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Ayestes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States106 Posts
November 17 2011 18:46 GMT
#6401
As far as I'm concerned, I won't stack Smithing / Enchanting / Alchemy together to make uber items. Not that I look down on it or anything, but I think the game would be too easy for me. I'm not going to combine Alchemy and Enchanting on my Smithing, nor use Alchemy to make Enchanting better or Enchanting to make Alchemy better. I figure just making a single Alchemy Pot that enhances Smithing is enough and a single Alchemy Pot that enhances Enchanting is enough. Might even just abandon having Lydia follow me too before I finish up the Main Quest.

I've really been enjoying my Archery, Sneak, Light Armor, Smithing, Enchanting, Alchemy focused character on Master difficulty. Archery was insanely hard to begin with and is extremely rewarding now. Now my home has basically treasure piles and gem piles that sparkle in the light. Just feels satisfying.
Would you kindly?
Zechs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom321 Posts
November 17 2011 18:50 GMT
#6402
I loved being a sneaky archer/rogue in Oblivion, but my compter has way too much graphics lag for archery to be effective in Skyrim Went for a dual-wield mace rogue instead, and have found sneak a LOT harder to use than it was in Oblivion. Then again, i've spread my perks out quite a bit so far and i'm only level 19 so i guess they're more important than i first thought.
Esports and stuff: zechleton.tumblr.com
acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
November 17 2011 18:52 GMT
#6403
On November 17 2011 16:31 CookieMaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 16:22 hysterial wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:25 SteemdRIce wrote:
Played this for about 30 hours already, and I personally feel it's a bit of a step back from Oblivion in a few respects, but also a massive improvement in others.

DISCLAIMER: Obviously everything is in my opinion

Improvements
  • It's got a much better immersion factor thanks to the new engine; animations are much less stiff, (fighting especially), and the conversations are a bit better.
  • It's a lot prettier; the engine upgrade really helped out here. The way spellcasting works is also a lot better in my opinion, but it does make playing a 2h warrior a lot more annoying than in Oblivion; not necessarily a bad thing.
  • The game 'feels' better; there are more people in the streets and the cities are lain out in a more interesting manner imo. Not every city has a wall around it, so you can see the differences between a fortress city and a city that's sort of 'evolved' from a town.
  • Third person view has crosshairs now :D
  • UI is more minimalist, despite being a lot more console-y; more below
  • The quests are a lot less padded; while good, it also means that they're a lot shorter than they were in Oblivion, the main quest especially. (The length of the Oblivion one in having to close all the freaking Oblivion gates was ****ing annoying though)
  • THE WATER IS SO PRETTY

Steps back
  • The UI. Oblivion's UI was far from perfect, but Skyrim's is worse in my opinion. You can see clearly that this was mostly a console port. The most annoying case of this is in dialogue/selling things and the level up system. If you miss the word of your character's name even slightly with the mouse it goes back to the previous dialogue screen. In the level up section, you have to hit 'enter' in order to select something to level up.
    The tab menu is more annoying. Splitting up quests from the tab menu as well as your stats and placing the two of those into the esc menu is quite annoying to say the least, especially when you're used to Oblivion's controls.
    The LMB/RMB display is WRONG on the inventory/magic/favourites screen. When you click LMB it displays [R] and vice versa. This gets really confusing.
  • Optimisation. While Oblivion was far from the most optimised game around, Skyrim feels a lot worse. I have a pretty beastly rig, but it still chokes up in some places; mostly interiors, oddly enough. I hope we can see a user mod to increase the optimisation on this

Things I wish they'd changed
  • Cities still don't feel big enough, and even though there are more people in the streets now, it still doesn't feel crowded enough.
  • Dual wielding is wonky in my opinion. I wished it worked more like some of the mods out there but I don't really care either way; I don't dual wield and I didn't dual wield much in Oblivion on those characters.

