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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 06:31:35
August 19 2012 06:30 GMT
#3881
On August 19 2012 10:35 last.resistance wrote:
So I was watching day 1 of the World Magic Cup, and they were talking about Rummaging Goblin.

Why is it more expensive that Merfolk Looter? Rummaging (what they called red looting) is worse the looting, the stats are the same, so why make the red version worse?


Red's not the color that draws much, so the cards it gets that draw are lesser in power than the blue, which is the best at that.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 19 2012 14:36 GMT
#3882
On August 19 2012 15:18 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, I'm new to magic, but I've been running the death's encroach event deck with some minor modifications (Replaced gloom surgeon and crypt creeper) http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...ily/arcana/967

Come october 5th I'm losing most of my spells and my skinrenders and my cemetery reaper. I'm looking to maybe move into some sort of blue/Black zombie deck after getting pounded by a deck with a fair amount of protection from black. I need removal, some sort of replacement for lastwrithe. Duress should help replace despise and distress, mind rot might also help. Can I get some card suggestions?


Wait till you see the Return to Ravanica spoilers before making a call. You might have to be playing BUG or BG Zombies given that Golgari is in the first set. I don't think Rakdos is Zombie-iirc.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 19 2012 18:59 GMT
#3883
On August 19 2012 23:36 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 15:18 stormtemplar wrote:
Hey guys, I'm new to magic, but I've been running the death's encroach event deck with some minor modifications (Replaced gloom surgeon and crypt creeper) http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...ily/arcana/967

Come october 5th I'm losing most of my spells and my skinrenders and my cemetery reaper. I'm looking to maybe move into some sort of blue/Black zombie deck after getting pounded by a deck with a fair amount of protection from black. I need removal, some sort of replacement for lastwrithe. Duress should help replace despise and distress, mind rot might also help. Can I get some card suggestions?


Wait till you see the Return to Ravanica spoilers before making a call. You might have to be playing BUG or BG Zombies given that Golgari is in the first set. I don't think Rakdos is Zombie-iirc.

Rakdos typically does demons, seeing as Rakdos himself is a demon.

Jarad is a zombie, though, so we're going to see plenty of B/G zombies in RtR, scavenge could be cool too
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 21 2012 04:23 GMT
#3884
TWoo has a nice and concise article written about deck building over at Channelfireball. Given that rotation is in 2 months (less than), it's a good place for new players and old players to read.

I don't agree with his self-testing only on MWS, but the only real reason I play on MWS is to get a feel for the decks flying under the radar at any given moment. That was invaluable for me when I was testing/updating UB control and more so when Esper control became the norm once Zombies became an actual deck and Swords hit 50 bucks. However, Woo doesn't play/make those kind of decks, his signature decks are more proactive than reactive so I can see where he's coming from.

In any case, great read for any one wondering on how to actually build a deck rather than piloting someone else's or tweaking an existing list.

Get it by your hands...
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
August 22 2012 06:01 GMT
#3885
Twoo is a dumbfuck

not trolling, listening to him would get you nowhere 90% of the time, and backwards 10% of the time.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 22 2012 13:45 GMT
#3886
On August 22 2012 15:01 hkf wrote:
Twoo is a dumbfuck

not trolling, listening to him would get you nowhere 90% of the time, and backwards 10% of the time.


Because you're known for building great decks and crushing his pathetic attempts 90% of the time.

Get fucking real. You haven't even read the article, and I can confirm it's quite good for people looking to learn how to build decks. I learned some shit.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 22 2012 15:00 GMT
#3887
On August 22 2012 15:01 hkf wrote:
Twoo is a dumbfuck

not trolling, listening to him would get you nowhere 90% of the time, and backwards 10% of the time.


Apparently not reading either. He doesn't tell you how to build his decks. He tells you how most brewers build their decks anyways. Conley does roughly the same things. Others don't actually build their decks, a lot of PT players don't, they just test and tweak.

TWoo's brews has had enough success for him to be considered a top deck builder...Living End...Poison in Modern...RobotRun in standard...Angel's Rise in block...Mono Green ramp in Standard again. He's had a hand in building all of those decks either identifying key pieces or constructing the deck from scratch.

That's not something you just say TWoo is a dumbfuck to. Do yourself a favor and go actually read the article before assuming shit and making yourself look like a complete ass.
Get it by your hands...
ScaryGhost
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 15:37:09
August 23 2012 15:36 GMT
#3888
So, I haven't played magic in around 11 years, but I was bored one night when there was no SC streamers I wanted to watch and I saw a MTGO stream. MTG being an old flame, that was only snuffed out by Everquest, naturally intrigued me. After watching a few drafts I was totally interested again. I'm looking for people to play with, and lots of advice, so if you're interested in playing with an newb add me on MTGO, account name is the same as it is here. I have a bunch of questions, so you can just tell me to fuck off if you want.
Park Soo Ho I love you!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 23 2012 16:38 GMT
#3889
On August 24 2012 00:36 ScaryGhost wrote:
So, I haven't played magic in around 11 years, but I was bored one night when there was no SC streamers I wanted to watch and I saw a MTGO stream. MTG being an old flame, that was only snuffed out by Everquest, naturally intrigued me. After watching a few drafts I was totally interested again. I'm looking for people to play with, and lots of advice, so if you're interested in playing with an newb add me on MTGO, account name is the same as it is here. I have a bunch of questions, so you can just tell me to fuck off if you want.


