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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 19 2015 20:17 GMT
#12481
well, do you have fetches/shocks?
if yes ur selection is pretty nice
if no ur selection shrinks considerably
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 21:16:05
October 19 2015 21:13 GMT
#12482
Burn, Mono Green aggro, and Infect I think a re relatively cheap to build. Mono-U Tron isn't that bad either, and requires no fetches. Need the fatties for Tron though, just like hwo y ou need Heirachs/Inkmoths for Infect, and Eidolons/Guides for Burn.

When Affinity/Infect/Burn was at it's worst at my local gamestore, I made a really cheap Bitterblossom-less BW Tokens deck that does quite well.

Having fetches also helps a lot. I've notice each of them shot up a few bucks in price since I last remembered.

edit: Speaking of fetches, I cracked a Flooded Strand Expedition, but apparently, a lot of them that get opened are pretty damaged.
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
October 19 2015 21:58 GMT
#12483
Soul Sisters is also good
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 22:28:09
October 19 2015 22:23 GMT
#12484
I have the Red/Green and Green/White fetches from KTK's printing, no shocks though.

I was actually looking at soul sisters since my idea of "cheap" deck right now is really just less than $1 per card NOT counting the landbase which I can work towards.
In Inca we trust
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
October 19 2015 22:33 GMT
#12485
When doing a sealed in a couple of months, I believe the correct distribution is four packs of BFZ, two packs of the new set. Some people asked me why you wouldn't want to just do six packs of the new set and I wasn't sure how to explain it. Is there a concise way to put it?
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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
October 19 2015 23:09 GMT
#12486
On October 20 2015 06:13 sung_moon wrote:
Burn, Mono Green aggro, and Infect I think a re relatively cheap to build. Mono-U Tron isn't that bad either, and requires no fetches. Need the fatties for Tron though, just like hwo y ou need Heirachs/Inkmoths for Infect, and Eidolons/Guides for Burn.

When Affinity/Infect/Burn was at it's worst at my local gamestore, I made a really cheap Bitterblossom-less BW Tokens deck that does quite well.

Having fetches also helps a lot. I've notice each of them shot up a few bucks in price since I last remembered.

edit: Speaking of fetches, I cracked a Flooded Strand Expedition, but apparently, a lot of them that get opened are pretty damaged.


Send it to wizards, they've apparently been really on the ball replacing damaged ones. Just contact customer service first!
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 19 2015 23:42 GMT
#12487
On October 20 2015 07:33 micronesia wrote:
When doing a sealed in a couple of months, I believe the correct distribution is four packs of BFZ, two packs of the new set. Some people asked me why you wouldn't want to just do six packs of the new set and I wasn't sure how to explain it. Is there a concise way to put it?

It's actually 4 of the new set, (Oath of the Gatewatch) and 2 of BFZ.
This is because OGW is a 'small set,' with fewer cards than a full size set like BFZ (~270), and so sealed/draft would have problems like too few playable commons/uncommons in specific colours were you to only draft with the 'small' set.

They are designed to be drafted together.

Now that's not to say you CAN'T do a 6 pack sealed with OGW only, it's just not the ideal, or the supported format.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 19 2015 23:49 GMT
#12488
Wizards actually puts a lot of work into making the first set one that work as its own limited set while still working together with the next ones. The 2nd set really is designed to build onto the first set and rarely has solid mechanics as a limited format without the first set. They could for example put a lot of say eldrazi processors in the next set because bfz already has the ingest cards. Without the ingest and exile cards that wouldn't be a cool mechanic.
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
October 20 2015 02:46 GMT
#12489
On October 19 2015 16:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 14:39 Whole wrote:
i got 23rd, $2500, and 10 pro points at PT BFZ with GW Megamorph. kinda sucks how there are no breakout decks, but i still don't think the format is solved. anyway the pro tour was super fun and surprisingly casual. it's kinda weird but it makes sense i guess. I just noticed that my opponents were much nicer at the PT than they are at GPs and Opens.

Amazing!
You should tell us which one you are though so we can cheer you on in future events


well if you ever see Donald Smith on the feature match or top tables, that's me!