Despite all this though, I've been having a blast playing it, and getting to walk around Skyrim, which is a stark contrast to the surroundings we got in Oblivion. Not having to deal with Oblivion Gates is great too

Honestly, the true potential of Skyrim hasn't even been seen yet; I can't wait to see what the modding community throws out once they get their hands on the construction kit. (Apart from the nude mods -_-)

TLDR: It's a solid game, feels a lot like a console port, but you should buy it.


I pretty much agree with all your points. The UI is a little silly but I've got used to it because the rest of the game is too good. Good work.


I fixed it for you... this is how I do it:


+ Show Spoiler +
Play on Xbox


or play like I do.. with xbox remote on PC. You get the advantage of a more beautiful game with the smoothness of the ui designed for console remote.
Lewfen
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden88 Posts
November 17 2011 18:55 GMT
#6404
So I'm running a 2 handed guy with heavy armor and smithing right now, I was thinking of going enchanting as well but from what I read they seem to be terribly OP together, is there any other skill tree that would work good with 2 handing?
Xayoz
Profile Joined December 2010
Estonia373 Posts
November 17 2011 18:58 GMT
#6405
So got trough the dragonborn story as well as mage and imperium/stormcloaks ones.
Honesty, out of all of them, the main plot line was the least engaging one for me, I do like the final outcome of it tho.
Breton mage with no armor, destruction/alteration maxed (no crafting done what so ever) - quite fun this far, but I must say the lack of variety in offensive spells should be fixed
Loving the Dark Brotherhood atm, all Daedric quests are made of awesome as well (Ring of Namira - omnomnom! :D ).

What disappoints me the most is, how little impact the fraction stories actually have on the world. The city guards appear to be the only people who know what going on. I am apparently a Archmage of the College but every other mage I meet still treats my like a scrub and tells me I should 'check out the Winterhold if I am intersted in learning spellcraft'. I mean - WHAT???
I defeated the Stormcloaks ages ago but people are still talking how awesomely Ulfric is fairing.
Such thins are a bit irking to be fair but I'm sure someone will make a mod to fix them.

I'm somewhat regretful for rolling a mage as my first character tho as it would have probably been more fun to play it on the hardest difficulty once I got to my second run.
Meh. I do hope, playing a melee character is more entertaining than it appears as I will probably make some sort of Nord warrior next.
Whenever you correct someone's grammar just remember that nobody likes you.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
November 17 2011 19:01 GMT
#6406
I gave all my dragon bones & scales to lydia because they were so heavy (like 5-6 dragons killed) and told her to wait. Now i got a message that my follower had abandoned me. Does this mean i lost all my items? I haven't gone back to check yet cause busy with quest.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 17 2011 19:02 GMT
#6407
How are people dealing with mages? Whenever I run into a frost mage I die before I can get next to them so I just chug an invisibility pot and go sneak attack them. There must be some other way though ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 19:04:26
November 17 2011 19:03 GMT
#6408
On November 18 2011 03:52 acerockolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 16:31 CookieMaker wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:22 hysterial wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:25 SteemdRIce wrote:
Played this for about 30 hours already, and I personally feel it's a bit of a step back from Oblivion in a few respects, but also a massive improvement in others.

DISCLAIMER: Obviously everything is in my opinion

Improvements
  • It's got a much better immersion factor thanks to the new engine; animations are much less stiff, (fighting especially), and the conversations are a bit better.
  • It's a lot prettier; the engine upgrade really helped out here. The way spellcasting works is also a lot better in my opinion, but it does make playing a 2h warrior a lot more annoying than in Oblivion; not necessarily a bad thing.
  • The game 'feels' better; there are more people in the streets and the cities are lain out in a more interesting manner imo. Not every city has a wall around it, so you can see the differences between a fortress city and a city that's sort of 'evolved' from a town.
  • Third person view has crosshairs now :D
  • UI is more minimalist, despite being a lot more console-y; more below
  • The quests are a lot less padded; while good, it also means that they're a lot shorter than they were in Oblivion, the main quest especially. (The length of the Oblivion one in having to close all the freaking Oblivion gates was ****ing annoying though)
  • THE WATER IS SO PRETTY