Just ask away in this thread, most people will respond. We might have different opinions on certain things though.
Get it by your hands...
ScaryGhost
Profile Joined May 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 07:11:17
August 24 2012 06:45 GMT
#3890
Well I'd mostly like to know if it's possible to play a constructed standard deck that doesn't cost hundreds of dollars. I had some other questions too, but I can't remember all of them at the moment, so I'll just ask them as they come up I suppose.
Park Soo Ho I love you!
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
August 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#3891
Here is a deck that recently went 4-0 in an online tournament for $85: http://www.mtgo-stats.com/decks/21592 (There are lots of other decks on the site, all with their prices) Variations of this deck were also very successful at the World Magic Cup last weekend. It's definitely capable of winning and it's as cheap as you are going to get for this standard season.
skating
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 24 2012 13:48 GMT
#3892
Don't invest in that deck right now, rotation happens in a little more than a month. I suggest you just draft until rotation happens.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#3893
Just after rotation is the best time to go all in on standard because all of your cards will remain legal for the longest time.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 26 2012 22:22 GMT
#3894
Regarding the discussion about Travis Woo, I had a question. How do you guys define a player worth listening too? I get the feeling that most players have this funny bias against guys who do consistently well in SCG tournaments. I guess, what I'm getting at is, what defines "good" to you?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 26 2012 22:33 GMT
#3895
On August 27 2012 07:22 slyboogie wrote:
Regarding the discussion about Travis Woo, I had a question. How do you guys define a player worth listening too? I get the feeling that most players have this funny bias against guys who do consistently well in SCG tournaments. I guess, what I'm getting at is, what defines "good" to you?


Honestly, I listen to everyone that has a decent amount of data and makes logical sense. Then I practice and make my own theories based on theirs.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
August 26 2012 22:44 GMT
#3896
Well, I'm also not very familiar with the competitive scene of Magic. So I have no idea who Travis Woo is, what are his accomplishments? I should say that I like his writing style for a website like that. It's very personable and easy to read.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#3897
On August 27 2012 07:44 slyboogie wrote:
Well, I'm also not very familiar with the competitive scene of Magic. So I have no idea who Travis Woo is, what are his accomplishments? I should say that I like his writing style for a website like that. It's very personable and easy to read.

He brews rogue decks that win things. There are at least 2 that I know of: Green summer is the newest one and it top 8'd a couple of SCG opens, then Living End which top 8'd a couple of GPs as well. Both are still players in the meta.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#3898
On August 27 2012 07:22 slyboogie wrote:
Regarding the discussion about Travis Woo, I had a question. How do you guys define a player worth listening too? I get the feeling that most players have this funny bias against guys who do consistently well in SCG tournaments. I guess, what I'm getting at is, what defines "good" to you?


I haven't played this game in quite a while but I'm passable and my friends who stuck with it are now "good" (for example my bff took second at a gp last month and is one step from the gravy train), so I know of what I speak.

The correct answer is not to listen to people who are writing articles. It's to play a lot, network, play tons of limited, and get to know people who are smart and good. You will get better, it'll generate card hookups which is going to save you an incredible amount of money in the long run, and as the average quality of your associates goes up the odds they can just ship you a good list before an event will become very high.

The truth is deckbuilding is way overrated, because it's very marketable and very addictive. However just being good at playing the game is orders of magnitude more significant. Get some friends who will bear as much of the burden of thinking about constructed as possible and focus your attention on limited because that's what will make you skilled.

So as far as people to listen to on the internet... if you know the basics, nobody. Let other people listen to them. Articles aren't helpful, whether the author is good or not, because they can only make you better at metagaming which has marginal value.

(All this goes out the window if you don't understand the game. New players should read a lot, but ease up once they hit the tournament level.)
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 03:23:13
August 27 2012 03:22 GMT
#3899
If you read nothing else, I recommend you read these two articles which perhaps describe the most fundamental theory to understanding the cards in your deck and how to evaluate them.
(1) Who's the Beat down?
(2) The Philosophy of Fire and the High Water Mark

Other articles that are good include "Information Cascades in Magic" by Patrick Chapin, "Building decks around a lynchpin" by Michael Jacob, "Making the right call" by Terry Soh and "What makes the Rainmaker the mightest at Red Decks?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
August 27 2012 04:31 GMT
#3900
So three of the new mechanics for Return to Ravnica are known:

Selesnya - + Show Spoiler +
Populate (To populate, put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
[image loading]

Golgari - + Show Spoiler +
Scavenge X (X, Exile this card from your graveyard: Put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to this card's power on target creature. Scavenge only as a sorcery.)
[image loading]

Izzet - + Show Spoiler +
Overload X (You may cast this spell for it's overload cost. If you do change it's text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each")
[image loading]


The info for Golgari and Izzet comes from the Golgari vs Izzet duel decks coming soon. Check it here http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/210. Some tasty reprints in these decks.

There will also be a new cycle of Guildmages and each guild is getting it's own charm.

Spoiler season's about to heat up again.
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