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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
January 17 2012 14:40 GMT
#2501
On January 17 2012 23:15 scintilliaSD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 14:29 bumatlarge wrote:
LOL GG DREDGE
You were a cool deck I never knew how to play while you lasted.

[image loading]

So much for the Burning Vengeance deck in Block.


Witchbane Orb was already enough to make that deck nonviable, I think.

But yeah I don't think this is a very good hoser in older formats. Reasons already mentioned, all their Chain of Vapors or etc. are just going to let them bust through this with no losses. A Leyline or Crypt will do some work before it dies. I would much rather play dredge vs this than vs a leyline, not close.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
January 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#2502
i have a feeling it will see about as much play as torpor orb did.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 17 2012 16:40 GMT
#2503
With grudge in block, its a minor speed bump at BEST. It changes nothing in the t2 meta either.
Get it by your hands...
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 17:56:28
January 17 2012 17:51 GMT
#2504
Dredge survives despite Leyline, Crypt, Relic, Spellbomb, Extirpate/Surgical/Cranial, Scavenging Ooze, etc. all seeing play, some of it maindeck. I don't think a 1 mana spell with less of an impact that Relic/Spellbomb is going to kill the deck, unless it's going into a 15-card anti-Dredge sideboard plan.

Naturalize and Ancient Grudge are already available in ISD block, there's probably some other random artifact hate in the DKA (...like the werewolf, I guess). Dunno, I'd probably be more worried about Ray of Revelation than the Cage if I was going to play Burning Vengeance in block.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 17 2012 23:55 GMT
#2505
Okay, "kills" is an overreaction by me. But it's 1 colorless mana. It'll see play and it will be an issue. No hate card is perfect, otherwise, it'd be lame. It's 1 colorless! It's better than Crypt. Relic is not bad, we'll see which is better.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 18 2012 00:10 GMT
#2506
It's worst than both, by a LARGE margin.
Get it by your hands...
Sxcerino
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada58 Posts
January 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#2507
anyone know of any cube drafting online plays/tournaments?
mtgo doesn't have it i believe
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
January 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#2508
On January 17 2012 14:47 Judicator wrote:
You guys are all terrible if you think that kills any kind of gy decks. Both voids, crypt and relic are more difficult to deal with than that pos artifact...


You could easily get your point across without berating everyone.

That being said you really have to have remove from graveyard effects to combat those kind of decks.
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
January 18 2012 01:08 GMT
#2509
The only times it's better than crypt etc is when they are playing pithing needle.

Nihil spellbomb is way better for standard at least, even more so if your playing black
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 18 2012 01:38 GMT
#2510
On January 18 2012 09:39 Ryan307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 14:47 Judicator wrote:
You guys are all terrible if you think that kills any kind of gy decks. Both voids, crypt and relic are more difficult to deal with than that pos artifact...


You could easily get your point across without berating everyone.

That being said you really have to have remove from graveyard effects to combat those kind of decks.


I would if only one person didn't treat it as the second coming of Leyline of the Void. I thought people were better than that, but apparently not.
Get it by your hands...
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
January 18 2012 03:34 GMT
#2511
I put together that Grixis control deck to start out with. I was always an aggro player when I played before (when invasion/odyssey were standard) so I figured it'd be nice to play the other side now.
I drop suckas like Plinko
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 18 2012 03:54 GMT
#2512
On January 18 2012 10:38 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 09:39 Ryan307 wrote:
On January 17 2012 14:47 Judicator wrote:
You guys are all terrible if you think that kills any kind of gy decks. Both voids, crypt and relic are more difficult to deal with than that pos artifact...


You could easily get your point across without berating everyone.

That being said you really have to have remove from graveyard effects to combat those kind of decks.


I would if only one person didn't treat it as the second coming of Leyline of the Void. I thought people were better than that, but apparently not.


I think its pretty clear that anyone giving it thought was looking at block.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 18 2012 04:01 GMT
#2513
Ruining metas in Block? Lol.
Get it by your hands...
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 04:59:54
January 18 2012 04:59 GMT
#2514
On January 18 2012 10:38 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 09:39 Ryan307 wrote:
On January 17 2012 14:47 Judicator wrote:
You guys are all terrible if you think that kills any kind of gy decks. Both voids, crypt and relic are more difficult to deal with than that pos artifact...


You could easily get your point across without berating everyone.

That being said you really have to have remove from graveyard effects to combat those kind of decks.


I would if only one person didn't treat it as the second coming of Leyline of the Void. I thought people were better than that, but apparently not.


On January 18 2012 13:01 Judicator wrote:
Ruining metas in Block? Lol.


Honestly, what is the point of making posts like this? Why do you have to be so condescending?
It seems like there's always at least one person in a card shop with a 'holier than thou' attitude, don't be that guy!
Instead of insulting people and giving them no reason aside from them being "terrible", why not offer some of your insight (as you certainly have a good grasp on the game)?
Come on man this is Teamliquid!

That being said, does anyone have any experience with the new U/B Infect Pike deck?
Kibler has written a couple articles on starcity games about it, and it seems like alot of fun. It has control-ish elements, and it can have stupidly explosive draws.

'nategoosen' piloted this in a standard daily today
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/3283940
There's a link for his list, I think it's identical to Kiblers (I think he changed -1 Forbidden Alchemy +1 Probe)
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 18 2012 05:17 GMT
#2515
On January 18 2012 13:01 Judicator wrote:
Ruining metas in Block? Lol.


Everyone has their favorite type man. I didn't say anything about block meta (wtf?). I just said that it would make a lot of decks unviable in block tourneys.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 18 2012 05:45 GMT
#2516
On January 18 2012 14:17 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 13:01 Judicator wrote:
Ruining metas in Block? Lol.


Everyone has their favorite type man. I didn't say anything about block meta (wtf?). I just said that it would make a lot of decks unviable in block tourneys.


Except the sensible people already said that this does next to NOTHING to the block archetypes. I am not hating on block. I am saying that this card isnt even sideboard material UNLESS some unburial rites tricolor deck materializes from the supershit mana base that is ISD block. Remember ppl said the SOM block was awful mana wise and this looks so much worse.

1 drop artifacts that share a block with naturalize and grudge are like negative card advantage especially when they dont impact the gy at all or any future cards going into the gy.
Get it by your hands...
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 06:10:58
January 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#2517
New Cards

(Added these to spoilers, because I'm just copying the image and I'm too lazy to copy the information by typing.... but the cards are a bit too big, so I'm putting it into spoiler tags)

+ Show Spoiler +
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Nice for the B/R aggro decks?

[image loading]

O_O

[image loading]

Seems nice o.o

[image loading]
W/B Tokens O_O

[image loading]
O_o


---


Other

another reprint of fling


Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 18 2012 06:13 GMT
#2518
They are pushing tokens hard.....but the mana is just so terrible. PVs deck or rather his approach deserves another look at this point.
Get it by your hands...
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
January 18 2012 06:24 GMT
#2519
On January 18 2012 15:13 Judicator wrote:
They are pushing tokens hard.....but the mana is just so terrible. PVs deck or rather his approach deserves another look at this point.

I find the flavor text of the stromkirk captain kinda...interesting..
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
January 18 2012 06:53 GMT
#2520
can't have ghouls muscling in on their turf

think of it as gang wars
I drop suckas like Plinko
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