• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:27
CET 06:27
KST 14:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION3
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLCH] Mission 7: Last Stand Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Monday Nights Weeklies SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RSL S3 ro16
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1708 users

Magic: The Gathering - Page 342

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 340 341 342 343 344 665 Next
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 20:38:23
April 05 2013 20:36 GMT
#6821
What about it? Orzhov charm seems loose and it just looks like 3 color good stuff in those colors. I would probably play a Stensia in the board since Esper can't actually beat that card unless they have a Jace.

Edit: Should clarify, Sphinx is a problem regardless, pretty sure that Vault does nothing against Esper but Stensia gives you something to do with your mana.
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 21:00:22
April 05 2013 20:44 GMT
#6822
That's true. I like that change since I had already dropped from 2 vaults to 1. What would you replace orhov charm with?

Edit: -2 orzhov charm, +2 mizzium mortars? Also went to 2 appetites in the side and placed a stensia there.

Double Edit: went +1 mizz and +1 blasphemous instead.

Triple Edit: That terminus on camera by Shaheen LOL
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 05 2013 21:05 GMT
#6823
Dunno, you play the deck, I have no idea what the interactions necessary are. Charm does hit Ghost Council so it's not worthless, but that's all you really want it for.

Also, read your cards...playing in the Invitational, don't read your cards, get punished.
Get it by your hands...
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 21:51:36
April 05 2013 21:51 GMT
#6824
On April 06 2013 05:09 Risen wrote:
Halp.

+ Show Spoiler +

Deck: RBW Sorin Control [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

//Lands
4 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
1 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Vault of the Archangel

//Spells
2 Bonfire of the Damned
3 Dreadbore
4 Faithless Looting
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
2 Orzhov Charm
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Tragic Slip

//Creatures
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Vampire Nighthawk

//Sideboard
3 Appetite for Brains
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Slaughter Games
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Rest in Peace
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Duress

What do you play turns 1&2?

Naya blitz will have 3 creatures out, you can't play any until turn 3 :/
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 23:14:13
April 05 2013 23:13 GMT
#6825
On April 06 2013 06:51 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 05:09 Risen wrote:
Halp.

+ Show Spoiler +

Deck: RBW Sorin Control [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

//Lands
4 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
1 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Vault of the Archangel

//Spells
2 Bonfire of the Damned
3 Dreadbore
4 Faithless Looting
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
2 Orzhov Charm
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Tragic Slip

//Creatures
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Vampire Nighthawk

//Sideboard
3 Appetite for Brains
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Slaughter Games
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Rest in Peace
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Duress

What do you play turns 1&2?

Naya blitz will have 3 creatures out, you can't play any until turn 3 :/


That's what I'm deathly afraid of >.<

Edit: But T1 looting, T2 potential souls or removal, T3 lili/souls/nighthawk, T4 olivia/sorin/other shenans, T5 obz/tmaw :S
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 05 2013 23:27 GMT
#6826
My list this weekend:

+ Show Spoiler +
2 Reforge the Soul
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Stromkirk Noble
4 Ash Zealot
4 Vexing Devil
4 Boros Charm
4 Madcap Skills
4 Searing Spear
2 Scorchwalker
1 Stonewright
4 Hellrider
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Clifftop Retreat
13 Mountain
1 Thunderous Wrath
1 Plains
1 Legion Loyalist
SB: 4 Boros Reckoner
SB: 4 Skullcrack
SB: 2 Ghost Quarter
SB: 2 Gather the Townsfolk
SB: EITHER 3 (Firefist Striker) OR 2 Cryptborn Horror 1 Assemble the Legion


I have some wiggle room to pick up cards tonight, but this is just built from what I have. Any ideas on fixes and my sideboard question? I basically want to play superfast Rw Agro, Boarding in Gather the Townsfolk for Naya Blitz or other Agro. My Rites plan is to just hit even faster than before, Pulling Vexing Devils for Firefist Strikers. I do have a playset of Cacklers, but I don't know where they should go.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#6827
I dont like the ash zealots in the same deck as burning tree, as you cant cast it off that floated mana. Also, angelic wall is preferable to gather for anti-aggro purposes, as it can be used more than once, and eats more trample damage when thaf happens on later turns. Other first strikers like elite inquisitor or thalia are also good, but less relevant with your relative lack of white.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#6828
On April 06 2013 03:06 iGrok wrote:
Any ideas on how Rw can beat Esper? Right now im essentially just folding, but if i can side in 2 cards i might try to actually win a game. Ive got charms for verdicts, 2x cavern of souls perhaps?


Slayers' stronghold works wonders, just play one creature at a time and keep buffing it. If they verdict your single creature, fine, you haste another one next turn. I also use angelic overseers, as they can eat a verdict if i have the requisite human up.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 17:21:35
April 06 2013 17:11 GMT
#6829
On April 06 2013 05:44 Risen wrote:
That's true. I like that change since I had already dropped from 2 vaults to 1. What would you replace orhov charm with?

