens 1:45.9 Virgin Charles Pic 1:46.3 Virgin Jan Charouz 1:46.6 HRT Adrian Quaffe-Hobbs 1:47.2 Virgin | ||
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Vagabond
Scotland149 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Robert Wickens 1:42.2 Renault Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:44.515 Q3 Robert Wickens 1:45.9 Virgin God, the Virgin's awful. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On November 07 2011 23:44 Aristodemus wrote: 3) Herp derp 3 cars have more advertisement than two, this wont happen unless so many teams drop out and we have less than 14ish cars on the track. I dont want it to either. The other two ideas were trash.. but I actually like that one. If Vettel had another team mate this year wouldn't have been such a boring right-off. 3 drivers in the same car would definitely bring some more excitement. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On November 18 2011 01:16 zere wrote: Petrov (Renault) 1:40.919 Q2 Robert Wickens 1:42.2 Renault Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:44.515 Q3 Robert Wickens 1:45.9 Virgin God, the Virgin's awful. You cant really compare them to qualifying pace because the teams run for 3 laps only and turn up the engines on brand new tyres. The Virgin is indeed terrible though, looking at the times this week it appears worse than the HRT which shows how good a job Glock and D'Ambrosio have done this year. | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Having the same driver on the same track in the same week with nearly same conditions is about the closest real comparison we can get between two cars. Of course the Q-times are special, but it's about the relativity within the same session. I.e. it doesn't look much better in + Show Spoiler [P1] + Robert Wickens 1:42.2 Renault Grosjean (Renault) 1:42.685 P1 Robert Wickens 1:45.9 Virgin Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:48.024 P1 Wickens (Marussia-Virgin) 1:48.551 P1 Petrov (Renault) 1:41.947 P2 Robert Wickens 1:42.2 Renault Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:45.486 P2 Robert Wickens 1:45.9 Virgin This car just belongs into GP2... | ||
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:32 Bairemuth wrote: I found this article to be interesting: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06112011/58/ferrari-warns-f1-future-rules.html Basically, Ferrari's president is threatening to leave the sport if rule changes are not made in the near future. He wants the following changes: 1) Less focus on aerodynamics for car performance (he claims 90% of performance is attributed to aerodynamics). 2) Removal of testing ban that has recently been placed. He supports the effort of reduced costs, but says the ban has gone too far because new talent has no opportunity to be successful. 3) Adding another car to the top teams. He says that 3 cars per team would be beneficial to the overall competition and excitement of the sport since the lower teams just get lapped reguarly anyhow. Honestly, I think this is a little ridiculous. Ferrari is basically crying because they aren't competing in championships and now they threaten to leave because they can't face failure. I hope F1 doesn't give in and make changes. Ultimately, I think F1 could survive without Ferrari, but Ferrari could not survive without F1. I'm not even debating whether the changes would be good or bad, but to threaten to leave the sport because you can't have your way is ridiculous. It's old news now but I just wanted to weigh-in... 1) is silly, there have been things to focus on in past years besides aerodynamics (double diffusers, f-duct, then blown diffusers, kers, drs.) Ferrari are just annoyed they haven't been the beneficiaries of these revelations. I mean look at Red Bull, they've attacked everything from an alternative point of view when compared to Ferrari/McLaren and it's worked wonders for them... Saying 90% of performance is attributed to aerodynamics is probably true, but what do they expect with a frozen engine anyway? 2) I agree with this one, the testing ban has always been stupid, we need ways for new drivers to get seat-time, and for new technological advancements to be developed outside of the wind-tunnel... But this once again basically comes down to spending, how are the new teams expected to compete at all without the budgets to take advantage of in-season testing? 3) This is absolutely stupid really... If Ferrari wants more cars they should look at having a feeder team like Torro Rosso... I'm actually really surprised more teams haven't taken this approach. I would be more than happy to see the likes of HRT/Virgin replaced with Ferrari/McLaren funded teams that could actually compete at the current midfield level... Ferrari have a legacy with F1 that no one wants to see disappear, that's the crux of it really. If Ferrari leave, a part of F1 will be missing... No one wants to see them leave which is the problem. It's all just politics really (which is 90% of F1 off the track) they use them leaving as a bargaining chip, whether they actually do it or not time will tell (because 3 cars the other teams have already said flat-out "no" to.) My bet is that they will never leave, unless the sport practically implodes. | ||
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