On October 14 2011 01:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote: AH! new trailer out!
Gives much more insight into the story. Back to being excited for this game..
Yeah this just got me super hyped. I loved XIII so I already planned on purchasing 2, but I think I have more faith in this sequel, even if just for the story, than I did after x-2.
Vanille spotted (as a flash back it seems) near the end of the trailer! Woot.
Anyway yeah I'm excited too (though cautiously. Depends how SE treats my favorite character ever [Vanille] in the sequel >.>.)
Also if anyone did not know, here's preorder bonus for FFXIII-2 (note while it does say NA, seems to be US only :\).
(Preorder bonus is free DLC. Rest of the content will be available as DLC.)
As for the Final Fantasy episode i - Click for translated version. So don't worry if you can't get the best buy preorder bonus thing, it's already up on the internet fully translated.
Though I'm sure it'll be explained in the game too (the trailer basically explained what happened to Lightning which was from the episode i novella for example.)
Yeah I'm excited. FF13 is my *favorite FF actually (because of Vanille) so nice.
*While FF13 is my favorite, I wouldn't rate it higher (in terms of review scores for example) than certain other FFs To elaborate: + Show Spoiler +
(I'd say the gamespot score of FF13 getting an 8.5 is right. Basically the problem was it gets really grindy in end [farming turtles anyone?] + the monster encounters near the end are really tedious. Also it could use a bit more customization. Finally Vanille's Eidolon doesn't have Curaga for some reason despite all the others having it. Also Eidolons are really impractical [most of the time you're using it just for farming turtles or the poison trick. Other than that, it's probably faster just to battle without Eidolons since you'll deal more damage usually and you'd save TP.)
As for the whole game being linear (with no towns or NPCs) and basically being a tunnel simulator for most of the game - that's an understandable negative too.
(Also I have played every FF except 2, 3, and 14. Yep I played FF11 too [MMORPG]. So yes it's possible for someone who played the previous FFs to like FF13 even though I do know there are flaws and shortcomings but yeah - FF13 is my favorite thanks to Vanille)
For those who haven't completed FF13 yet, complete it for the sequel and because "this" is the final boss battle music in FF13 + Show Spoiler +
Yep you know you want to hear that in game. Though have fun with 3-5 minute monster battles in Chapter 12+ >.> (To make battles less tedious - get Sprint Shoes for all 3 of your characters once you reach Gran Pulse. You can get it by doing Mission 7 over and over until you get a crown. Upgrade it to star level [max]. Then dismantle it for Hermes Sandals and upgrade that to max then transmute/upgrade it to Sprint Shoes. Also get at least level 2 weapons. Sprint Shoes grants auto haste [for 1 minute] but most battles will last roughly that time or less thanks to the haste effect.)
I really can't tell whether you're being sarcastic about Vanille or not, personally I found her super hard to like and I thought that was the majoritys opinion as well. However I didn't really like any of FF13 characters par Lightning who was a level above the others at least.
Based on trailer the partys going to be split for most of the game again, Lightning seemed to be going solo a lot which seems pretty fitting for her. Hope shes actually a playable character in the traditional sense as my eyes didn't catch her in any of the normal battle scenes.
Also I swear spotted some mini-games which is a very welcome addition, one of the more enjoyable things in FF's but they have gone almost extinct in the more recent games.
Anyway still not very hyped and based on what I've seen so far won't be getting it on launch at least.
On October 14 2011 10:11 Vaelone wrote: I really can't tell whether you're being sarcastic about Vanille or not, personally I found her super hard to like and I thought that was the majoritys opinion as well. However I didn't really like any of FF13 characters par Lightning who was a level above the others at least.
Based on trailer the partys going to be split for most of the game again, Lightning seemed to be going solo a lot which seems pretty fitting for her. Hope shes actually a playable character in the traditional sense as my eyes didn't catch her in any of the normal battle scenes.
Also I swear spotted some mini-games which is a very welcome addition, one of the more enjoyable things in FF's but they have gone almost extinct in the more recent games.
