Elder Scrolls V - Skyrim - Page 398

On November 27 2011 02:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
there are two ways to play skyrim

1) use the bad balance and oneshot everything on the highest difficulty

2) get your ass handed by trash mobs on mid difficulty

both ways are no fun at all it feels like they sold an editor to the modding community and thats it. They rather should have used a smaller map less quests but balance the goddamn game or at least test it once to weed out the super stupid stuff before they release it.They put trainers that level you for gold all over the map but LEVELING IS A BAD THING especially as mage, all level ups do is increase your enemy hp/dmg but you get a lot less additional damage/hp and none extra damage as mage. Or you just rush for the imbalanced armors because forging is basically free, the fastest way to win the game is probably chop wood sell it and buy leather/iron make daggers enchant them sell it for 17557457k and have the daedran armor in like 2 hours take a random bow and oneshot everything.

Also i dont get it mages don't get additional damage at all - they dont have weapons and the damage doesnt increase if you level your char also its a fact that there is literally no loot for mages but 1 robe like 20h in the game even if you go to mage academy right after starting the mainquest.

i tested the game as mage/archer/ 1h melee (each one played over 15h archer about 40h),
I knew that they will probably release the game as a better beta version especially because they have to ship before d3 or they wont sell a single copy but i am disappointed by this piece of garbage they delivered.

but yeah has cool gfx

On November 26 2011 17:07 Caryc wrote:
dont go dremora lords :S my conjuration one handed (bound swords) melee char is now only watching them play skyrim

On November 27 2011 02:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
Also i dont get it mages don't get additional damage at all - they dont have weapons and the damage doesnt increase if you level your char also its a fact that there is literally no loot for mages but 1 robe like 20h in the game even if you go to mage academy right after starting the mainquest.

On November 27 2011 02:32 HaXXspetten wrote:

1) People trying to be best... at a single player game where you can abuse shit to become imba, + has a console to allow you to do anything

2) People trying to enjoy the game

On November 27 2011 02:34 Zanno wrote:
not true

mages get poisons of weakness to magic/element and fortify destruction

mages get less dps increases than one-handers do but melee combat is dangerous and if you go the enchanting route instead, mages can eventually get 0 mp cost spells

there are some things that i can see why people would cry about (like the main quest not being fulfilling enough) but complaining about gameplay balance in a singleplayer rpg seems ridiculous, not everything is starcraft bro

On November 27 2011 02:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
there are two ways to play skyrim

1) use the bad balance and oneshot everything on the highest difficulty

2) get your ass handed by trash mobs on mid difficulty

both ways are no fun at all it feels like they sold an editor to the modding community and thats it. They rather should have used a smaller map less quests but balance the goddamn game or at least test it once to weed out the super stupid stuff before they release it.They put trainers that level you for gold all over the map but LEVELING IS A BAD THING especially as mage, all level ups do is increase your enemy hp/dmg but you get a lot less additional damage/hp and none extra damage as mage. Or you just rush for the imbalanced armors because forging is basically free, the fastest way to win the game is probably chop wood sell it and buy leather/iron make daggers enchant them sell it for 17557457k and have the daedran armor in like 2 hours take a random bow and oneshot everything.

Also i dont get it mages don't get additional damage at all - they dont have weapons and the damage doesnt increase if you level your char also its a fact that there is literally no loot for mages but 1 robe like 20h in the game even if you go to mage academy right after starting the mainquest.

i tested the game as mage/archer/ 1h melee (each one played over 15h archer about 40h),
I knew that they will probably release the game as a better beta version especially because they have to ship before d3 or they wont sell a single copy but i am disappointed by this piece of garbage they delivered.

but yeah has cool gfx

On November 27 2011 02:48 Chibithor wrote:

I think gameplay balance is something that should always be taken into account, multiplayer or not. There's no reason to have such a contrast between warrior and mage, where as a one-handed+shield warrior I can faceroll everything I see, and as a mage any fight that's even slightly more difficult kicks my ass.

I still like the game, mind you. Kicking ass and getting my ass kicked both have their appeal, in a way, and lower difficulty with mage and higher with warrior works somewhat. Maybe I'm just playing a mage badly, that's entirely possible. But warriors are still OP.

in oblivion getting infinite mp (through 0 mp cost spells) ties up your enchants, while in oblivion the spells

On November 27 2011 02:58 Probe1 wrote:

You meant skyrim right?

