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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 03 2013 20:52 GMT
#6801
Dunno about Jund, dont think theres a point to it. Neither Thrag or Olivia will kill me.
Get it by your hands...
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
April 04 2013 17:07 GMT
#6802
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 04 2013 20:10 GMT
#6803
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote:
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D

I'd start with the Sorin vs Tibalt duel deck. Tibalt's mostly worthless, but Sorin's deck is a pretty good start
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 04 2013 21:40 GMT
#6804
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote:
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D


What are you looking to do? Standard? Modern?
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 04 2013 21:41 GMT
#6805
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote:
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D

Maybe try Pauper for online play or Limited (Drafting)?

For irl play, what format are you interested in?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 04 2013 21:47 GMT
#6806
Draft is definitely recommended over standard at this point in time.
Get it by your hands...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 04 2013 22:42 GMT
#6807
On April 05 2013 06:47 Judicator wrote:
Draft is definitely recommended over standard at this point in time.



Agreed
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 23:08:30
April 04 2013 23:03 GMT
#6808
I dunno, I like my Naya midrange deck I've been tweaking over the past few weeks. Can win out of nowhere T3 (assuming they shock themselves twice) and play a good long game. Finally added in Aurelia, the Warleader and big Garruk to raise my curve a bit now that aggro is slightly more out of style.

In general, though, do you think it's time for control decks and controlly midrange decks to start running main board Rest in Peace? Not only reanimator, but Esper focuses heavily on flashback and snapcaster, the combo decks around Immortal Servitude and Angel of Glory's Rise fold to it game 1, etc. Against blitz it's somewhat of a dead card, but assuming you're running enough draw that one dead card won't kill you.
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
April 04 2013 23:29 GMT
#6809
RiP is stone cold dead to too many decks imo to main board it, but ground seal is ok if you want maindeck hate because it at least cycles you through your deck
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 04 2013 23:42 GMT
#6810
On April 05 2013 08:03 deth2munkies wrote:
I dunno, I like my Naya midrange deck I've been tweaking over the past few weeks. Can win out of nowhere T3 (assuming they shock themselves twice) and play a good long game. Finally added in Aurelia, the Warleader and big Garruk to raise my curve a bit now that aggro is slightly more out of style.

In general, though, do you think it's time for control decks and controlly midrange decks to start running main board Rest in Peace? Not only reanimator, but Esper focuses heavily on flashback and snapcaster, the combo decks around Immortal Servitude and Angel of Glory's Rise fold to it game 1, etc. Against blitz it's somewhat of a dead card, but assuming you're running enough draw that one dead card won't kill you.


For Esper players...

No, the game is still winnable since Esper has mainboard Dissipates and you can arguably win against most non-human based Reanimator decks game 1. The game 1 match up I feel is much like the old Frites vs UB match up where in the beginning Frites was thought of as heavily favored and UB players were reluctant to mill at all with Drownyard as well as fearing the Unburial Rites disproportionately. That turned out to be a complete joke as later UB players just figured out the match up and crushed it handily.

The non-human based matchups are similar in this case, I am losing them as Esper, but I am oh-so-close to just winning. So it's more on me as the player than it is on the deck. Games 2 and 3 I am not terribly worried about as the worst the board in against you is Ghost Council, so you have keep your Devours in (any decent opponent would never run their Ghost Council into Charm and have it get milled, unless they need to swing at your Jace).

Against the Humans deck, it's arguably easier at times, but you do lose outright so you have to be aware of the Dissipate-Caverns-Angel interactions. The deck is popular for sure, but by no means lopsided.

I ran into a Jund player mainboarding Ground Seals, even if that card cantrips, it's taking the slot of a relevant spell. I would imagine it would just mean he has to dance through the infinite Angel-Thragtusk-Angel interactions for the Reanimator match ups.

As for Naya players, definitely no, why are you diluting your deck with irrelevant spells that do not contribute to your goal?

Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 05 2013 01:39 GMT
#6811
On April 05 2013 08:42 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 08:03 deth2munkies wrote:
I dunno, I like my Naya midrange deck I've been tweaking over the past few weeks. Can win out of nowhere T3 (assuming they shock themselves twice) and play a good long game. Finally added in Aurelia, the Warleader and big Garruk to raise my curve a bit now that aggro is slightly more out of style.

In general, though, do you think it's time for control decks and controlly midrange decks to start running main board Rest in Peace? Not only reanimator, but Esper focuses heavily on flashback and snapcaster, the combo decks around Immortal Servitude and Angel of Glory's Rise fold to it game 1, etc. Against blitz it's somewhat of a dead card, but assuming you're running enough draw that one dead card won't kill you.


For Esper players...

No, the game is still winnable since Esper has mainboard Dissipates and you can arguably win against most non-human based Reanimator decks game 1. The game 1 match up I feel is much like the old Frites vs UB match up where in the beginning Frites was thought of as heavily favored and UB players were reluctant to mill at all with Drownyard as well as fearing the Unburial Rites disproportionately. That turned out to be a complete joke as later UB players just figured out the match up and crushed it handily.