Anyway still not very hyped and based on what I've seen so far won't be getting it on launch at least.
Not sarcastic at all.
Also according to a poll on another forum I visit, a third picked Vanille as their favorite in terms of personality (of course it seems everyone who didn't pick her as a favorite didn't like her :\.)
I'm fine with her voice (which I know many disliked.) [Her VA is Australian but sometimes she does say things with an American accent]
Finally I do like her personality. She may seem childish (wanting to run away, being easy going, etc) but she has a simple reason + Show Spoiler +
It's stated (I think it's from her narration during scene with her and Serah? Forgot exactly) she'd rather turn to a Cie'th than destroy Cocoon (her focus). So basically don't do anything and wait for the end.
It makes sense to me - in universe the options seemed hopeless [two options - kill or "get killed"], she tried choosing the latter but in the end they all took some third option and managed to save Cocoon and complete their Focus.
Also if it helps makes sense - Penelo was my favorite in FF12 (well out of the FF12 cast that is) and her personality is sort of similar (perky, etc.)
As for why she's my favorite of all time? Well one reason is that her character really got to me in the game + Show Spoiler +
It started with her narration. She seemed sad overall) + her scenes with her crying, + <insert more sad scenes featuring Vanille>. Made me want to hug her <3. (Yes I know some may feel the opposite )
Is it just me, or is the voice acting for FF XIII and XIII-2 horrible, but awesome at the same time? And with Lighting going solo ---> beast mode! Hope she's a playable character.
I remember being pumped for a lead female badass, but to me lightning turned to just be a cold annoying bitch(I've played only about 5 hours in and couldn't play anymore).
I'm looking forward to XIII-2 where they return to a traditional male+heroine lead.
My personal fav was ffX, the love story and ending just make me zoicuzlk;cjz;lkcjasdl;a. Can't wait for there HD remakes..
Edit: I just realized SnowxSerah so there goes my love story =_=
@CaffeineFree-_-: Lightning gets much better later on in the story (she becomes a lot nicer to others and starts to the view the others as family/friends later)
On October 14 2011 10:11 Vaelone wrote: I really can't tell whether you're being sarcastic about Vanille or not, personally I found her super hard to like and I thought that was the majoritys opinion as well. However I didn't really like any of FF13 characters par Lightning who was a level above the others at least.
Based on trailer the partys going to be split for most of the game again, Lightning seemed to be going solo a lot which seems pretty fitting for her. Hope shes actually a playable character in the traditional sense as my eyes didn't catch her in any of the normal battle scenes.
Also I swear spotted some mini-games which is a very welcome addition, one of the more enjoyable things in FF's but they have gone almost extinct in the more recent games.
Anyway still not very hyped and based on what I've seen so far won't be getting it on launch at least.
My previous post about Vanille (didn't quote whole thing due to length)
I just like to add a few things why I love Vanille, why she is my *favorite character of all time, and why I kind of don't understand the "hate" for her (sure dislike but people just outright hate her which makes me sad ).
*Edit - Adding onto previous post that is (that is she really got to me with her story, narration, etc).
First lets talk about her voice since this one I can sort of understand - Some may not like her voice.
Now as for her character and personality - She just made the most sense to me: [Warning - Much text below. Actually this is basically the same thing as my previous post but longer with some extra details] + Show Spoiler +
1. Like I mentioned earlier - She's chooses to become a Cie'th rather than destroy cocoon. *In universe, it makes sense because the options seem hopeless [kill or "be killed".]
*I say in universe because we know how every Final Fantasy (or in general most games where you play a good guy) end - you save the world somehow despite all the odds. The characters do not know this however[Well at least Vanille didn't know.]
So her whole seeming childish thing or wanting to run away is justified IMO - She doesn't really think everything is all "sugar and rainbows" but she knows the reality of the situation [grim, seemingly hopeless, etc].
Additionally she doesn't really want to bring others into her despair (for example - She lied to Fang and said she was the one who became Ragnarok and destroyed/killed all those people. She had good and thoughtful intentions IMO.)
