EPTFetches + original duals and shocks are just by-products of how Legacy and Modern are designed as formats (and are balanced in those formats by various tools available to decks in them such as Wasteland, Stifle, Blood Moon, etc.). But I question WotC's decision to ever print fetchable duals again once they saw how Shocks+Fetches affected Extended/Modern.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Fetches + original duals and shocks are just by-products of how Legacy and Modern are designed as formats (and are balanced in those formats by various tools available to decks in them such as Wasteland, Stifle, Blood Moon, etc.). But I question WotC's decision to ever print fetchable duals again once they saw how Shocks+Fetches affected Extended/Modern. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
It'd be an interesting reprint, that'd be for sure. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On November 11 2015 15:02 MaGic~PhiL wrote: It is in my opinion not wizards obligation how much cards are worth. Frankly they have little influence on it. The market is about demand and supply. Is this a joke? The game should cost a flat 100$ for 4 copies of every card. Every day they make the choice to continue to hide behind a skinner box and 500$ barriers-to-entry, while DQing people from tournaments because they didn't use official WotC cardboard. How isn't that stealing? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22204 Posts
The game is a luxury hobby. No one is forced to play it. If you don't like the business model go somewhere else, no need to come here and spout about it. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
I do think standard is stupidly expensive right now, but once fetchlands rotate, it'll be fine except for Jace. And I honestly, if you played anytime from last December until BFZ spoilers, you should've been aggressively trading for fetchlands...and if you have fetches, standard isn't that bad barring Jace (who is good in modern and legacy anyway). I'm simply baffled how people who are invested in the game didn't grab every fetchland possible while they were $10-$15. I'm sitting on 13 Flooded Strands, 7 Deltas, and 6 of the rest of the KTK fetches just from drafting and trading prizes I opened. tl;dr, just draft or invest in modern until Spring, fetches rotate, get back into standard, and magic isn't the best right now, but it's fine really...sorry you missed out on the fetchland boat. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On November 12 2015 05:44 Whole wrote: I think Magic would die if it was $100 for a playset of a set (even $200, $300). The super casual crowd would probably dwindle. I remember when I started, it was buying a pack a week for me. I would've never gotten into the game if it was $100 startup cost because I didn't care that much about it at the time. I'd just go play SC2 or DotA instead of spending $100 for something I might like. Then stores like SCG (and their whole tournament circuit) and CFB would just die out instantly...no incentive to hire pros, pros no longer have steady jobs, PT circuit collapses, etc. I do think standard is stupidly expensive right now, but once fetchlands rotate, it'll be fine except for Jace. And I honestly, if you played anytime from last December until BFZ spoilers, you should've been aggressively trading for fetchlands...and if you have fetches, standard isn't that bad barring Jace (who is good in modern and legacy anyway). I'm simply baffled how people who are invested in the game didn't grab every fetchland possible while they were $10-$15. I'm sitting on 13 Flooded Strands, 7 Deltas, and 6 of the rest of the KTK fetches just from drafting and trading prizes I opened. tl;dr, just draft or invest in modern until Spring, fetches rotate, get back into standard, and magic isn't the best right now, but it's fine really...sorry you missed out on the fetchland boat. That's weird... because there are a lot of sc2 teams that hire pros for a game that is a flat price of 60USD and there's tons of strategy articles. Besides, I have a full jeskaiblack and gw megamorph deck. I complain because I love the game yet I would never ever in a million years recommend mtg to any of my friends. I hope people see my spouting and are turned away from the game. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 12 2015 10:39 RoieTRS wrote: That's weird... because there are a lot of sc2 teams that hire pros for a game that is a flat price of 60USD and there's tons of strategy articles. Besides, I have a full jeskaiblack and gw megamorph deck. I complain because I love the game yet I would never ever in a million years recommend mtg to any of my friends. I hope people see my spouting and are turned away from the game. Gaming peripherals, subscription packages, etc.... Do you really need *that* much ram? *That* many gigs? That mouse? That screen? Is it any wonder that its those companies paying pros and not, say, Gamestop or Blizzard? | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