The non-human based matchups are similar in this case, I am losing them as Esper, but I am oh-so-close to just winning. So it's more on me as the player than it is on the deck. Games 2 and 3 I am not terribly worried about as the worst the board in against you is Ghost Council, so you have keep your Devours in (any decent opponent would never run their Ghost Council into Charm and have it get milled, unless they need to swing at your Jace).

Against the Humans deck, it's arguably easier at times, but you do lose outright so you have to be aware of the Dissipate-Caverns-Angel interactions. The deck is popular for sure, but by no means lopsided.

I ran into a Jund player mainboarding Ground Seals, even if that card cantrips, it's taking the slot of a relevant spell. I would imagine it would just mean he has to dance through the infinite Angel-Thragtusk-Angel interactions for the Reanimator match ups.

As for Naya players, definitely no, why are you diluting your deck with irrelevant spells that do not contribute to your goal?


Who said I'm a controllish midrange deck? I beat faces in.

My favorite line came together last night twice in 1 match against BUG delver (He played 2 untapped shock lands each game). On the play:

T1 land mana dork
T2 smiter
T3 attack, Rampager Bloodrush, Boros Charm double strike.

Anyway, I've been seeing Esper lists here and there with mainboard RIP, I wasn't sure if it was worth it or not but saw the argument.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 05 2013 02:16 GMT
#6812
The you wasn't pointed at you. Calm down. There has been discussion by various people on the merits of GY hate for various decks, mainboard or otherwise.
Get it by your hands...
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
April 05 2013 03:11 GMT
#6813
RIP doesn't seem very good against Esper. I would only maindeck RIP if I expected to play against reanimator like every round or something.
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
April 05 2013 07:05 GMT
#6814
I'm siding RIP now to deal with american control. I have too many things that die to izzet charm and pillar, I can't let them cast that stuff repeatedly. Just shutting down snapcaster is huge. Silly as it sounds, I've also considered blind obedience, just to stop flash blocks.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 05 2013 13:07 GMT
#6815
RiP is useful in Esper mirrors if you think they're on the Spiral plan which is a terrible plan btw.
Get it by your hands...
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 05 2013 18:06 GMT
#6816
Any ideas on how Rw can beat Esper? Right now im essentially just folding, but if i can side in 2 cards i might try to actually win a game. Ive got charms for verdicts, 2x cavern of souls perhaps?
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Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
April 05 2013 19:02 GMT
#6817
On April 05 2013 06:40 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote:
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D


What are you looking to do? Standard? Modern?


Just really casual playing. No specific rules. Just gentlemen's agreement on nothing super gay. It's like we can afford super imba stuff. As for drafting, some are still in school and just simply don't have the means to pay for the cost, as little as it may seem to some others.
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 05 2013 19:05 GMT
#6818
On April 06 2013 04:02 Fawkes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 06:40 Shotcoder wrote:
On April 05 2013 02:07 Fawkes wrote:
Don't know where else to ask this, I've played MtG on and off throughout my life, just really casually with a few friends here and there. I'm looking to start playing again (the card version), and wondered for some ideas of relatively cheap decks I could shop and piece together online?

PM ploz? :D


What are you looking to do? Standard? Modern?


Just really casual playing. No specific rules. Just gentlemen's agreement on nothing super gay. It's like we can afford super imba stuff. As for drafting, some are still in school and just simply don't have the means to pay for the cost, as little as it may seem to some others.

Go for Pauper then. Alternatively, for a fun themed sort of thing how about chipping in to buy some Duel Decks and then each taking one and slowly evolving it? That way you can get that sense of ownership and story telling involved as well.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 05 2013 19:47 GMT
#6819
On April 06 2013 03:06 iGrok wrote:
Any ideas on how Rw can beat Esper? Right now im essentially just folding, but if i can side in 2 cards i might try to actually win a game. Ive got charms for verdicts, 2x cavern of souls perhaps?


You mean straight Boros? If you mean that, then I wouldn't give a shit about their counterspells, the only counterspell I have post-board is Dispel, so it's whatever on Caverns, but guess that land does help with mana somewhat.

Leave Boros Charm up at all times, and put them in the red zone. Try avoid getting your Reckoner Verdicted along with the rest of your creatures.

Also, root for Jack Fogle, my buddy who's down in Atlanta right now at the SCG Invitational, multiple top 8s at SCGs and a recent PTQ.
Get it by your hands...
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 05 2013 20:09 GMT
#6820
Halp.

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Deck: RBW Sorin Control [image loading] [image loading] [image loading]

//Lands
4 Blood Crypt
3 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
1 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
1 Vault of the Archangel

//Spells
2 Bonfire of the Damned
3 Dreadbore
4 Faithless Looting
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
2 Orzhov Charm
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Tragic Slip

//Creatures
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Vampire Nighthawk

//Sideboard
3 Appetite for Brains
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Slaughter Games
2 Rolling Temblor
2 Rest in Peace
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Duress
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