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bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
November 14 2010 02:41 GMT
#341
You could make more 3/3s, however if you read the ability, it applies to creatures of type Golem, not just the precursor, so if you had a Lodestone Golem and he cast Shatter on it, it would destroy the Precursor and the others as well.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2010 02:51 GMT
#342
On November 14 2010 10:19 Nub4ever wrote:
Just curious but what would happen if you'd blink precursor golem with venser/glimmerpoint stag? the 2 tokens shouldn't die cause its not an instant or a sorcery right? Also couldn't you just make an army of 3/3's or would they all still be tyed to the 1 card and all die to like a turn to slag...


You could blink it with venser or whatever and make an army, it wouldn't copy the ability. But yeah, they'd all die to a kill spell.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 14 2010 03:51 GMT
#343
Hmm, I am curious about counterspells with Precursor Golem, namely when a single sorcery or instant targeting PG, but that spell is countered, would the countered spell still be copied for each other golem?
Get it by your hands...
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 18:04:57
November 14 2010 05:08 GMT
#344
I'm no expert on rules but if its countered the spell never resolves so the tokens are never created amirite?

Edit: Sorry misunderstood.
Dota 3hard5me
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 14 2010 06:14 GMT
#345
On November 14 2010 14:08 Nub4ever wrote:
I'm no expert on rules but if its countered the spell never resolves so the tokens are never created amirite?


Read more carefully.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2010 06:38 GMT
#346
On November 14 2010 12:51 Judicator wrote:
Hmm, I am curious about counterspells with Precursor Golem, namely when a single sorcery or instant targeting PG, but that spell is countered, would the countered spell still be copied for each other golem?

A similar scenario arises with regard to Pyromancer Ascension. The ruling I found was thus:

If either of Pyromancer Ascension's abilities triggers, it will go on the stack on top of the spell that caused it to trigger. The ability will resolve first. If it's Pyromancer Ascension's second ability that triggered, the copy it creates will also resolve before the original spell. The copy is created even if the original spell has been countered.
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evilsaint
Profile Joined August 2010
United States309 Posts
November 14 2010 07:50 GMT
#347
Any ideas as to where I should buy tix, aside from the WoTG store?
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 14 2010 08:14 GMT
#348
I WOULD be playing MTGO (I had an account before, forgot pass and crap. don't care...)...but it doesn't work on linux/wine, so I don't bother

I think I'll be getting back into the regular MtG card game though...
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2010 08:56 GMT
#349
Counterspells have absolutely no interaction with precursor golem.

If you counter the spell, golem never enters the battlefield hence never creates tokens. However nothing gets copied when you counterspell it.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 14 2010 15:43 GMT
#350
On November 14 2010 17:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
Counterspells have absolutely no interaction with precursor golem.

If you counter the spell, golem never enters the battlefield hence never creates tokens. However nothing gets copied when you counterspell it.


Read more carefully....again...Yango already answered, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure when spell is copied.
Get it by your hands...
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
November 14 2010 16:20 GMT
#351
For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2010 16:22 GMT
#352
On November 15 2010 00:43 Judicator wrote:
Read more carefully....again...Yango already answered, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure when spell is copied.

Strictly speaking, the spell is copied when the triggered ability resolves (which would be below the counterspell on the stack). It's just that the trigger doesn't actually target the spell, so even though the spell no longer exists on the stack, the trigger doesn't fizzle.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 14 2010 16:37 GMT
#353
On November 15 2010 01:20 Jarvs wrote:
For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual.


Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read.

Yango, thanks for the clarification.
Get it by your hands...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 14 2010 16:48 GMT
#354
Magic almost feels a little boring to me since I can't get any interest in any cards except in the top decks pros use, feels like so much potential lost...
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2010 17:58 GMT
#355
On November 15 2010 01:37 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 01:20 Jarvs wrote:
For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual.


Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read.

Yango, thanks for the clarification.


I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong.

Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
November 14 2010 18:07 GMT
#356
On November 15 2010 02:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 01:37 Judicator wrote:
On November 15 2010 01:20 Jarvs wrote:
For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual.


Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read.

Yango, thanks for the clarification.


I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong.

Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play.



He was asking about countering the sorcery or instant _targeting_ the golem. Not countering the actual golem.

Thus him telling you guys that you were unable to read. Though it was a bit unnecessary of him to not simply clarify right away...
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2010 18:09 GMT
#357
Ah, ok. In that case, he's just an ass.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
November 14 2010 18:09 GMT
#358
On November 15 2010 02:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 01:37 Judicator wrote:
On November 15 2010 01:20 Jarvs wrote:
For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual.


Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read.

Yango, thanks for the clarification.


I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong.

Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play.

Judicator means what happens when you counter a instant or sorcery targeting the golem, not the golem itself...
Dota 3hard5me
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-14 18:17:12
November 14 2010 18:15 GMT
#359
On November 15 2010 03:09 UniversalSnip wrote:
Ah, ok. In that case, he's just an ass.


I am an ass when you are the second person to make that mistake? Really? Was "Read more carefully" too harsh? Or did TL.net suddenly implement just-the-first-sentence-of-a-post for rules?
Get it by your hands...
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2010 19:10 GMT
#360
I'm pretty sure deliberately not clarifying so you can get away with being snotty to people who misread your post qualifies, yeah.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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