Guild Wars 2 - Page 42

On March 28 2011 14:49 On_Slaught wrote:
Thanks for posting the PAX East dev video. I hadn't seen that through guru.

Can't wait for them to talk about PvP and the last 2 classes (mesmer + eng).

On March 28 2011 17:10 Potatisodlaren wrote:
Does anyone else really dislike scaling in games? Oblivion is probably the best example of this with common thieves wearing legendary magic items and having tremendous power just because the player is powerful.

So it won't be exactly like this in GW2 but they still said bosses will scale in power and so will the number of enemies in dynamic events which I personally think breaks immersion and ruins the general sense of achievement. I mean I think that numbers should be static, and it's fine if you can overwhelm an event or simply not have enough people to do it. It adds to the atmosphere and you get the feeling of your own power and such. They also said that this is a core component of the game which is very sad for me to hear. Why does everything have to be equalized and normalized these days? I miss the days of brutal game worlds like Gothic 2

On March 28 2011 17:33 KinosJourney2 wrote:
I loved GW visually, but gameplay wise it was total crap.
I'm probably gonna purchase GW2, but i'm not expecting much from it. But theres potential in it no doubt, just that i think WoW was much more fun than GW as instanced areas was soooooo lame :/

If they add mounts, remove instanced areas, rework the combat mechanics and find a way to actually make pvp enjoyable, i'll love GW2

On March 28 2011 17:15 irninja wrote:


I think scaling adds a dimension of mystery to the battles you come across. How much fun is it if you know exactly the skills and techniques used in every boss matchup? As groups get larger, the bosses/enemies will throw all sorts of new and exciting tactics at you, that some battles will be different entirely.

Also, how would you deal with zergs in pvp? If lets say one side has 12 members, and the other 23? Without some form of scaling, those on the lesser side would get stomped over and over, regardless of skill, and eventually give up, or worse, quit the game.

On March 28 2011 17:55 Morfildur wrote:


Too bad, i liked the tab targetting and auto-aiming. Made the game more tactical instead of "whoever jumps around like an idiot more wins". Positioning and coordination were the most important skills, you felt more like you are commanding a fight and telling your character what to do, not how to do it. Now the characters probably dumbed down and can't even look at the target by themselves. Well, my hopes for GW2 being any good successor to GW1 are quite low, so i'll probably not be disappointed.

On March 28 2011 17:51 Potatisodlaren wrote:
I was talking mainly about PvE. In PvP I agree with you and think scaling have a place there but only if it's instanced. Like making everyone the same level and maybe also scaling gear. But I don't like scaling the power of fewer people up to match the power to the greater number of enemies. I also don't mind something like a randomized skill sets on enemies and randomized skill rotations. Makes it less repetitive and makes you pay attention.

[B]On March 28 2011 17:51 Potatisodlaren wrote:[/B
But what I'm talking about is in PvE when the game scales to match the player(s) instead of the player being thrown into a game world where they have to survive and make ends meet and work for themselves and together with others to advance. There are two ways this feeling ends up bothering me, either through scaling or through WoW style area design.

[B]On March 28 2011 17:51 Potatisodlaren wrote:[/B
In WoW all zones are roughly the shape of a square with one entrance and one exit. In each zone you start at say lvl 20 mobs and as you go along the predetermined road you are supposed to take mobs will increment with 1-2 levels every 3-5 gather/kill quests. At the end of it they are maybe 30, then in the next zone it's 30-40. Everything is tailored to provide a "streamlined" experience to a player and repeats over and over with updated skins on mobs. I find it poor and lazy design that results in a very very repetitive experience. And it breaks the atmosphere/immersion.

The other way is scaling which I think is even worse than the WoW way. The world is dynamically altered to match the player(s) based on data on player power and previous progress maybe. This in my experience always leads to a very sterile and generic world once you've played for a while. In the beginning you don't notice it but eventually you start seeing patterns in what the game throws at you. This also breaks the atmosphere/immersion for me.

[B]On March 28 2011 17:51 Potatisodlaren wrote:[/B
Now I don't know to what extent GW2 has but I find it very worrying that they have it at all, and that it is a core component. The more I read about this game the more it seems like a modern "casual streamlined game to provide a nice experience" instead of a real fantasy game world that you can immerse yourself in. At least on the PvE side. Have yet to read anything substantive on how PvP will work.

On March 28 2011 17:55 Morfildur wrote:
Too bad, i liked the tab targetting and auto-aiming. Made the game more tactical instead of "whoever jumps around like an idiot more wins". Positioning and coordination were the most important skills, you felt more like you are commanding a fight and telling your character what to do, not how to do it. Now the characters probably dumbed down and can't even look at the target by themselves. Well, my hopes for GW2 being any good successor to GW1 are quite low, so i'll probably not be disappointed.

On March 29 2011 11:59 Forester wrote:
Wow, this guild has grown. I applied a couple months back (can probably find my post somewhere in the nethers of this thread) but I went inactive because of that dry-spell of GW2 info. Just got the email about the forum move and the Guru group and I definitely want to go active again. Should I reapply over on the forums or should I find my original post?