On November 12 2015 10:39 RoieTRS wrote: That's weird... because there are a lot of sc2 teams that hire pros for a game that is a flat price of 60USD and there's tons of strategy articles. Besides, I have a full jeskaiblack and gw megamorph deck. I complain because I love the game yet I would never ever in a million years recommend mtg to any of my friends. I hope people see my spouting and are turned away from the game. Wow that's a pretty poisonous attitude. I hope people aren't turned away from magic because of it, and see it for what it is. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On November 12 2015 10:39 RoieTRS wrote: That's weird... because there are a lot of sc2 teams that hire pros for a game that is a flat price of 60USD and there's tons of strategy articles. Besides, I have a full jeskaiblack and gw megamorph deck. I complain because I love the game yet I would never ever in a million years recommend mtg to any of my friends. I hope people see my spouting and are turned away from the game. The game will die and loss its appeal to the traders/hardcode fans who keep it togther , the game isnt growing anymore at least not in a rate that is large enough to justify "free to play" kind of game you are offering , they are using a very large loyal fan base who enjoys the game and its economy (some more some less) , is it healthy for the gamer to be addicted to such expensive game ? depends , letting everyone have all the cards will suck out ton of the fun the collecting aspect has in the game , which is a HUGH part of it as well. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 16 2015 05:44 Meta wrote: Personally I don't blame people for using fake cards in tournaments. Most of the time they don't get caught, and as long as they aren't cheating or gaining an unfair competitive advantage, it's not a crime in my opinion. Obviously they can make whatever rules they want, but I have many friends who use fakes in tournaments and haven't ever been called on it. ...its pretty bad on you for not calling out cheating because its your friends doing it. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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micronesia
United States24768 Posts
edit: for casual play with your friends that would be totally different | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 16 2015 06:52 Meta wrote: It's not cheating, those fakes are indistinguishable in sleeves even to the player using them. Playing legitimate, fair games of magic with fake cards that are indistinguishable from real cards is completely justified in my opinion. We're poor people who like to play magic. Why discriminate against us? It's the business model of the game, and it hasn't changed since day 1. If you and your circle of friends have agreed to overlook the use of fake cards in friendly games, I hold nothing against you, but when you try to bring them into a tournament, you're asking for trouble. A tournament is an official setting, you can't complain if you get in trouble for not playing the game with official cards. There are ways to play Magic when you're short on money, but a tournament isn't going to be one of them. On November 12 2015 10:39 RoieTRS wrote: That's weird... because there are a lot of sc2 teams that hire pros for a game that is a flat price of 60USD and there's tons of strategy articles. Besides, I have a full jeskaiblack and gw megamorph deck. I complain because I love the game yet I would never ever in a million years recommend mtg to any of my friends. I hope people see my spouting and are turned away from the game. Your petulant whinging is going to turn people away from the forum, if anything. If I were interested in Magic and I saw someone bitching about the basic business model of the game, I would look elsewhere. You're not going to turn people off of the game by being a general ass. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On November 16 2015 06:52 Meta wrote: It's not cheating, those fakes are indistinguishable in sleeves even to the player using them. Playing legitimate, fair games of magic with fake cards that are indistinguishable from real cards is completely justified in my opinion. We're poor people who like to play magic. Why discriminate against us? Being able to get away with something does not stop it from being cheating. If someone cheats, and no one catches them, good on them for being cunning--but I do look down on them for cheating. If someone *knows* that someone else is cheating, and does not either tell them to stop, or even fucking supports them doing it, then I despise that person even more than the cheater. People cheat for all kinds of reasons, legitimate or otherwise. I know a few folks who got fakes and only bring them to casual/weeklies, but only bring their real cards to REL/Competitive tournaments. I also know people that use the "championship decks" with their gold borders when playing casual, or as their proxy cards for weekly tournaments. Perfectly fine, because when they decide to compete in the real tournaments they bring their real decks. But knowingly allowing someone who is choosing to cheat. That's just disgusting. | ||
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