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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 20:38:23
April 05 2013 20:36 GMT
#6821
What about it? Orzhov charm seems loose and it just looks like 3 color good stuff in those colors. I would probably play a Stensia in the board since Esper can't actually beat that card unless they have a Jace.

Edit: Should clarify, Sphinx is a problem regardless, pretty sure that Vault does nothing against Esper but Stensia gives you something to do with your mana.
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 21:00:22
April 05 2013 20:44 GMT
#6822
That's true. I like that change since I had already dropped from 2 vaults to 1. What would you replace orhov charm with?

Edit: -2 orzhov charm, +2 mizzium mortars? Also went to 2 appetites in the side and placed a stensia there.

Double Edit: went +1 mizz and +1 blasphemous instead.

Triple Edit: That terminus on camera by Shaheen LOL
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 05 2013 21:05 GMT
#6823
Dunno, you play the deck, I have no idea what the interactions necessary are. Charm does hit Ghost Council so it's not worthless, but that's all you really want it for.

Also, read your cards...playing in the Invitational, don't read your cards, get punished.
Get it by your hands...
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 21:51:36
April 05 2013 21:51 GMT
#6824
On April 06 2013 05:09 Risen wrote:
Halp.

+ Show Spoiler +

Deck: RBW Sorin Control [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

//Lands
4 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
1 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Vault of the Archangel

//Spells
2 Bonfire of the Damned
3 Dreadbore
4 Faithless Looting
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
2 Orzhov Charm
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Tragic Slip

//Creatures
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Vampire Nighthawk

//Sideboard
3 Appetite for Brains
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Slaughter Games
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Rest in Peace
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Duress

What do you play turns 1&2?

Naya blitz will have 3 creatures out, you can't play any until turn 3 :/
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 23:14:13
April 05 2013 23:13 GMT
#6825
On April 06 2013 06:51 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 05:09 Risen wrote:
Halp.

+ Show Spoiler +

Deck: RBW Sorin Control [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

//Lands
4 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
1 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Vault of the Archangel

//Spells
2 Bonfire of the Damned
3 Dreadbore
4 Faithless Looting
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
2 Orzhov Charm
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Tragic Slip

//Creatures
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Vampire Nighthawk

//Sideboard
3 Appetite for Brains
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Slaughter Games
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Rest in Peace
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Duress

What do you play turns 1&2?

Naya blitz will have 3 creatures out, you can't play any until turn 3 :/


That's what I'm deathly afraid of >.<

Edit: But T1 looting, T2 potential souls or removal, T3 lili/souls/nighthawk, T4 olivia/sorin/other shenans, T5 obz/tmaw :S
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 05 2013 23:27 GMT
#6826
My list this weekend:

+ Show Spoiler +
2 Reforge the Soul
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Stromkirk Noble
4 Ash Zealot
4 Vexing Devil
4 Boros Charm
4 Madcap Skills
4 Searing Spear
2 Scorchwalker
1 Stonewright
4 Hellrider
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Clifftop Retreat
13 Mountain
1 Thunderous Wrath
1 Plains
1 Legion Loyalist
SB: 4 Boros Reckoner
SB: 4 Skullcrack
SB: 2 Ghost Quarter
SB: 2 Gather the Townsfolk
SB: EITHER 3 (Firefist Striker) OR 2 Cryptborn Horror 1 Assemble the Legion


I have some wiggle room to pick up cards tonight, but this is just built from what I have. Any ideas on fixes and my sideboard question? I basically want to play superfast Rw Agro, Boarding in Gather the Townsfolk for Naya Blitz or other Agro. My Rites plan is to just hit even faster than before, Pulling Vexing Devils for Firefist Strikers. I do have a playset of Cacklers, but I don't know where they should go.
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#6827
I dont like the ash zealots in the same deck as burning tree, as you cant cast it off that floated mana. Also, angelic wall is preferable to gather for anti-aggro purposes, as it can be used more than once, and eats more trample damage when thaf happens on later turns. Other first strikers like elite inquisitor or thalia are also good, but less relevant with your relative lack of white.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#6828
On April 06 2013 03:06 iGrok wrote:
Any ideas on how Rw can beat Esper? Right now im essentially just folding, but if i can side in 2 cards i might try to actually win a game. Ive got charms for verdicts, 2x cavern of souls perhaps?


