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On April 01 2013 09:31 Shotcoder wrote:
I also agree with the sentiment it's not imbalanced but you also have to remember this is different from a top deck. This is a value top deck.
In the case of Terminus, it's not top decking a board sweeper. It's top decking a board sweeper for a discount. 1 Mana board wipe. This is what irks me, not Bonfire so much. With bonfire you need mana to make it's effect relevant either way. With terminus you can essentially destroy a game with 1 mana.
That's a fair way of looking at it. Still though, I don't think people talk about the number of times where Terminus is #miserable.
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I think the problem is that people look at one side of it, if the card read roll a 6-sided dice, 30% of the time cast it for W, 70% cast it for WW4, how would you rate the card? Probabilities were made up obviously, but the mechanic presents that kind of dilemma for the deck builder. I can appreciate that, not every one can though if you don't build your own deck.
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Friend convinced me to build an EDH deck. Maybe this casual shit isn't as bad as I thought. My Kami of the Cresent Moon general is fucking awesome.
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On April 02 2013 00:33 Risen wrote:
Friend convinced me to build an EDH deck. Maybe this casual shit isn't as bad as I thought. My Kami of the Cresent Moon general is fucking awesome.
EDH is really what you and your friends make it. A format where necropotence, hermit druid and sol ring are all legal certainly doesn't have to be casual.
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Yeah I currently run Kami stasis lock stall into Jin-Gitaxis polymorph :D:D:D:D
Edit: I've never played legacy and stasis was before I started, so this is my first experience playing anything with winter orb/stasis orb/stasis in a deck. It's glorious.
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Ya, similar situation here. Good times, as long as everyone is on the same page.
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As someone who has been playing since urza and just occasionally returns to the scene to check it out, I have to say that miracle is one of the more striking and imaginative mechanics I have seen so far in mtg. The 2012 pro tour Barcelona had a great final with Haynes' miracle deck. It was an awesome match to watch with a well-made pair of decks.
Although I do accept that probably, after a while, it would start to get extremely irritating.
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EDH league tonight, me and my friend are the only two who show up. He runs a UB Combo/Mill deck designed for 1v1, I run a Joke Jhoira (HiveMind, Eye of the Storm, Warp World, Scrambleverse, Thieve's Auction, Knowledge Pool, Giant Monsters). Usually its ok because we play 4 player games haha. So what do I get in my opening hand? Stranglehold. No tutoring for you!
What happens next is a one hour brawl where each life is vital. I'm throwing down Hamletback Goliaths and Twincasting the cipher-version of Windfall onto my 2/2 commander. He manages to Ult Tamiyo, and still its an incredibly close game. Finally we get down to this weird situation where he can bounce 4 permanents per turn to my hand, and STILL somehow I'm closing it out. He Mind Grinds for 12. 8 cards left in my deck. I swing. He bounces my Primordial, 4 damage goes through, he's down to 6. Mind Grind for 12 - I counterflux! My turn, I can swing for 4 damage. I could swing for lethal if I had my Greaves, but he took them when I cast Thieves' Auction (stealing his Lazav and manland) I get him to 2, and next turn he mind grinds my remaining cards away.
One of the most enjoyable games of magic I've ever played.
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Jhoira (HiveMind, Eye of the Storm, Warp World, Scrambleverse, Thieve's Auction, Knowledge Pool, Giant Monsters)
You awful troll, you. X-D
What's the "Giant Monsters" by the way? Gatherer doesn't recognize it. Unless you mean "Big Furry Monster." (which I guess you could still play under Jhoira)
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On April 02 2013 10:29 sc4k wrote:
As someone who has been playing since urza and just occasionally returns to the scene to check it out, I have to say that miracle is one of the more striking and imaginative mechanics I have seen so far in mtg. The 2012 pro tour Barcelona had a great final with Haynes' miracle deck. It was an awesome match to watch with a well-made pair of decks.
Although I do accept that probably, after a while, it would start to get extremely irritating.
There's nothing wrong with it if its a dedicated deck revolved around the mechanic, I think the others are complaining about 4-ofs and 2-ofs.