An important thing to note is that Fang had a white brand which meant she couldn't turn into a Cie'th (Fang and Vanille knows this. Fang mentioned it to Lightning the first time they met.)
So it's not like Vanille didn't care about Fang either, she knew Fang would be all right even if they didn't complete their Focus (Destroy Cocoon).
She also knew Fang would be willing to do anything to save her (Fang says this exactly) which is why she lied to her (lied about forgotten their Focus. Fang forgot but Vanille remembered their Focus was to destroy Cocoon).
So since (this is the summary/condensed version): a. Vanille doesn't want to destroy Cocoon (she doesn't want to harm anyone) b. She feels there are only two options - wait to become a Cie'th or destroy Cocoon. She doesn't want to hurt anyone, so she picks the latter. Again in universe it makes sense [they don't know they'll end up saving the world and saving themselves at the same time, so yeah.] c. She knows Fang will be alright even if they don't complete their Focus. Fang can't become a Cie'th.
So taking into the account of the above - Vanille hides her despair with her cheerfulness and waits to become a Cie'th (rather than destroy Cocoon).
2. Additionally she is shown to be kind and thoughtful (her hugging Hope when Hope lost her mother, her reassuring Snow about Serah really wanting to save Cocoon, etc).
She also isn't one to actually run away. She blames herself and is ready to face punishment for it "despite" it not actually being her fault at all.
She had a good intention but her actions (or her just being passive and waiting for the end) is what caused the events of FF13.
[Long background stuff about FF13's world and story and stuff]
They live in a crappy world where they're slaves to the fal'Cie [them being able to brand anyone a l'Cie any time to do their bidding (if they don't, someone else gets it and the person gets turn into a Cie'th. If they do they have to kill others[Pulse fal'Cie Focus] then may be called to do "another" Focus later on.] so it's really a lose-lose situation.
Vanille doesn't know that if she doesn't complete her Focus, someone else will be branded to do it instead.
So Serah ends up being branded a "Pulse l'cie" to replace her.
There are two types of l'Cie - Pulse and Sanctum l'cie. The former is bad (because Gran Pulse is viewed as bad by Cocoon) but the latter is less bad since it's origin of Cocoon rather than Gran Pulse. Cocoon inhabitants generally hunt down Pulse l'cie but not Sanctum l'cie.
In either case, even if they complete their Focus (turn to Crystal), they can be turned back into non crystal form and be given a new Focus (what happened to Vanille and Fang).
Dajh became a Sanctum l'cie which is different he was branded due to Fang attempting to attack a Cocoon fal'Cie. Dajh wandered by alone [Sazh wasn't paying attention >.>] and the fal'Cie branded Dajh a Sanctum l'cie with the ability to detect Pulse l'cie [All the other characters were branded "Pulse l'cie])
[//////End Long background stuff]
So anyway it wasn't really her fault any of this really happen (it all comes back to they live in a crappy world) but her intentions overall were noble and selfless.
(Before anyone says they now view Vanille as a Purity Sue [variant of a Mary Sue] - take note everyone acts the opposite towards her in game (Everyone is kind of "harsh" with Vanille in story [sadly IRL too >.<] which doesn't fit with the TVT definition of Purity Sue).
Well anyway that's why I find her the most likable (her personality + the story made me really care about her) and that's why she's my favorite character. In general, I love everything about her (IMO, I thought her VA did a great job).
Though if you disliked the way Vanille sounded, don't blame her VA (Georgia van Cuylenburg) as she was told to act that way (sounding perky, cheery, etc.) + they also purposely choose an Australian VA for Vanille (sort of a joke on Gran Pulse and Australia being "down under") (Georgia van Cuylenburg is nice actually )
On October 15 2011 06:33 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: Any idea what the booklet you guy from preordering from bb looks like? Or the alt costume? Can't find any -_-
The story can be read here. As for what it looks like - In the Japanese version, there isn't really any art either (just a plain pic of Lightning on the front and nothing else I think). English version may different.
