On October 23 2010 20:50 Garrl wrote: Compare that to this (or any D2 PVP video, really, just took the top result) and you'll see why D3's PVP is awful.
horrible example
this is way better
ps. people who dont play d2 probably wont realize how many things they are actually doing while it appears its just few clicks on screen
All that enigma teleportation spam... makes the pvp 2 or 3 skill spam (one of them being the teleport) hooray. Aside from positioning there doesn't seem anything interesting going on.
Hopefully it will be atleast slightly more interesting in D3.
it is what it is, a wow-esque arena, once you hit the gear cap for your particular build, its gonna come down to "strategy and skill", which is way different then a rts where skill and strategy is the first requirement. nevertheless im happy about it, getting ladders ala sc2 around your arenas team will add incentive, replayability and fun overall.
On October 23 2010 21:34 NeonFlare wrote: All that enigma teleportation spam... makes the pvp 2 or 3 skill spam (one of them being the teleport) hooray. Aside from positioning there doesn't seem anything interesting going on.
Hopefully it will be atleast slightly more interesting in D3.
u obviously dont know much about pvp in d2 there are so many factors i cba even to explain it to somebody who never achieved anything in this game, its like explainig to somebody from wc3 that bw actualy has a lot of very demanding micro, they just wont understand it , btw enigma made duels way more dynamic than pre 1.10 patch the footage from d3 duels looks rly shitty and WoW-like im not happy with this and most of the good d2 duelers agree with me.
Pvp in d2 was very silly. They are really going to have to do some work if they want to make it better for d3, though with a game like diablo im not sure its possible to make good pvp.
I think it would be a cool idea if they did some sort of competitive pve, such as 2 teams being attacked by a neverending horde and trying to get a bigger combo than the other team before death or something.
Rofl, at you D2 pvp'ers. Just face it, D2 pvp was pure crap. You can butter it up, call it skilled, and act like there is a million things going on in the background that you can't even explain, but bottom line is, it looked like crap, and played like crap. The only reason it became popular was because of how stupid botting and map-hacking made pve, and idiots had to find something to do with their bot-enhanced characters. Watch a D2 pvp duel then watch a Quake Live duel. Heck, watch a WoW duel, and come back and talk. You're retarded.
On October 23 2010 22:09 Sm3agol wrote: Rofl, at you D2 pvp'ers. Just face it, D2 pvp was pure crap. You can butter it up, call it skilled, and act like there is a million things going on in the background that you can't even explain, but bottom line is, it looked like crap, and played like crap. The only reason it became popular was because of how stupid botting and map-hacking made pve, and idiots had to find something to do with their bot-enhanced characters. Watch a D2 pvp duel then watch a Quake Live duel. Heck, watch a WoW duel, and come back and talk. You're retarded.
LOL ok u r clueless wont even bother answering, go back to ur wow arena tard
D2 PvP was ridiculously terrible. I kinda (but not really) liked it before runewords broke the whole thing (suddenly, every character can have massive auras, teleport, druid buffs and so on) and made all of the characters more or less the same. Of course it was the worst part of the game which I loved so frickin' much. Generally, it was at it's best as an incredibly APM intensive hack'n'slasher for anyone not a necro (had a level 95 melee sorc), being great both on action and RPG fronts.
... and as someone who wants more of the same, I can say that I absolutely love the fact that PvP aficionados have their own special place to make each other miserable without interfering with my game experience.
On October 23 2010 21:41 Eury wrote: Diablo 3 arena looks fantastic so far and much better than WoW arena. Diablo 3 might have a future in e-sports.
That might be because WoW arena is one of the shittiest and most boring things ever conceived by man.
And D2 PvP became ridiculous post-Enigma. It's not the same thing when everyone can teleport...
The only really good thing about D2 PvP was lvl 20 dueling. You had to try really hard to come up with good build and items for such low level. That's where the skill was.