Slayers' stronghold works wonders, just play one creature at a time and keep buffing it. If they verdict your single creature, fine, you haste another one next turn. I also use angelic overseers, as they can eat a verdict if i have the requisite human up.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 17:21:35
April 06 2013 17:11 GMT
#6829
On April 06 2013 05:44 Risen wrote:
That's true. I like that change since I had already dropped from 2 vaults to 1. What would you replace orhov charm with?

Edit: -2 orzhov charm, +2 mizzium mortars? Also went to 2 appetites in the side and placed a stensia there.

Double Edit: went +1 mizz and +1 blasphemous instead.

Triple Edit: That terminus on camera by Shaheen LOL


Why are you taking out Orzhov Charm? is unconditional removal of any creature at instant speed. Sure you lose life but with nighthawk and ghost council I dont see that being an issue. Honestly I think Boros Reckoner and Thundermaw are the issue here. You're playing a mixed midranged control style yet have 2 aggressive creatures. I would look into faithmenders or something to combat planeswalkers like Orings.

Edit: Is Looting good in this deck? the only card you can use in the yard is Lingering souls, seems kinda loose but I guess it's your only way of digging for cards.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 17:21 GMT
#6830
Dreadbore does pretty well against plainswalkers :S

And later I put them back in after realizing I needed the instant speed. The TMaw is my "finisher" along with the two ghost dads. The reckoner is there to block and kill another creature in the agro matchup. The spot between midrange and control is where I want the deck to be as I am anticipating a low amount of control decks. My biggest issue, I feel like, is going to be facing reanimator.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 06 2013 17:23 GMT
#6831
On April 07 2013 02:21 Risen wrote:
Dreadbore does pretty well against plainswalkers :S

And later I put them back in after realizing I needed the instant speed. The TMaw is my "finisher" along with the two ghost dads. The reckoner is there to block and kill another creature in the agro matchup. The spot between midrange and control is where I want the deck to be as I am anticipating a low amount of control decks. My biggest issue, I feel like, is going to be facing reanimator.


I run a straight Orzhov midrange deck right now, and I normally lose game 1 but with board help you should handily win with access to RiP or tormods crypt plus your discard package.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 17:48:34
April 06 2013 17:24 GMT
#6832
So the two RiP and 2 appetites will be good enough ya think? That's comforting. Should I find room for a tormod's as well?

Edit: I also bring in slaughter games against reanimator, I feel like.

vs Reanimator: +3 appetite for brains, +2 slaughter games, +2 RiP. -3lilis, -4 Vampire Nighthawk

vs Midrange: +2 rakdos's return, -2 tragic slip (if they run boros reckoner -2 bonfire)

vs Control: +2 Duress, +1 stensia bloodhall, +1 assemble the legion, +2 rakdos's return, +2 slaughter games. -4 vampire nighthawk, -2 tragic slip, -2 bonfire

Double Edit: Oops, forgot aggro.

vs Agro: +2 Rolling Temblor, -1 tmaw, -1 olivia (??? I think this is correct. Both seem too slow to have too little impact when they hit the board)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
April 06 2013 17:30 GMT
#6833
Id play maybe 1 or two purify the grave instead as it gives you an instant speed answer to random unburial rites before you have rip down, and it also works well with looting.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 17:34 GMT
#6834
I'm fine with dropping the assemble the legion and adding in a purify the grave. Don't think I'd want to drop anything else, though.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
April 06 2013 17:55 GMT
#6835
Wow, GerryT punting two games in a row at the Invitational. Kind of painful to watch.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 18:08 GMT
#6836
On April 07 2013 02:55 Cel.erity wrote:
Wow, GerryT punting two games in a row at the Invitational. Kind of painful to watch.


Not enough sleep?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 06 2013 22:08 GMT
#6837
Goddamn it, built a deck to go under rites and blitz, and ive hit nothing but lifegain jund and control
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 06 2013 23:40 GMT
#6838
That's nice. 4-2 9th place, hit two reanimators and lost in three final two rounds.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 07 2013 01:16 GMT
#6839
4-6 after hitting four jund agro straight, bant lifegain, and 2 american control. I was never 2-0'd, and hit only a single esper, and no rites or blitz. Apparently every one else hit them haha
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 07 2013 02:56 GMT
#6840
Not gonna lie, it's amusing watching the number of players who are terrible at Liliana when they don't have a grasp of match ups. Wonder how many people threw their games from their own Lily activation.
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