As for the alt costume and other stuff, they'll be later available as DLC. If you want to collect stuff, I'd suggest best buy since the other two will be available as DLC. Though if you don't care about the book, the link has the entire story translated from the Japanese version (it's really short but yeah all of it is translated).
If you're unsure, I guess safe is just to preorder from Best Buy and get the other two preorder bonuses through DLC (if you have internet connection for your PS3 or 360).
The DLC is paid though not sure how much (maybe $1-2 for alt costume)?
You proved your love Goldfish but I still don't like her!
I've usually had a fairly neutral opinion about the perky characters in FF's before Vanille (Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku, Penelo) but I just can't like Vanille, might be that those four kind a just were there and didn't prove to be a huge annoyance but they just had to make Vanille the narrator and so on.
Though like I said I didn't really like any of the characters other than Lightning whom I might actually remember in a few years.
On October 14 2011 13:44 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: Edit: I just realized SnowxSerah so there goes my love story =_=
I always thought that romance seemed so weird and out of place. Wakka x Lulu anyone...
Oh it's just text? Bleh idc about that then. I read in silicon that the asian version will have jap VA with eng subs...tempted to do it but I'd have to wait for shipping etcc for it...
On October 15 2011 09:15 Vaelone wrote: You proved your love Goldfish but I still don't like her!
I've usually had a fairly neutral opinion about the perky characters in FF's before Vanille (Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku, Penelo) but I just can't like Vanille, might be that those four kind a just were there and didn't prove to be a huge annoyance but they just had to make Vanille the narrator and so on.
Though like I said I didn't really like any of the characters other than Lightning whom I might actually remember in a few years.
On October 15 2011 09:19 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: I read in silicon that the asian version will have jap VA with eng subs...tempted to do it but I'd have to wait for shipping etcc for it...
That sounds awesome thanks for pointing it out, I always roll with the original voice track whenever possible but I've never had this option with FF's.
Definitely have to go with import version it if/when I do end up buying it eventually. Think I found the article you mentioned as well.
Incredibly pumped for this! New soundtrack, new world, enhanced battle system, more characters!
As a long time FF fan, I try to empathize with the people who hated on FF13. Hard to dislike this though, Square Enix has really adjusted based on the negative criticisms. Not only that, but aesthetically, 13 looked AMAZING and this already looks even better.
Pretty sure my February 2012 calendar is only going to include FF13-2, peace out real world.
Re: the preorder bonuses, (http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/10/03_01.html) Gamestop or Amazon? I'd prob need a pic of the Serah skin to make this decision, otherwise special playable characters ftw.
On October 15 2011 10:10 PanoRaMa wrote: Incredibly pumped for this! New soundtrack, new world, enhanced battle system, more characters!
As a long time FF fan, I try to empathize with the people who hated on FF13. Hard to dislike this though, Square Enix has really adjusted based on the negative criticisms. Not only that, but aesthetically, 13 looked AMAZING and this already looks even better.
Pretty sure my February 2012 calendar is only going to include FF13-2, peace out real world.
Re: the preorder bonuses, (http://release.square-enix.com/na/2011/10/03_01.html) Gamestop or Amazon? I'd prob need a pic of the Serah skin to make this decision, otherwise special playable characters ftw.
I think this is going to be a disappointing game. Don't get me wrong, i love XIII, and i think this is going to a good game, but it will still leave some unsatisfying after you finish it, at least that's what i feel after watching the trailers
I was pretty hyped for this game up until the most recent trailer. Now I have mixed feelings since i feel the plot looks a lot more complex than i thought it was going to be. I really hope that they make it work out in the end.
edit: but on the plus side, the world and battle system look attractive. Those still have me somewhat excited.
On October 14 2011 13:44 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: I remember being pumped for a lead female badass, but to me lightning turned to just be a cold annoying bitch(I've played only about 5 hours in and couldn't play anymore).
I'm looking forward to XIII-2 where they return to a traditional male+heroine lead.
My personal fav was ffX, the love story and ending just make me zoicuzlk;cjz;lkcjasdl;a. Can't wait for there HD remakes..
