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Nithix
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States184 Posts
October 23 2010 17:16 GMT
#61
I think you guys should give D3 some more time. The footage from BlizzCon is probably not at the highest gear levels, which is what D2 PvP is based around. I'm sure it will become more fast paced when more stats are stacked up due to better items and skill levels. Also, player skill is obviously a huge factor, too.
Not even death can save you from me. - Diablo
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
October 23 2010 17:17 GMT
#62
On October 24 2010 02:09 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 21:42 Grack wrote:
the pre enigma lovers piss me off the should stick to EP (which is dead because nobody wants to play it) and stop complaining, most of them are horrible players anyway and never adjusted to new fast paced duels.
as for the factors i mentioned there are many things some of them are basic and very simple to do others require alot of practice i will list few of them: weapon switch glitch, name lock supported by summon lock or foh lock (like in this hammer v ama vid ), polish guide arrow trick, minion stack glitch, desych and predictiong where your opponent is compered to what d2 client actualy displays, proper builds and actualy knowing fhr/fcr breakpoints vs specific opponents, item setups (most of the best are already known but most best duelers stil have their own setupis in some match ups)
Desych (talking from paladin perspective now since its the most popular pvp char nowadays) and fast namelocking/summon namelocking is an art on its own, there are few amazing players who could desynch like nobody else with just few seconds of vigor charge then apper on top of you with ultrafast tele namelock . Every player has his own playstyle and experience has alot of an impact on outcome of the duel. Watching karol (probably best melee paldin player of all time) duel with charger/smiter vs ww barb was one of the most epic things i've seen in d2, nobody could desynch smite like him into ww'ing barb, even after years where duel techniques developed and improved alot theres barely nobody who is close to him. Vast majority of vids uploaded on youtube are complete trash and have nothing to do with real duels which took place in d2.

ps. its obviousl d2pvp is not as competitive as sc2 or bw but people saying its crap most likely are clueless newbs.
ps2. sorry for english its not my native language


So, basically, you want to tell us that PvP in D2 is based primarily on game bug exploitation and that's what makes it awesome?
Somehow, it doesn't fall under my terms of "competetive" and "great".



Muta stacking, hold lurker, etc.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
October 23 2010 17:21 GMT
#63
On October 24 2010 02:17 fishbowl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 02:09 Manit0u wrote:
On October 23 2010 21:42 Grack wrote:
the pre enigma lovers piss me off the should stick to EP (which is dead because nobody wants to play it) and stop complaining, most of them are horrible players anyway and never adjusted to new fast paced duels.
as for the factors i mentioned there are many things some of them are basic and very simple to do others require alot of practice i will list few of them: weapon switch glitch, name lock supported by summon lock or foh lock (like in this hammer v ama vid ), polish guide arrow trick, minion stack glitch, desych and predictiong where your opponent is compered to what d2 client actualy displays, proper builds and actualy knowing fhr/fcr breakpoints vs specific opponents, item setups (most of the best are already known but most best duelers stil have their own setupis in some match ups)
Desych (talking from paladin perspective now since its the most popular pvp char nowadays) and fast namelocking/summon namelocking is an art on its own, there are few amazing players who could desynch like nobody else with just few seconds of vigor charge then apper on top of you with ultrafast tele namelock . Every player has his own playstyle and experience has alot of an impact on outcome of the duel. Watching karol (probably best melee paldin player of all time) duel with charger/smiter vs ww barb was one of the most epic things i've seen in d2, nobody could desynch smite like him into ww'ing barb, even after years where duel techniques developed and improved alot theres barely nobody who is close to him. Vast majority of vids uploaded on youtube are complete trash and have nothing to do with real duels which took place in d2.

ps. its obviousl d2pvp is not as competitive as sc2 or bw but people saying its crap most likely are clueless newbs.
ps2. sorry for english its not my native language


So, basically, you want to tell us that PvP in D2 is based primarily on game bug exploitation and that's what makes it awesome?
Somehow, it doesn't fall under my terms of "competetive" and "great".



Muta stacking, hold lurker, etc.


Hold Lurker is not a bug or glitch. Muta Stacking might be seen as one, but there are more things that stack (basically all flying units can be stacked...) and math proves that it's not the most effective use of mutas (as seen in the AI competition).
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Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
October 23 2010 18:19 GMT
#64
I hope hardcore pk'ing stays... most fun part of d2lod :D. (legit not tppk)
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Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
October 23 2010 18:21 GMT
#65
Since when do you call item teleportation in D2 PvP? Maybe for public games, but in real tournaments you had to follow rules which excludes shit like using skills on items, mass damage reduction, slow target etc. At least in Europe where I was playing (euro-pvp). But that was when the game was as most active...

