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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 18 2010 18:35 GMT
#381
somehwat off topic but the concept of card advantage didn't register to me when i played YGO as a kid. "sac two guys to dark magician YAAAAAY" and it gets blown up by raegeki -_-

nowadays its like lol "Bloodbraid cascade into blightning" lol

just a lil random thing i felt like putting out there
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
November 18 2010 19:15 GMT
#382
On November 18 2010 14:17 snorlax wrote:
all the pro magic players have their own forum that is very secretive. also starcity games forum seems pretty meh, I mean vampires as a "deck to beat" for standard, I know I know it exists but Id rather play WW Quest then vampires.


the starcitygames forum is pretty much dead. no one really posts at all so the vampires thread from last year.

that being said i actually think the newer vampires list is more consistent than WW quest(not very hard to do). i sleeved it up and did some playtesting and there are alot of cool hidden synergies. and the deck is surprisingly hard to play for an aggro deck. definitely not just puke out guys and turn them sideways.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 19 2010 01:42 GMT
#383
On November 19 2010 04:15 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 14:17 snorlax wrote:
all the pro magic players have their own forum that is very secretive. also starcity games forum seems pretty meh, I mean vampires as a "deck to beat" for standard, I know I know it exists but Id rather play WW Quest then vampires.


the starcitygames forum is pretty much dead. no one really posts at all so the vampires thread from last year.

that being said i actually think the newer vampires list is more consistent than WW quest(not very hard to do). i sleeved it up and did some playtesting and there are alot of cool hidden synergies. and the deck is surprisingly hard to play for an aggro deck. definitely not just puke out guys and turn them sideways.


which list are you using? the utility blades one or the pulse tracker one?
Get it by your hands...
snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
November 19 2010 02:12 GMT
#384
yeah I started playing competitively last year right after zendikar came out, I had a friend who is quite skilled at magic and we used to talk about or respective "odd sports" so I decided to start playing and I payed Boros. Then for wwk I played random T2 decks but with ROe I played jund. Thats when I truly realized what card advantage was shits so Op. As for the whole vamps thing the decks fine, but its a Tier 2 deck for sure, you pretty much just scoop to pyroclasam.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
November 19 2010 15:55 GMT
#385
On November 19 2010 10:42 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 04:15 Orpheos wrote:
On November 18 2010 14:17 snorlax wrote:
all the pro magic players have their own forum that is very secretive. also starcity games forum seems pretty meh, I mean vampires as a "deck to beat" for standard, I know I know it exists but Id rather play WW Quest then vampires.


the starcitygames forum is pretty much dead. no one really posts at all so the vampires thread from last year.

that being said i actually think the newer vampires list is more consistent than WW quest(not very hard to do). i sleeved it up and did some playtesting and there are alot of cool hidden synergies. and the deck is surprisingly hard to play for an aggro deck. definitely not just puke out guys and turn them sideways.


which list are you using? the utility blades one or the pulse tracker one?


both? its the one that top4'd SCG boston
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=35526

its not tier one, but if your meta isnt good with dealing with swarm aggro decks, it has good chances. lots of reach with kalastria highborn. although i would really like bloodthrone vamp to have flying >_<
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 19 2010 17:37 GMT
#386
That doesn't have duress/inquistion, etc. The other build I was referring to was linking up a bunch of 1 or 2 disruption plays for turn 3 aggro and then a mind sludge. I have noticed that deck encourages poor sideboarding from the opponent sometimes, like they're expecting mind sludge and side (incorrectly) accordingly for it.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 19 2010 22:52 GMT
#387
quick and easy mtg question

let's say a card says "when a goblin comes into play, you gain a thousand life"

and as it were, the card that says that is a goblin creature

so, when you play this creature, would you gain 1000 life? or does it only count for future goblin creatures played?
prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:02:43
November 19 2010 23:02 GMT
#388
On November 20 2010 07:52 travis wrote:
quick and easy mtg question

let's say a card says "when a goblin comes into play, you gain a thousand life"

and as it were, the card that says that is a goblin creature

so, when you play this creature, would you gain 1000 life? or does it only count for future goblin creatures played?