Edit: I just realized SnowxSerah so there goes my love story =_=
Snow and Serah was probably the worst in-game love story I have ever seen.
On October 14 2011 13:44 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: I remember being pumped for a lead female badass, but to me lightning turned to just be a cold annoying bitch(I've played only about 5 hours in and couldn't play anymore).
I'm looking forward to XIII-2 where they return to a traditional male+heroine lead.
My personal fav was ffX, the love story and ending just make me zoicuzlk;cjz;lkcjasdl;a. Can't wait for there HD remakes..
Edit: I just realized SnowxSerah so there goes my love story =_=
Snow and Serah was probably the worst in-game love story I have ever seen.
lol what story? their relationship was never focused on.
a bad example of an actual love story would be the liara+shepherd realtionship in Mass Effect.
On October 16 2011 09:45 blahman3344 wrote: I was pretty hyped for this game up until the most recent trailer. Now I have mixed feelings since i feel the plot looks a lot more complex than i thought it was going to be. I really hope that they make it work out in the end.
edit: but on the plus side, the world and battle system look attractive. Those still have me somewhat excited.
You mean the time travel thing? I am worried about that. It may be overly complicated (oh noes! We changed something in the past and now the future is really screwed!) but it may be something simple like Chrono Trigger (well before Chrono Cross made it all complicated).
On October 14 2011 13:44 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: I remember being pumped for a lead female badass, but to me lightning turned to just be a cold annoying bitch(I've played only about 5 hours in and couldn't play anymore).
I'm looking forward to XIII-2 where they return to a traditional male+heroine lead.
My personal fav was ffX, the love story and ending just make me zoicuzlk;cjz;lkcjasdl;a. Can't wait for there HD remakes..
Edit: I just realized SnowxSerah so there goes my love story =_=
Snow and Serah was probably the worst in-game love story I have ever seen.
lol what story? their relationship was never focused on.
a bad example of an actual love story would be the liara+shepherd realtionship in Mass Effect.
It was focused on (though depends on what you mean exactly). Remember in FF13 when:
(This isn't explained in game) but Snow and Serah met in University. I guess Snow wowed Serah with well maybe his theme music or something (okay probably with him being a nice guy overall and maybe funny . It isn't really explained how but Serah fell for Snow).
Anyway there were a few flashbacks showing Snow and Serah. The most prominent one is probably when Serah reveals she's a l'Cie to Snow. Snow believes her and comforts her (well after Serah ran away and Snow found her that is).
Lightning (Serah's sister) however did not believe Serah and thought she was making it up as an excuse for Snow and Serah to be together (Lightning didn't approve). Snow did however believe Serah and he always remained with her.
The reason Lightning did not believe her was that a "Pulse l'Cie" has never existed for centuries on Cocoon (Serah was the first one branded and caused the ruckus in Cocoon with the purge to Gran Pulse, etc).
(So overall Snow was the only one who believed and comforted Serah [well before the news reports made it obvious she really was a l'Cie later on to Lightning])
As for why did Serah become a l'Cie? This was due to Vanille and Fang being reawakened (they were brought by someone and hidden somewhere in Cocoon) to complete their Focus. When Vanille refused to destroy Cocoon/complete her Focus, one of the fal'Cie (Anima I think) branded Serah (who happened to close enough) so Serah could do it instead.
Finally as for Serah turning into a Crystal early in the game, it's revealed that l'Cie can change their Focus (though it takes a strong will + hope or <insert power of friendship and love speech here>).
Sure it wasn't focused on much but Snow did a lot in game to show his love for Serah and I think that's good enough to show them as a good couple.
Speaking of that, if anyone has any story related questions regarding FF13, feel free to ask. Most of the time stuff isn't really explained (you had to read the datalogs and sometimes stuff outside the games to figure everything out). Story is also basically covered on the Final Fantasy Wikia (wikia has ads if no adblock) but if you're wondering about something specifically feel free to also ask (since I read nearly everything already).