On November 27 2011 02:59 daemir wrote:
So instead of enchanting, you could get "0" mana costs from alchemy.

On November 27 2011 02:59 daemir wrote:
Yea, poisons for mage damage scaling, so you need to grab some form of weapons, swing at the mob and deliver a poison before you can nuke it properly with your spells

how about melee characters all have to learn conjuration to summon their weapons before they can go melee :x

destruction scaling is non existant, actually all magic scaling is non existant. Illusion beats ass as you turn one overpowered mob to beat another and conjuration doesn't have time to get outdated as dremora lord's stats are so high, but destruction falls far from being as effective as you'd expect an archmage 100 skill toss out. Simply a perk / spell issue, they need to scale. Or needs to have gear that enhances the damage.

Everyone who finds a few mana potions have effectively 0 mp cost spells anyway as you can gulp instant effect potions while the game is paused. So instead of enchanting, you could get "0" mana costs from alchemy.

On November 27 2011 02:32 HaXXspetten wrote:

1) People trying to be best... at a single player game where you can abuse shit to become imba, + has a console to allow you to do anything

2) People trying to enjoy the game

On November 26 2011 20:20 Probe1 wrote:
Well I think it's fair to say we both have heavily tinted nostalgia goggles. You could argue about Morrowind having immense depth and more intriguing quests or Fallout 2 being the end all to all that will be or Final Fantasy ## is better than ##

But

What's important to me is whether I enjoy the games. Yeah, I liked Fo3. A lot. It felt good to go back to that story- even if it was told much differently with less violence and way more flippant humor. It was a different kind of nice and I enjoyed it all the same, even if I understand the lore followed in Blizzards footsteps and just threw everything out the window for a punchline. That'd my personal opinion and other has to agree.

Skyrim, however (on topic), doesn't strike me as that empty of a world and the Dark Brotherhood quest line and the Thieves Guild quest line are very character driven and at times engaging. Sure, it's not how I have memorialized the unquestionably brilliant plots of games I grew up with but it's not bad at all.



curreh: You validated my obsession with gold and made me another 50k before I felt sloth replace greed. :D


Fair point I could use that. I'll reload skyrim and check.
Edit:
1 Amulet of Articulation- no change
2 Amulet of Zenithar- no change
3 Potion of Fortify Barter- sells for full price

1. 5% speechcraft (at max already)
2. 10% better prices (5/5 in speechcraft perks)
3. 45% better prices for 30 seconds

On November 27 2011 03:03 Skilledblob wrote:


I dont see the problem. You whine about destruction not being enough alone but did you even think about that it might not be intended that you run around and just one shot everything with big ass fireballs?

You are a frickin mage so make use of the tools you are supplied with and this does include summons and illusion spells.

Weapon based characters dont have such a wide number of tactics they can rely on that's the reason why the weapons have to scale a bit.

On November 27 2011 03:11 daemir wrote:


I am not whining, I'm saying that magic doesn't scale and it should. As for mixing all possible spell schools at once, sure, once I'm level 40 with all the spells and perks in those trees, but casting say an expert level spell from a school that you didn't have perks in for mana reduce (or enchants) is gonna take far over half your mana pool.

If something in this game does one shotting, it's anything that deals physical damage combined with sneak, NOT anything magic related. And surprise, it's due to how sneak damage _scales_ from perks, something magic lacks.

Oh well, once the mods are out..

On November 27 2011 03:10 idonthinksobro wrote:
my text probably sounded very negative - but there are so many little things that add up to destroy the game for me. You can either abuse the mechanics and its impossible to lose. Or you cant engage more than 1 enemy at a time. I just don't get it. Also i hate the leveling system in the current way - i think it makes a lot of sense to level up skills individually but its stupid that skills like lock picking increase your total level making the enemys harder without you getting any aditional damage is just very weird.
So they add stuff like alchemy but using it a lot is a bad thing? Putting points into alchemy will make your char weak once finished - that just doesnt make any sense.

Also its so sad to see that 2 weeks after release a modder codes a decent interface - they probably worked like 10 years on skyrim and couldnt even create a proper interface?

The more i think about the more stuff comes to my mind that i didnt like about skyrim, there was stuff i liked too the bow training area was kinda fun and hard to find. Also inside the brain of crazy guy was kinda cool. But 99% of the game is just the same "kill someone, claim reward" and there is nothing to get anymore - 10h in the game you can already have the best gear and what is the point of going on afterwards?