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Grack
51 Posts
On October 23 2010 20:50 Garrl wrote: Compare that to this (or any D2 PVP video, really, just took the top result) and you'll see why D3's PVP is awful. horrible example this is way better ps. people who dont play d2 probably wont realize how many things they are actually doing while it appears its just few clicks on screen | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On October 23 2010 18:49 Latham wrote: 2) TPPK on hardcore. They fixed that about a year ago, finally. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
the graphics are so LOL-esque...all the enemies flashing when taking damage like some fighting game. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
Hopefully it will be atleast slightly more interesting in D3. | ||
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CoFran
Canada342 Posts
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
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Grack
51 Posts
On October 23 2010 21:34 NeonFlare wrote: All that enigma teleportation spam... makes the pvp 2 or 3 skill spam (one of them being the teleport) hooray. Aside from positioning there doesn't seem anything interesting going on. Hopefully it will be atleast slightly more interesting in D3. u obviously dont know much about pvp in d2 there are so many factors i cba even to explain it to somebody who never achieved anything in this game, its like explainig to somebody from wc3 that bw actualy has a lot of very demanding micro, they just wont understand it , btw enigma made duels way more dynamic than pre 1.10 patch the footage from d3 duels looks rly shitty and WoW-like im not happy with this and most of the good d2 duelers agree with me. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
Early D2 pvp wasn't exactly something to brag about either. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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ragingfungus
United States271 Posts
I think it would be a cool idea if they did some sort of competitive pve, such as 2 teams being attacked by a neverending horde and trying to get a bigger combo than the other team before death or something. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Watch a D2 pvp duel then watch a Quake Live duel. Heck, watch a WoW duel, and come back and talk. You're retarded. | ||
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Grack
51 Posts
On October 23 2010 22:09 Sm3agol wrote: Rofl, at you D2 pvp'ers. Just face it, D2 pvp was pure crap. You can butter it up, call it skilled, and act like there is a million things going on in the background that you can't even explain, but bottom line is, it looked like crap, and played like crap. The only reason it became popular was because of how stupid botting and map-hacking made pve, and idiots had to find something to do with their bot-enhanced characters. Watch a D2 pvp duel then watch a Quake Live duel. Heck, watch a WoW duel, and come back and talk. You're retarded. LOL ok u r clueless wont even bother answering, go back to ur wow arena tard User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
... and as someone who wants more of the same, I can say that I absolutely love the fact that PvP aficionados have their own special place to make each other miserable without interfering with my game experience. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17237 Posts
On October 23 2010 21:41 Eury wrote: Diablo 3 arena looks fantastic so far and much better than WoW arena. Diablo 3 might have a future in e-sports. That might be because WoW arena is one of the shittiest and most boring things ever conceived by man. And D2 PvP became ridiculous post-Enigma. It's not the same thing when everyone can teleport... The only really good thing about D2 PvP was lvl 20 dueling. You had to try really hard to come up with good build and items for such low level. That's where the skill was. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
On October 23 2010 21:42 Grack wrote: u obviously dont know much about pvp in d2 there are so many factors i cba even to explain it to somebody who never achieved anything in this game, its like explainig to somebody from wc3 that bw actualy has a lot of very demanding micro, they just wont understand it , btw enigma made duels way more dynamic than pre 1.10 patch the footage from d3 duels looks rly shitty and WoW-like im not happy with this and most of the good d2 duelers agree with me. If you can't bother to explain or provide examples your point is rather moot. Was there anything to achieve beyond finishing the game on hell anyway aside from gathering pretty items? The only decently interesting thing about D2 PvP was group duels pre-enigma(which were quite rare), when it was slightly more complex and more classes and builds were viable. | ||
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Filo
United States54 Posts
I liked D2 PvP, but it really came down to 2 or 3 skills and enigma. Also I don't see how some people are saying that it looks like it's really slow. Shit is flying around that screen like every couple of seconds. My only complaint at this time would be the numbers popping up, that has to go. | ||
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Vernom
Spain374 Posts
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Grack
51 Posts
On October 23 2010 22:43 NeonFlare wrote: If you can't bother to explain or provide examples your point is rather moot. Was there anything to achieve beyond finishing the game on hell anyway aside from gathering pretty items? The only decently interesting thing about D2 PvP was group duels pre-enigma(which were quite rare), when it was slightly more complex and more classes and builds were viable. the pre enigma lovers piss me off the should stick to EP (which is dead because nobody wants to play it) and stop complaining, most of them are horrible players anyway and never adjusted to new fast paced duels. as for the factors i mentioned there are many things some of them are basic and very simple to do others require alot of practice i will list few of them: weapon switch glitch, name lock supported by summon lock or foh lock (like in this hammer v ama vid ), polish guide arrow trick, minion stack glitch, desych and predictiong where your opponent is compered to what d2 client actualy displays, proper builds and actualy knowing fhr/fcr breakpoints vs specific opponents, item setups (most of the best are already known but most best duelers stil have their own setupis in some match ups) Desych (talking from paladin perspective now since its the most popular pvp char nowadays) and fast namelocking/summon namelocking is an art on its own, there are few amazing players who could desynch like nobody else with just few seconds of vigor charge then apper on top of you with ultrafast tele namelock . Every player has his own playstyle and experience has alot of an impact on outcome of the duel. Watching karol (probably best melee paldin player of all time) duel with charger/smiter vs ww barb was one of the most epic things i've seen in d2, nobody could desynch smite like him into ww'ing barb, even after years where duel techniques developed and improved alot theres barely nobody who is close to him. Vast majority of vids uploaded on youtube are complete trash and have nothing to do with real duels which took place in d2. ps. its obviousl d2pvp is not as competitive as sc2 or bw but people saying its crap most likely are clueless newbs. ps2. sorry for english its not my native language | ||
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lowkontrast
United States855 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
That being said, you want to see skill? Look at duels in Vanilla D2. hammerdins used three or four different Aura's via changing them, and made extensive use of charge for mobility, smite for CC, and hammers to you now... do damage. As compared to... using teleport then using one shift click to get a whirlwind off (which, i do admit there is some skill to getting a good WW off as far as hits go, but not the point.) Also, keep in mind this is a blizzard demonstration, i doubt you ever saw skillful PvP tactics coming pre-D2 from any blizzard video... think for a second, it is just a couple devs messing around. Relax a little people, haha. | ||
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