the "when a" clause makes it a triggered ability. triggered abilities can only be put on the stack when the permanent is in play unless it says otherwise (for example, cards with triggered abilities that trigger in the graveyard)

aka no, you'd have to play another goblin first
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 19 2010 23:08 GMT
#389
On November 20 2010 08:02 prodiG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 07:52 travis wrote:
quick and easy mtg question

let's say a card says "when a goblin comes into play, you gain a thousand life"

and as it were, the card that says that is a goblin creature

so, when you play this creature, would you gain 1000 life? or does it only count for future goblin creatures played?

the "when a" clause makes it a triggered ability. triggered abilities can only be put on the stack when the permanent is in play unless it says otherwise (for example, cards with triggered abilities that trigger in the graveyard)

aka no, you'd have to play another goblin first


Incorrect.

Think about what you're saying, if it worked that way everything that says "when this comes into play, bounce target x" or whatever wouldn't work. You gain 1000 life, it works.

however a modern card would never be templated that way as they recognize the potential confusion arising from it. Try checking oracle wording for the one you're curious about.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 19 2010 23:17 GMT
#390
It would need to say, When "another" goblin comes into play, gain 1000 life, for itself to not count as a trigger.

I don't know the exact reasons why as far as rulings are concerned, not sure, but most of the interactions that you can do support this, same reason why valakut doesn't work when you just play a 5th mountain, but if you bring a 5th and 6th mountain into play at the same time you get 2 triggers.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 23:34:49
November 19 2010 23:34 GMT
#391
It's because somebody would have to be about to get priority (that is, the chance to play something) before the game checks to see if any triggered abilities have come up. So

- Goblin resolves
- Goblin enters the battlefield
- Now play could resume, so the game does a quick check to make sure everything that should be happening is. It sees that you have an ability that gains you 1000 life whenever a goblin enters play, and that a goblin entered play since the last time it checked, so it creates a triggered ability to gain 1000 life and you put it on the stack.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 20 2010 00:38 GMT
#392
this card looks freaking awesome

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=All Is Dust&sn=Rise of the Eldrazi
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 01:23:10
November 20 2010 01:19 GMT
#393
On November 20 2010 08:08 UniversalSnip wrote:
however a modern card would never be templated that way as they recognize the potential confusion arising from it. Try checking oracle wording for the one you're curious about.

This. All modern cards and the retroactive oracle text for past cards use one of the following wordings to avoid confusion:

"Whenever another <type> enters the battlefield..."

or

"Whenever <this> or another <type> enters the battlefield..."

The best way to confirm which one the card in question is meant to be is to check the current oracle text.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 20 2010 01:22 GMT
#394
This is the deck I'm playing right now, didn't add sideboard yet tho. What do you guys think? Didn't get to play any FNMs yet but I'll post some results when I have!

It's the swedish magic site but you should be able to see all the cards just fine:

http://www.svenskamagic.com/deckbox/index.php?ID=69121&format=Allt&kategori=Allt
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 20 2010 01:23 GMT
#395
this was actually the card that made me ask

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Thief of Hope
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 01:28:15
November 20 2010 01:27 GMT
#396
On November 20 2010 10:23 travis wrote:
this was actually the card that made me ask

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Thief of Hope

That trigger is entirely different. It triggers on a Spirit or Arcane spell being *played*, not on coming into play (part of the reason that WotC now words "comes into play" as "enters the battlefield" is so that "x is played" triggers and "x comes into play" triggers don't get confused, as they are here). In that case, it does not trigger it's own ability.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-20 01:29:58
November 20 2010 01:28 GMT
#397
I'd say no, since you got to have the creature on the battlefield to have the effect, but then you have already played the spell. But again I'm pretty new to magic so I might be wrong.

Oh and about forums btw, imo mtg Salvation is the best magic forum I've found so far, really active forum.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 20 2010 01:29 GMT
#398
jesus that's confusing
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 20 2010 01:32 GMT
#399
On November 20 2010 10:28 Zoler wrote:
Oh and about forums btw, imo mtg Salvation is the best magic forum I've found so far, really active forum.

As a community, MTGSalvation is perfectly fine. It's just that it's not really the best place to go for info with regard to deckbuilding/competitive help because of how widely the player skill can vary.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 20 2010 01:32 GMT
#400
honestly, i still don't even understand what the difference would be in the example i gave with the goblin, and with the actual card (thief of hope)
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