On October 23 2010 21:42 Grack wrote: u obviously dont know much about pvp in d2 there are so many factors i cba even to explain it to somebody who never achieved anything in this game, its like explainig to somebody from wc3 that bw actualy has a lot of very demanding micro, they just wont understand it , btw enigma made duels way more dynamic than pre 1.10 patch the footage from d3 duels looks rly shitty and WoW-like im not happy with this and most of the good d2 duelers agree with me.
If you can't bother to explain or provide examples your point is rather moot. Was there anything to achieve beyond finishing the game on hell anyway aside from gathering pretty items? The only decently interesting thing about D2 PvP was group duels pre-enigma(which were quite rare), when it was slightly more complex and more classes and builds were viable.
To people saying blizzard wants it to be competitive I think that is far from true. They announced somewhere that Arena is really only for screwing around, after owning to many demons. I think there might be a match making system, to play against people close to your level. I'm just glad their not adding PVP gear.
I liked D2 PvP, but it really came down to 2 or 3 skills and enigma. Also I don't see how some people are saying that it looks like it's really slow. Shit is flying around that screen like every couple of seconds.
My only complaint at this time would be the numbers popping up, that has to go.
On October 23 2010 21:42 Grack wrote: u obviously dont know much about pvp in d2 there are so many factors i cba even to explain it to somebody who never achieved anything in this game, its like explainig to somebody from wc3 that bw actualy has a lot of very demanding micro, they just wont understand it , btw enigma made duels way more dynamic than pre 1.10 patch the footage from d3 duels looks rly shitty and WoW-like im not happy with this and most of the good d2 duelers agree with me.
If you can't bother to explain or provide examples your point is rather moot. Was there anything to achieve beyond finishing the game on hell anyway aside from gathering pretty items? The only decently interesting thing about D2 PvP was group duels pre-enigma(which were quite rare), when it was slightly more complex and more classes and builds were viable.
the pre enigma lovers piss me off the should stick to EP (which is dead because nobody wants to play it) and stop complaining, most of them are horrible players anyway and never adjusted to new fast paced duels. as for the factors i mentioned there are many things some of them are basic and very simple to do others require alot of practice i will list few of them: weapon switch glitch, name lock supported by summon lock or foh lock (like in this hammer v ama vid ), polish guide arrow trick, minion stack glitch, desych and predictiong where your opponent is compered to what d2 client actualy displays, proper builds and actualy knowing fhr/fcr breakpoints vs specific opponents, item setups (most of the best are already known but most best duelers stil have their own setupis in some match ups) Desych (talking from paladin perspective now since its the most popular pvp char nowadays) and fast namelocking/summon namelocking is an art on its own, there are few amazing players who could desynch like nobody else with just few seconds of vigor charge then apper on top of you with ultrafast tele namelock . Every player has his own playstyle and experience has alot of an impact on outcome of the duel. Watching karol (probably best melee paldin player of all time) duel with charger/smiter vs ww barb was one of the most epic things i've seen in d2, nobody could desynch smite like him into ww'ing barb, even after years where duel techniques developed and improved alot theres barely nobody who is close to him. Vast majority of vids uploaded on youtube are complete trash and have nothing to do with real duels which took place in d2.
ps. its obviousl d2pvp is not as competitive as sc2 or bw but people saying its crap most likely are clueless newbs. ps2. sorry for english its not my native language
Yeah, i actually think that the D3 PvP looks a lot more dynamic; almost every class also has their own mobility spell, from what i can tell.
That being said, you want to see skill? Look at duels in Vanilla D2. hammerdins used three or four different Aura's via changing them, and made extensive use of charge for mobility, smite for CC, and hammers to you now... do damage. As compared to... using teleport then using one shift click to get a whirlwind off (which, i do admit there is some skill to getting a good WW off as far as hits go, but not the point.)
Also, keep in mind this is a blizzard demonstration, i doubt you ever saw skillful PvP tactics coming pre-D2 from any blizzard video... think for a second, it is just a couple devs messing around. Relax a little people, haha.