Steps back
  • The UI. Oblivion's UI was far from perfect, but Skyrim's is worse in my opinion. You can see clearly that this was mostly a console port. The most annoying case of this is in dialogue/selling things and the level up system. If you miss the word of your character's name even slightly with the mouse it goes back to the previous dialogue screen. In the level up section, you have to hit 'enter' in order to select something to level up.
    The tab menu is more annoying. Splitting up quests from the tab menu as well as your stats and placing the two of those into the esc menu is quite annoying to say the least, especially when you're used to Oblivion's controls.
    The LMB/RMB display is WRONG on the inventory/magic/favourites screen. When you click LMB it displays [R] and vice versa. This gets really confusing.
  • Optimisation. While Oblivion was far from the most optimised game around, Skyrim feels a lot worse. I have a pretty beastly rig, but it still chokes up in some places; mostly interiors, oddly enough. I hope we can see a user mod to increase the optimisation on this

Things I wish they'd changed
  • Cities still don't feel big enough, and even though there are more people in the streets now, it still doesn't feel crowded enough.
  • Dual wielding is wonky in my opinion. I wished it worked more like some of the mods out there but I don't really care either way; I don't dual wield and I didn't dual wield much in Oblivion on those characters.

Despite all this though, I've been having a blast playing it, and getting to walk around Skyrim, which is a stark contrast to the surroundings we got in Oblivion. Not having to deal with Oblivion Gates is great too

Honestly, the true potential of Skyrim hasn't even been seen yet; I can't wait to see what the modding community throws out once they get their hands on the construction kit. (Apart from the nude mods -_-)

TLDR: It's a solid game, feels a lot like a console port, but you should buy it.


I pretty much agree with all your points. The UI is a little silly but I've got used to it because the rest of the game is too good. Good work.


I fixed it for you... this is how I do it:


+ Show Spoiler +
Play on Xbox


or play like I do.. with xbox remote on PC. You get the advantage of a more beautiful game with the smoothness of the ui designed for console remote.


Wait, people are seriously complaining about the UI for PC? I think it's one of the best done UI's for an Elder Scrolls/Fallout game in a long time. Switching between spells is so easy, all you do is tab > A > A > select school and spell, your hand never moves off the WASD. The menu remebers your location so if you're in combat and switching need to switch between destro/healing it's a minimal number of button presses. My character has bow/one-hander/destro skills so I'm switching between bow and melee mode quite often.

On November 18 2011 04:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How are people dealing with mages? Whenever I run into a frost mage I die before I can get next to them so I just chug an invisibility pot and go sneak attack them. There must be some other way though ^_^

Sparks them until they run out of mana and try to stab you.
PolSC2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States634 Posts
November 17 2011 19:17 GMT
#6409
So travelling... came across a Giant attacking some type of Orc settlement. I help out, but I get one shotted and thrown into the heavens.

I reloaded, and tried again. This time, I just used my bow. I also have the mage companion you get after getting azuras star (shes wicked op). She constantly staggered the Giant with dual casting, while her flame atronach kept blasting it and me pelting it with an orcish bow. Killed it with ease because of her. I'm only level 15! :O
We learn nothing from history except that we learn nothing from history.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 17 2011 19:20 GMT
#6410
^killed a giant level 15 as well, it's definitely hard then but around there, assuming you're leveling up mostly combat skills, it's definitely possible. And no, despite all the hyperbole Giants aren't the hardest thing you'll fight in the game.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 17 2011 19:24 GMT
#6411
On November 18 2011 04:03 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 03:52 acerockolla wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:31 CookieMaker wrote:
On November 17 2011 16:22 hysterial wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:25 SteemdRIce wrote:
Played this for about 30 hours already, and I personally feel it's a bit of a step back from Oblivion in a few respects, but also a massive improvement in others.