On October 19 2015 21:36 Count9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 14:39 Whole wrote:
i got 23rd, $2500, and 10 pro points at PT BFZ with GW Megamorph. kinda sucks how there are no breakout decks, but i still don't think the format is solved. anyway the pro tour was super fun and surprisingly casual. it's kinda weird but it makes sense i guess. I just noticed that my opponents were much nicer at the PT than they are at GPs and Opens.

Didn't that sam black bant* tokens go like 75% with their team? They didn't top 8 tho so it feels like CFB with esper dragons where they had a breakout deck but no one really payed attention.


yea i forgot about that deck. hard for me to remember things like that and UB aristocrats because I'm not watching coverage and there aren't many people on the lists (so it's hard to spot just walking around). with that said, hopefully the decks catch on.
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
October 20 2015 07:39 GMT
#12490
Which GW deck did you play? I've been proxying with Autum Burchett's (only 9-1 in constructed at the PT) list and it just feels pretty unfair some of the curve-outs the deck can have, but it doesn't play any(!) Gideons, instead opting for Archangel of Tithes.

magic.wizards.com has the decklist.
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Propelled
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark184 Posts
October 20 2015 11:36 GMT
#12491
I've been working on a Grixis Dragons list for Gameday since BFZ was spoiled. The basic gameplan is to be reactive in the early game, dealing incidental damage with Draconic Roar and triggers from Thunderbreak Regent. Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury is then used to quickly end the game in a combat step or two.

So far I've been quite happy with the results, with decent results angainst the top decks like Jeskai, Atarka red and G/W megamorph.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
October 20 2015 16:39 GMT
#12492
On October 20 2015 20:36 Propelled wrote:
I've been working on a Grixis Dragons list for Gameday since BFZ was spoiled. The basic gameplan is to be reactive in the early game, dealing incidental damage with Draconic Roar and triggers from Thunderbreak Regent. Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury is then used to quickly end the game in a combat step or two.

So far I've been quite happy with the results, with decent results angainst the top decks like Jeskai, Atarka red and G/W megamorph.


What's the advantage of Grixis over Mardu Blue?

My friend is working on a Mardu Dragons list + Blue for Dragonlord Ojutai, Dragonlord Silumgar, and Treasure Cruise. What does your list look like?
Propelled
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark184 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 17:18:34
October 20 2015 17:16 GMT
#12493
On October 21 2015 01:39 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 20:36 Propelled wrote:
I've been working on a Grixis Dragons list for Gameday since BFZ was spoiled. The basic gameplan is to be reactive in the early game, dealing incidental damage with Draconic Roar and triggers from Thunderbreak Regent. Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury is then used to quickly end the game in a combat step or two.

So far I've been quite happy with the results, with decent results angainst the top decks like Jeskai, Atarka red and G/W megamorph.


What's the advantage of Grixis over Mardu Blue?

My friend is working on a Mardu Dragons list + Blue for Dragonlord Ojutai, Dragonlord Silumgar, and Treasure Cruise. What does your list look like?

+ Show Spoiler [decklist] +
Creatures: (11)
4x Thunderbreak Regent
3x Icefall Regent
2x Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
2x Silumgar, the Drifting Death

Instants: (15)
3x Anticipate
4x Draconic Roar
4x Silumgar's Scorn
1x Murderous Cut
3x Dig Through Time

Sorceries: (7)
3x Radiant Flames
2x Ruinous Path
2x Crux of Fate

Planeswalkers: (2)
2x Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands: (25)
4x Island
2x Mountain
1x Swamp
3x Smoldering Marsh
3x Sunken Hollow
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Polluted Delta
3x Shivan Reef
1x Haven of the Spirit Dragon

Sideboard:
1x Dragonlord Kolaghan
1x Dispel
2x Fiery Impulse
1x Disdainful Stroke
1x Negate
3x Foul-Tongue Invocation
1x Dragonlord's Prerogative
1x Despise
3x Duress
1x Virulent Plague

I like Grixis over 4-color since I'm using a lot of double colored spells. If I were to splash white, I'd replace the digs with cruises, icefalls with ojutai, and replacing path and Ob with Crackling Doom. While Ojutai is definitely more powerful than Icefall, I like the versatility of Path and Ob over Doom. In particular, Path provides a decent answer to walkers, which can otherwise be a problem for the deck.

