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Judicator
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Fawkes
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PM ploz? :D | ||
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iGrok
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On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote: Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online? PM ploz? :D I'd start with the Sorin vs Tibalt duel deck. Tibalt's mostly worthless, but Sorin's deck is a pretty good start | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote: Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online? PM ploz? :D What are you looking to do? Standard? Modern? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote: Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online? PM ploz? :D Maybe try Pauper for online play or Limited (Drafting)? For irl play, what format are you interested in? | ||
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Judicator
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Shotcoder
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On April 05 2013 06:47 Judicator wrote: Draft is definitely recommended over standard at this point in time. Agreed | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
In general, though, do you think it's time for control decks and controlly midrange decks to start running main board Rest in Peace? Not only reanimator, but Esper focuses heavily on flashback and snapcaster, the combo decks around Immortal Servitude and Angel of Glory's Rise fold to it game 1, etc. Against blitz it's somewhat of a dead card, but assuming you're running enough draw that one dead card won't kill you. | ||
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Lyter
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:03 deth2munkies wrote: I dunno, I like my Naya midrange deck I've been tweaking over the past few weeks. Can win out of nowhere T3 (assuming they shock themselves twice) and play a good long game. Finally added in Aurelia, the Warleader and big Garruk to raise my curve a bit now that aggro is slightly more out of style. In general, though, do you think it's time for control decks and controlly midrange decks to start running main board Rest in Peace? Not only reanimator, but Esper focuses heavily on flashback and snapcaster, the combo decks around Immortal Servitude and Angel of Glory's Rise fold to it game 1, etc. Against blitz it's somewhat of a dead card, but assuming you're running enough draw that one dead card won't kill you. For Esper players... No, the game is still winnable since Esper has mainboard Dissipates and you can arguably win against most non-human based Reanimator decks game 1. The game 1 match up I feel is much like the old Frites vs UB match up where in the beginning Frites was thought of as heavily favored and UB players were reluctant to mill at all with Drownyard as well as fearing the Unburial Rites disproportionately. That turned out to be a complete joke as later UB players just figured out the match up and crushed it handily. The non-human based matchups are similar in this case, I am losing them as Esper, but I am oh-so-close to just winning. So it's more on me as the player than it is on the deck. Games 2 and 3 I am not terribly worried about as the worst the board in against you is Ghost Council, so you have keep your Devours in (any decent opponent would never run their Ghost Council into Charm and have it get milled, unless they need to swing at your Jace). Against the Humans deck, it's arguably easier at times, but you do lose outright so you have to be aware of the Dissipate-Caverns-Angel interactions. The deck is popular for sure, but by no means lopsided. I ran into a Jund player mainboarding Ground Seals, even if that card cantrips, it's taking the slot of a relevant spell. I would imagine it would just mean he has to dance through the infinite Angel-Thragtusk-Angel interactions for the Reanimator match ups. As for Naya players, definitely no, why are you diluting your deck with irrelevant spells that do not contribute to your goal? | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On April 05 2013 08:42 Judicator wrote: For Esper players... No, the game is still winnable since Esper has mainboard Dissipates and you can arguably win against most non-human based Reanimator decks game 1. The game 1 match up I feel is much like the old Frites vs UB match up where in the beginning Frites was thought of as heavily favored and UB players were reluctant to mill at all with Drownyard as well as fearing the Unburial Rites disproportionately. That turned out to be a complete joke as later UB players just figured out the match up and crushed it handily. The non-human based matchups are similar in this case, I am losing them as Esper, but I am oh-so-close to just winning. So it's more on me as the player than it is on the deck. Games 2 and 3 I am not terribly worried about as the worst the board in against you is Ghost Council, so you have keep your Devours in (any decent opponent would never run their Ghost Council into Charm and have it get milled, unless they need to swing at your Jace). Against the Humans deck, it's arguably easier at times, but you do lose outright so you have to be aware of the Dissipate-Caverns-Angel interactions. The deck is popular for sure, but by no means lopsided. I ran into a Jund player mainboarding Ground Seals, even if that card cantrips, it's taking the slot of a relevant spell. I would imagine it would just mean he has to dance through the infinite Angel-Thragtusk-Angel interactions for the Reanimator match ups. As for Naya players, definitely no, why are you diluting your deck with irrelevant spells that do not contribute to your goal? Who said I'm a controllish midrange deck? I beat faces in. My favorite line came together last night twice in 1 match against BUG delver (He played 2 untapped shock lands each game). On the play: T1 land mana dork T2 smiter T3 attack, Rampager Bloodrush, Boros Charm double strike. Anyway, I've been seeing Esper lists here and there with mainboard RIP, I wasn't sure if it was worth it or not but saw the argument. | ||
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Judicator
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MCMcEmcee
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Audemed
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Judicator
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iGrok
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Fawkes
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On April 05 2013 06:40 Shotcoder wrote: What are you looking to do? Standard? Modern? Just really casual playing. No specific rules. Just gentlemen's agreement on nothing super gay. It's like we can afford super imba stuff. As for drafting, some are still in school and just simply don't have the means to pay for the cost, as little as it may seem to some others. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 06 2013 04:02 Fawkes wrote: Just really casual playing. No specific rules. Just gentlemen's agreement on nothing super gay. It's like we can afford super imba stuff. As for drafting, some are still in school and just simply don't have the means to pay for the cost, as little as it may seem to some others. Go for Pauper then. Alternatively, for a fun themed sort of thing how about chipping in to buy some Duel Decks and then each taking one and slowly evolving it? That way you can get that sense of ownership and story telling involved as well. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:06 iGrok wrote: Any ideas on how Rw can beat Esper? Right now im essentially just folding, but if i can side in 2 cards i might try to actually win a game. Ive got charms for verdicts, 2x cavern of souls perhaps? You mean straight Boros? If you mean that, then I wouldn't give a shit about their counterspells, the only counterspell I have post-board is Dispel, so it's whatever on Caverns, but guess that land does help with mana somewhat. Leave Boros Charm up at all times, and put them in the red zone. Try avoid getting your Reckoner Verdicted along with the rest of your creatures. Also, root for Jack Fogle, my buddy who's down in Atlanta right now at the SCG Invitational, multiple top 8s at SCGs and a recent PTQ. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Deck: RBW Sorin Control ![[image loading]](http://deckstats.net/mana/m/w.gif) ![[image loading]](http://deckstats.net/mana/m/b.gif) ![[image loading]](http://deckstats.net/mana/m/r.gif) //Lands 4 Blood Crypt 3 Clifftop Retreat 4 Dragonskull Summit 4 Godless Shrine 4 Isolated Chapel 1 Mountain 4 Sacred Foundry 1 Vault of the Archangel //Spells 2 Bonfire of the Damned 3 Dreadbore 4 Faithless Looting 3 Liliana of the Veil 4 Lingering Souls 2 Orzhov Charm 3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad 2 Tragic Slip //Creatures 4 Boros Reckoner 2 Obzedat, Ghost Council 1 Olivia Voldaren 1 Thundermaw Hellkite 4 Vampire Nighthawk //Sideboard 3 Appetite for Brains 2 Assemble the Legion 2 Slaughter Games 2 Rolling Temblor 2 Rest in Peace 2 Rakdos's Return 2 Duress | ||
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