Edit: -2 orzhov charm, +2 mizzium mortars? Also went to 2 appetites in the side and placed a stensia there.

Double Edit: went +1 mizz and +1 blasphemous instead.

Triple Edit: That terminus on camera by Shaheen LOL


Why are you taking out Orzhov Charm? is unconditional removal of any creature at instant speed. Sure you lose life but with nighthawk and ghost council I dont see that being an issue. Honestly I think Boros Reckoner and Thundermaw are the issue here. You're playing a mixed midranged control style yet have 2 aggressive creatures. I would look into faithmenders or something to combat planeswalkers like Orings.

Edit: Is Looting good in this deck? the only card you can use in the yard is Lingering souls, seems kinda loose but I guess it's your only way of digging for cards.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 17:21 GMT
#6830
Dreadbore does pretty well against plainswalkers :S

And later I put them back in after realizing I needed the instant speed. The TMaw is my "finisher" along with the two ghost dads. The reckoner is there to block and kill another creature in the agro matchup. The spot between midrange and control is where I want the deck to be as I am anticipating a low amount of control decks. My biggest issue, I feel like, is going to be facing reanimator.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 06 2013 17:23 GMT
#6831
On April 07 2013 02:21 Risen wrote:
Dreadbore does pretty well against plainswalkers :S

And later I put them back in after realizing I needed the instant speed. The TMaw is my "finisher" along with the two ghost dads. The reckoner is there to block and kill another creature in the agro matchup. The spot between midrange and control is where I want the deck to be as I am anticipating a low amount of control decks. My biggest issue, I feel like, is going to be facing reanimator.


I run a straight Orzhov midrange deck right now, and I normally lose game 1 but with board help you should handily win with access to RiP or tormods crypt plus your discard package.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 17:48:34
April 06 2013 17:24 GMT
#6832
So the two RiP and 2 appetites will be good enough ya think? That's comforting. Should I find room for a tormod's as well?

Edit: I also bring in slaughter games against reanimator, I feel like.

vs Reanimator: +3 appetite for brains, +2 slaughter games, +2 RiP. -3lilis, -4 Vampire Nighthawk

vs Midrange: +2 rakdos's return, -2 tragic slip (if they run boros reckoner -2 bonfire)

vs Control: +2 Duress, +1 stensia bloodhall, +1 assemble the legion, +2 rakdos's return, +2 slaughter games. -4 vampire nighthawk, -2 tragic slip, -2 bonfire

Double Edit: Oops, forgot aggro.

vs Agro: +2 Rolling Temblor, -1 tmaw, -1 olivia (??? I think this is correct. Both seem too slow to have too little impact when they hit the board)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
April 06 2013 17:30 GMT
#6833
Id play maybe 1 or two purify the grave instead as it gives you an instant speed answer to random unburial rites before you have rip down, and it also works well with looting.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 17:34 GMT
#6834
I'm fine with dropping the assemble the legion and adding in a purify the grave. Don't think I'd want to drop anything else, though.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
April 06 2013 17:55 GMT
#6835
Wow, GerryT punting two games in a row at the Invitational. Kind of painful to watch.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 18:08 GMT
#6836
On April 07 2013 02:55 Cel.erity wrote:
Wow, GerryT punting two games in a row at the Invitational. Kind of painful to watch.


Not enough sleep?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 06 2013 22:08 GMT
#6837
Goddamn it, built a deck to go under rites and blitz, and ive hit nothing but lifegain jund and control
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 23:40 GMT
#6838
That's nice. 4-2 9th place, hit two reanimators and lost in three final two rounds.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 07 2013 01:16 GMT
#6839
4-6 after hitting four jund agro straight, bant lifegain, and 2 american control. I was never 2-0'd, and hit only a single esper, and no rites or blitz. Apparently every one else hit them haha
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 07 2013 02:56 GMT
#6840
Not gonna lie, it's amusing watching the number of players who are terrible at Liliana when they don't have a grasp of match ups. Wonder how many people threw their games from their own Lily activation.
Get it by your hands...
Prev 1 340 341 342 343 344 665 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
01:00
#56
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech124
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 15842
Tasteless 79
Icarus 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever477
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Reynor44
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv426
Coldzera 146
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox445
Mew2King94
Other Games
summit1g11412
WinterStarcraft449
C9.Mang0269
ViBE58
SortOf3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1192
Counter-Strike
PGL138
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21368
League of Legends
• Lourlo948
• Stunt525
Other Games
• Scarra1254
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 33m
WardiTV Korean Royale
6h 33m
LAN Event
9h 33m
OSC
17h 33m
The PondCast
1d 4h
LAN Event
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
LAN Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
LAN Event
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.