When it comes to my list, I'm currently considering cutting the 3rd Icefall Regent for either a Dispel or a 4th Anticipate, and in my board I'm considering cutting Despise for a 2nd Plague or a 4th Flames.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
October 20 2015 18:01 GMT
#12494
On October 21 2015 02:16 Propelled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 01:39 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On October 20 2015 20:36 Propelled wrote:
I've been working on a Grixis Dragons list for Gameday since BFZ was spoiled. The basic gameplan is to be reactive in the early game, dealing incidental damage with Draconic Roar and triggers from Thunderbreak Regent. Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury is then used to quickly end the game in a combat step or two.

So far I've been quite happy with the results, with decent results angainst the top decks like Jeskai, Atarka red and G/W megamorph.


What's the advantage of Grixis over Mardu Blue?

My friend is working on a Mardu Dragons list + Blue for Dragonlord Ojutai, Dragonlord Silumgar, and Treasure Cruise. What does your list look like?

+ Show Spoiler [decklist] +
Creatures: (11)
4x Thunderbreak Regent
3x Icefall Regent
2x Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
2x Silumgar, the Drifting Death

Instants: (15)
3x Anticipate
4x Draconic Roar
4x Silumgar's Scorn
1x Murderous Cut
3x Dig Through Time

Sorceries: (7)
3x Radiant Flames
2x Ruinous Path
2x Crux of Fate

Planeswalkers: (2)
2x Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands: (25)
4x Island
2x Mountain
1x Swamp
3x Smoldering Marsh
3x Sunken Hollow
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Polluted Delta
3x Shivan Reef
1x Haven of the Spirit Dragon

Sideboard:
1x Dragonlord Kolaghan
1x Dispel
2x Fiery Impulse
1x Disdainful Stroke
1x Negate
3x Foul-Tongue Invocation
1x Dragonlord's Prerogative
1x Despise
3x Duress
1x Virulent Plague

I like Grixis over 4-color since I'm using a lot of double colored spells. If I were to splash white, I'd replace the digs with cruises, icefalls with ojutai, and replacing path and Ob with Crackling Doom. While Ojutai is definitely more powerful than Icefall, I like the versatility of Path and Ob over Doom. In particular, Path provides a decent answer to walkers, which can otherwise be a problem for the deck.

When it comes to my list, I'm currently considering cutting the 3rd Icefall Regent for either a Dispel or a 4th Anticipate, and in my board I'm considering cutting Despise for a 2nd Plague or a 4th Flames.


That list looks actually cool, I'm going to share that with my friend. I asked for his list and this is what he has so far:

Creatures 16
4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Khologan, the Storm's Fury
2 Silumgar, the Drifting Death
2 Dragonlord Ojutai
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Spells 19
4 Draconic Roar
4 Crackling Doom
3 Khologan's Command
3 Ruinous Path
2 Treasure Cruise
2 Radiant Flame
1 Murderous Cut

Lands: 26
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
4 Battlefield Forge
3 Blossoming Sands
3 Swamp
2 Shambling Vents
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
1 Badland
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Mountain

Sideboard: 15
4 Duress
2 Negate
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Crux of Fate
2 Utter End
2 Radiant Flame
1 Painful Truths


The main things about his adding of blue is because Stormbreath Dragon is no longer with us and he wanted to have powerful dragons to continue his usage of Draconic Roar. The big change is that he got blue dragons and treasure cruise. Its the same plan as your description of Grixis but a lot less control, playing more like a midrange deck. Drop threats, kill dudes, and at some point untap into Kologhan for 12-30 damage.

I will share your list with him to see if there's anything he'd like to incorporate. Thanks for the write up!
Propelled
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark184 Posts
October 20 2015 19:20 GMT
#12495
I guess that shows the different approaches we had to building our decks. I started out with Scorn and Roar and made a deck from there on
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
October 20 2015 19:29 GMT
#12496
On October 21 2015 04:20 Propelled wrote:
I guess that shows the different approaches we had to building our decks. I started out with Scorn and Roar and made a deck from there on


Oh wow!