DISCLAIMER: Obviously everything is in my opinion

Improvements
  • It's got a much better immersion factor thanks to the new engine; animations are much less stiff, (fighting especially), and the conversations are a bit better.
  • It's a lot prettier; the engine upgrade really helped out here. The way spellcasting works is also a lot better in my opinion, but it does make playing a 2h warrior a lot more annoying than in Oblivion; not necessarily a bad thing.
  • The game 'feels' better; there are more people in the streets and the cities are lain out in a more interesting manner imo. Not every city has a wall around it, so you can see the differences between a fortress city and a city that's sort of 'evolved' from a town.
  • Third person view has crosshairs now :D
  • UI is more minimalist, despite being a lot more console-y; more below
  • The quests are a lot less padded; while good, it also means that they're a lot shorter than they were in Oblivion, the main quest especially. (The length of the Oblivion one in having to close all the freaking Oblivion gates was ****ing annoying though)
  • THE WATER IS SO PRETTY

Steps back
  • The UI. Oblivion's UI was far from perfect, but Skyrim's is worse in my opinion. You can see clearly that this was mostly a console port. The most annoying case of this is in dialogue/selling things and the level up system. If you miss the word of your character's name even slightly with the mouse it goes back to the previous dialogue screen. In the level up section, you have to hit 'enter' in order to select something to level up.
    The tab menu is more annoying. Splitting up quests from the tab menu as well as your stats and placing the two of those into the esc menu is quite annoying to say the least, especially when you're used to Oblivion's controls.
    The LMB/RMB display is WRONG on the inventory/magic/favourites screen. When you click LMB it displays [R] and vice versa. This gets really confusing.
  • Optimisation. While Oblivion was far from the most optimised game around, Skyrim feels a lot worse. I have a pretty beastly rig, but it still chokes up in some places; mostly interiors, oddly enough. I hope we can see a user mod to increase the optimisation on this

Things I wish they'd changed
  • Cities still don't feel big enough, and even though there are more people in the streets now, it still doesn't feel crowded enough.
  • Dual wielding is wonky in my opinion. I wished it worked more like some of the mods out there but I don't really care either way; I don't dual wield and I didn't dual wield much in Oblivion on those characters.

Despite all this though, I've been having a blast playing it, and getting to walk around Skyrim, which is a stark contrast to the surroundings we got in Oblivion. Not having to deal with Oblivion Gates is great too

Honestly, the true potential of Skyrim hasn't even been seen yet; I can't wait to see what the modding community throws out once they get their hands on the construction kit. (Apart from the nude mods -_-)

TLDR: It's a solid game, feels a lot like a console port, but you should buy it.


I pretty much agree with all your points. The UI is a little silly but I've got used to it because the rest of the game is too good. Good work.


I fixed it for you... this is how I do it:


+ Show Spoiler +
Play on Xbox


or play like I do.. with xbox remote on PC. You get the advantage of a more beautiful game with the smoothness of the ui designed for console remote.


Wait, people are seriously complaining about the UI for PC? I think it's one of the best done UI's for an Elder Scrolls/Fallout game in a long time. Switching between spells is so easy, all you do is tab > A > A > select school and spell, your hand never moves off the WASD. The menu remebers your location so if you're in combat and switching need to switch between destro/healing it's a minimal number of button presses. My character has bow/one-hander/destro skills so I'm switching between bow and melee mode quite often.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
How are people dealing with mages? Whenever I run into a frost mage I die before I can get next to them so I just chug an invisibility pot and go sneak attack them. There must be some other way though ^_^

Sparks them until they run out of mana and try to stab you.