Arenas in D3 looks cool, looking forward to PvP in that game. The thing that fucked up D2 PvP was all the glitches and bugs that annoyed you to hell... particularly being hit by invisible guided arrows or whirlwind/charge which were one screen away from you.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
October 23 2010 18:26 GMT
#66
Nice to know they won't be balancing PvP and PvE together.
Almisael
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria235 Posts
October 23 2010 18:26 GMT
#67
there will be no pvp outside of arenas. they just said that on the dev panel.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 18:37:01
October 23 2010 18:35 GMT
#68
Hardcore without pk seems kinda boring. I really hope this arena system doesn't replace PvP'ing out in the wilderness that we had in D2. Separating it seems kinda dumb imo, but would fit in line with Blizzard's theme of pandering to people who don't like challenges in their games.

On October 24 2010 03:26 Almisael wrote:
there will be no pvp outside of arenas. they just said that on the dev panel.

Ahhh fuck GG then. That really annoys me. I'd have no problem with arena if they gave us other options, but whatever.
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
October 23 2010 18:40 GMT
#69
Demon Hunter, YES. I am so going to use that class in DIII.

Anyways, I was wondering if it would be possible to balance the game in both the PvP and story aspects? like have the option for single/multiplayer, then PvP, but the attacks have different stats in the two game modes. If so, that would possibly make this game one of the best ever.
squintz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
October 23 2010 18:41 GMT
#70
On October 24 2010 03:26 Adila wrote:
Nice to know they won't be balancing PvP and PvE together.


they aren't. they said pvp is just for fun
CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 18:42:51
October 23 2010 18:41 GMT
#71
Woot finally some PvP info for DIII I like that it will have it's own matchmaking and you don't have to do it within regular games.
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
October 23 2010 18:53 GMT
#72
On October 24 2010 03:26 Almisael wrote:
there will be no pvp outside of arenas. they just said that on the dev panel.


What?!
What was the reaction to that? That's a severe blow to the spirit of Diablo, I can see why they chose to go that route so that the casual gamers wouldn't be discouraged to play but who the hell cares about those bastards? There has to be some kind of mode for people who want the real PvP experience...
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 18:54:30
October 23 2010 18:54 GMT
#73
as a bw player i dont see whats wrong with exploiting glitches to get an advantage loool and its not like they're super easy to pull off.

oh and i love watching assassin ghost builds duel..

never pvped myself but played a lot of d2. loved watching the few duel vids on youtube after seeing one haha

oh and demon hunter looks cool.
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Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
October 23 2010 19:02 GMT
#74
On October 24 2010 03:53 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 03:26 Almisael wrote:
there will be no pvp outside of arenas. they just said that on the dev panel.


What?!
What was the reaction to that? That's a severe blow to the spirit of Diablo, I can see why they chose to go that route so that the casual gamers wouldn't be discouraged to play but who the hell cares about those bastards? There has to be some kind of mode for people who want the real PvP experience...


I don't know. Most of the time, people just left the moment someone goes hostile in D2. Also, the size of the maps made it ridiculous to find people.

In that regard, it doesn't change the game much for me other than pissing off the griefers.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
October 23 2010 19:16 GMT
#75
I hope you can play these arenas without premade teams also.



Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
October 23 2010 21:27 GMT
#76
The PvP Arena looks pretty much like Bloodline Champions. For the little time I've spent playing the game, this could work. The art-style is good and as long as everything is a "skill-shot" I think they can keep it balanced well enough. They just need to keep spam out of the game because that's what makes RPG PvP boring to look at and sometimes play.

Diablo 3 is looking promising. Sure it is not the dark-grit and revolutionary Diablo people are used to but this is looking more than good enough and like a proper transition. I think that Diablo 3 has something that no other game has going for them and is a virtual platform to deliver content upgrades and stat tracking. If they keep the dungeons coming and the Arena in ladders then this game could be very popular for a very long time.
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Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
October 23 2010 22:12 GMT
#77
PvP in D2 was pretty much only fun for the guy who hostiled. I don't really think I'll miss it, especially if there are arenas to mess around in.
~_~
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
October 23 2010 23:42 GMT
#78
wow that d3 video looked really slow, and most of the d2 dueling videos posted on here are pretty bad, that bvc had the barb with ww on left click, lol.

i thought diablo 2 pvp was great, maybe not that good on bnet but i played on d2pk, pretty awesome dueling server. you can't really look at the d2 pvp videos cuz there aren't really any good ones... once you try triangle wwing, chain zerking and things like that i think you will grasp that d2 pvp can be quite challenging at times.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 24 2010 05:21 GMT
#79
On October 24 2010 03:53 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 03:26 Almisael wrote:
there will be no pvp outside of arenas. they just said that on the dev panel.


What?!
What was the reaction to that? That's a severe blow to the spirit of Diablo, I can see why they chose to go that route so that the casual gamers wouldn't be discouraged to play but who the hell cares about those bastards? There has to be some kind of mode for people who want the real PvP experience...

Jay Wilson said he enjoyed griefing but it just wasn't the direction the team would take for the general public.

If you want hardcore PvP, he said the hc arenas would be truly hc though.
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lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 06:32:16
October 24 2010 06:31 GMT
#80
Most things in here are arguable - but whoever is judging D3 gameplay in general before even playing/before it even releases is completely retarded.
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