I didn't even think of Esper/UB Dragons => Grixis

My mind is blown lol
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
October 20 2015 22:32 GMT
#12497
On October 20 2015 16:39 eluv wrote:
Which GW deck did you play? I've been proxying with Autum Burchett's (only 9-1 in constructed at the PT) list and it just feels pretty unfair some of the curve-outs the deck can have, but it doesn't play any(!) Gideons, instead opting for Archangel of Tithes.

magic.wizards.com has the decklist.

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here was my list. I maindecked Archangel of Tithes like Autumn, and I was the only one to beat her in constructed actually, so I think Archangel is the real deal. I'm interested in trying her list (maybe adding a 4th Archangel and a Hangarback or something) though especially considering I need to give back the Gideons I borrowed.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 21 2015 01:56 GMT
#12498
On October 21 2015 02:16 Propelled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 01:39 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On October 20 2015 20:36 Propelled wrote:
I've been working on a Grixis Dragons list for Gameday since BFZ was spoiled. The basic gameplan is to be reactive in the early game, dealing incidental damage with Draconic Roar and triggers from Thunderbreak Regent. Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury is then used to quickly end the game in a combat step or two.

So far I've been quite happy with the results, with decent results angainst the top decks like Jeskai, Atarka red and G/W megamorph.


What's the advantage of Grixis over Mardu Blue?

My friend is working on a Mardu Dragons list + Blue for Dragonlord Ojutai, Dragonlord Silumgar, and Treasure Cruise. What does your list look like?

+ Show Spoiler [decklist] +
Creatures: (11)
4x Thunderbreak Regent
3x Icefall Regent
2x Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
2x Silumgar, the Drifting Death

Instants: (15)
3x Anticipate
4x Draconic Roar
4x Silumgar's Scorn
1x Murderous Cut
3x Dig Through Time

Sorceries: (7)
3x Radiant Flames
2x Ruinous Path
2x Crux of Fate

Planeswalkers: (2)
2x Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands: (25)
4x Island
2x Mountain
1x Swamp
3x Smoldering Marsh
3x Sunken Hollow
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Polluted Delta
3x Shivan Reef
1x Haven of the Spirit Dragon

Sideboard:
1x Dragonlord Kolaghan
1x Dispel
2x Fiery Impulse
1x Disdainful Stroke
1x Negate
3x Foul-Tongue Invocation
1x Dragonlord's Prerogative
1x Despise
3x Duress
1x Virulent Plague

I like Grixis over 4-color since I'm using a lot of double colored spells. If I were to splash white, I'd replace the digs with cruises, icefalls with ojutai, and replacing path and Ob with Crackling Doom. While Ojutai is definitely more powerful than Icefall, I like the versatility of Path and Ob over Doom. In particular, Path provides a decent answer to walkers, which can otherwise be a problem for the deck.

When it comes to my list, I'm currently considering cutting the 3rd Icefall Regent for either a Dispel or a 4th Anticipate, and in my board I'm considering cutting Despise for a 2nd Plague or a 4th Flames.


I've definitely been looking at some Grixis dragon configurations but yours definitely looks the cleanest. Not sure if I can run the list without deltas/sunken hollows though so I'll probably just end up as Rakdos.
In Inca we trust
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
October 21 2015 03:06 GMT
#12499
So I'm going to be playing in GP Seattle in a few weeks here and I haven't played a game of non casual cube magic in 3 years. I have access to any deck I want and the most experience with Canadian Thresh. Anyone have a suggestion on what I should play?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 21 2015 03:23 GMT
#12500
On October 21 2015 12:06 Kirsed wrote:
So I'm going to be playing in GP Seattle in a few weeks here and I haven't played a game of non casual cube magic in 3 years. I have access to any deck I want and the most experience with Canadian Thresh. Anyone have a suggestion on what I should play?


If you're rusty, you should probably go with your most familiar deck, so Threshold. Or choose something utterly bizarre so that both you and your opponent have no idea what's going on thus evening things out .
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