Nord so I have frost resist, usually just shoot them with a bow/heal until they die. With the other elements I use a ward and then just chop their heads off.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
November 17 2011 19:26 GMT
#6412
On November 18 2011 04:20 DystopiaX wrote:
^killed a giant level 15 as well, it's definitely hard then but around there, assuming you're leveling up mostly combat skills, it's definitely possible. And no, despite all the hyperbole Giants aren't the hardest thing you'll fight in the game.


lol. I'm lv 26 in fully decked out improved heavy dragonscale armor set and a nice daedric greatsword and I don't dare come close to a giant xD. I've killed one with a bow too, but I just cant kill one in melee.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
November 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#6413
Skyrim was too short. They talked about years of gameplay and it is more than less.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12078 Posts
November 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#6414
As soon as you have destruction dual casting, you can kill giants with ease. Just don't cast too fast, and you will never run out of mana. And they should never reach you unless you fail majorly.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
November 17 2011 19:30 GMT
#6415
On November 18 2011 04:26 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:20 DystopiaX wrote:
^killed a giant level 15 as well, it's definitely hard then but around there, assuming you're leveling up mostly combat skills, it's definitely possible. And no, despite all the hyperbole Giants aren't the hardest thing you'll fight in the game.


lol. I'm lv 26 in fully decked out improved heavy dragonscale armor set and a nice daedric greatsword and I don't dare come close to a giant xD. I've killed one with a bow too, but I just cant kill one in melee.

u can strafe giants
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 19:33:35
November 17 2011 19:33 GMT
#6416
On November 18 2011 04:26 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:20 DystopiaX wrote:
^killed a giant level 15 as well, it's definitely hard then but around there, assuming you're leveling up mostly combat skills, it's definitely possible. And no, despite all the hyperbole Giants aren't the hardest thing you'll fight in the game.


lol. I'm lv 26 in fully decked out improved heavy dragonscale armor set and a nice daedric greatsword and I don't dare come close to a giant xD. I've killed one with a bow too, but I just cant kill one in melee.


Seriously? I've been whacking giants to death since I got my Ebony Mace ^_^ They're a complete joke now...

My character is very anti-magic (My destruction is level 16 from a skillbook) so I really don't think sparks is an option. I'll just keep going invis if this is the only way to deal with them.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
November 17 2011 19:37 GMT
#6417
On November 18 2011 04:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:26 Latham wrote:
On November 18 2011 04:20 DystopiaX wrote:
^killed a giant level 15 as well, it's definitely hard then but around there, assuming you're leveling up mostly combat skills, it's definitely possible. And no, despite all the hyperbole Giants aren't the hardest thing you'll fight in the game.


lol. I'm lv 26 in fully decked out improved heavy dragonscale armor set and a nice daedric greatsword and I don't dare come close to a giant xD. I've killed one with a bow too, but I just cant kill one in melee.


Seriously? I've been whacking giants to death since I got my Ebony Mace ^_^ They're a complete joke now...

My character is very anti-magic (My destruction is level 16 from a skillbook) so I really don't think sparks is an option. I'll just keep going invis if this is the only way to deal with them.

how's your alchemy? you could try making anti-mage poisons
aaaaa
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 17 2011 19:39 GMT
#6418
On November 18 2011 04:30 D4V3Z02 wrote:
Skyrim was too short. They talked about years of gameplay and it is more than less.

Well how much of the game did you play through? If you only did the main quest then it is short, but most of the meat is in exploration anyway.
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
November 17 2011 19:41 GMT
#6419
I beat a giant at level 7 as mage with no follower.


Took me kiting from almost Winterthingy to Riften though lol
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
November 17 2011 19:43 GMT
#6420
Bah, i have hit a bug it seems
I am on the main quest A Cornered Rat. Talk to esbern part. I have talked to him through the cell door. (while talking to him his chat was really fast and i didn't have time to read more then few words). And now, he still has an arrow pointing above his head, but the door to him can't open. even though it should be able to open them. THere is no key needed, and no unlock. I can see E Open Door

Any help ?
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