Regarding EDH, a friend just built a deck with the coinflip theme. Hilarious results.
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On April 02 2013 11:00 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +Jhoira (HiveMind, Eye of the Storm, Warp World, Scrambleverse, Thieve's Auction, Knowledge Pool, Giant Monsters) You awful troll, you. X-D What's the "Giant Monsters" by the way? Gatherer doesn't recognize it. Unless you mean " Big Furry Monster." (which I guess you could still play under Jhoira)
By Giant Monsters I mean I don't play creatures that cost less than 7 mana unless they have a really weird ability (Void Stalker, Galvanoth, Charmbreaker Devils)
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Will anyone here be at SCG Atlanta this weekend?
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Slow the deck down, a lot. Aggro with 1-2 drops does not work in EDH because you are trying to knock down 40 life instead of 20, and even if you are successful in a format with tons of board wipes, you have another player who you haven't touched to beat down. The goal of your deck would probably be to just play large RG creatures after ramping, then punching people with large creatures.
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Definitely needs more giant beaters. Stuff like terastodon will be sweet in that deck and won't break the bank. It's hard to tell without playing the deck, but I feel like the ratio of ramp/lands to powerful spells is off. I would cut some of your lower impact cards and add more high mana stuff, there are plenty of good options in green and red. Also, you have no real source of card advantage, stuff like harmonize or soul's majesty will help. You'll probably notice most of this yourself after a couple games so just have some fun and keep these suggestions in mind.
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I think I'm playing Esper unless I can figure out just what it is that isn't working with UWR currently. UWR is evolving in a direction where it loses a lot of the flexibility I liked and becomes just another midrange deck. If my plan was to cast sorcery speed 5 drops and win by reducing my opponent's life total to zero, I'd rather play a deck that produces green mana.
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A few things...
Aggro 1-2 drops can work in EDH provided you can generate card advantage out of them somehow like Edric...or you have big backup plan, like some Glissa builds with a reanimator sub theme.
My friend is going down to SCG Atlanta and will be rocking the Esper again. UWR is just in a terrible place right now because its best card is Assemble the Legion which is worse than Jace and next to worthless against Junk Reanimator. None of the match ups are terribly in its favor nor is it particularly good (or bad) against the field. Also, if you are playing Esper in this PTQ season, play some way to beat Junk Reanimator and I am not talking about Rest in Peace as that card is only so-so against the Junk version.
My sideboard has changed to reflect that since I ran into like 5 straight Junkers last night, when my Rest in Peaces got boarded in maybe 3 matches out of like 1000 before then. Considering some other tech, I want to be able to bring in 5 cards against Junk since more likely than not I'll be down 0-1.
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Evil Twin seems to be the tech right now, though with people moving back Angel of Glory's Rise it's hard to justify having less than 2 RIP/Tormod's type effects imo. Plus RIP has applications against UWR and such so it's not the worst card to have access to.
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My split is 1 Purify/2 RiP right now. I prefer Purify right now. I expect to see more Junk than Human at SCG Atlanta. It has limited applications to UWR post-board, not really sure that I want it since arguably Esper has better spells than UWR.
Evil Twin was in Wafo's board at PT GtC and it seems sweet, but the question is that is it necessary? Thragtusk Esper already handles pretty deftly right now, Angel is manageable (the Junk match up is so damn close game 1 at times, but Esper is pretty much never ahead in tempo or board). It's a sweet tech since it blanks future 'tusks and makes their future Angel plays worse, has implications against Primespeaker Bant more though.
Dunno, seems great on paper, dunno if Wafo actually bring it in. I think with more practice and tuning, dedicated Esper players have gotten better at some of the formerly even or under-even match ups for the deck.
Also, don't play Witchbanes in the board, it does literal nothing most of the time.
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Anyone who will be at Atlanta, I'd like to put together a TL meetup since I live there! Send me a PM if you're going 
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Evil Twin is also fine against Jund and Geist. Main reason for RIP against UWR isn't to blank Snapcaster so much as to take away the possibility of Harvest Pyre/Psychic Spiral as the matchup is already pretty good for Esper other than those 2 cards.
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EPT
