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bobbob
United States368 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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On November 14 2010 10:19 Nub4ever wrote: Just curious but what would happen if you'd blink precursor golem with venser/glimmerpoint stag? the 2 tokens shouldn't die cause its not an instant or a sorcery right? Also couldn't you just make an army of 3/3's or would they all still be tyed to the 1 card and all die to like a turn to slag... You could blink it with venser or whatever and make an army, it wouldn't copy the ability. But yeah, they'd all die to a kill spell. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
Edit: Sorry misunderstood. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 14 2010 14:08 Nub4ever wrote: I'm no expert on rules but if its countered the spell never resolves so the tokens are never created amirite? Read more carefully. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 14 2010 12:51 Judicator wrote: Hmm, I am curious about counterspells with Precursor Golem, namely when a single sorcery or instant targeting PG, but that spell is countered, would the countered spell still be copied for each other golem? A similar scenario arises with regard to Pyromancer Ascension. The ruling I found was thus: If either of Pyromancer Ascension's abilities triggers, it will go on the stack on top of the spell that caused it to trigger. The ability will resolve first. If it's Pyromancer Ascension's second ability that triggered, the copy it creates will also resolve before the original spell. The copy is created even if the original spell has been countered. | ||
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evilsaint
United States309 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
I think I'll be getting back into the regular MtG card game though... | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
If you counter the spell, golem never enters the battlefield hence never creates tokens. However nothing gets copied when you counterspell it. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 14 2010 17:56 UniversalSnip wrote: Counterspells have absolutely no interaction with precursor golem. If you counter the spell, golem never enters the battlefield hence never creates tokens. However nothing gets copied when you counterspell it. Read more carefully....again...Yango already answered, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure when spell is copied. | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 15 2010 00:43 Judicator wrote: Read more carefully....again...Yango already answered, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure when spell is copied. Strictly speaking, the spell is copied when the triggered ability resolves (which would be below the counterspell on the stack). It's just that the trigger doesn't actually target the spell, so even though the spell no longer exists on the stack, the trigger doesn't fizzle. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:20 Jarvs wrote: For the ability to be copied, PG needs to be in play. UniversalSnip is correct, there is no interaction or unusual triggers when countering PG, other than countering the spell like usual. Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read. Yango, thanks for the clarification. | ||
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Zoler
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UniversalSnip
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On November 15 2010 01:37 Judicator wrote: Okay, you are literally the third person who can't read. Yango, thanks for the clarification. I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong. Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play. | ||
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
On November 15 2010 02:58 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong. Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play. He was asking about countering the sorcery or instant _targeting_ the golem. Not countering the actual golem. Thus him telling you guys that you were unable to read. Though it was a bit unnecessary of him to not simply clarify right away... | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On November 15 2010 02:58 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I played this game at a high level for a long time and I know what I'm talking about. Yango is completely wrong. Nothing special happens when you counterspell golem because unless an ability specifically says otherwise or unless it wouldn't work at all otherwise, abilities only apply when the card they're on is in play. Judicator means what happens when you counter a instant or sorcery targeting the golem, not the golem itself... | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 15 2010 03:09 UniversalSnip wrote: Ah, ok. In that case, he's just an ass. I am an ass when you are the second person to make that mistake? Really? Was "Read more carefully" too harsh? Or did TL.net suddenly implement just-the-first-sentence-of-a-post for rules? | ||
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UniversalSnip
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