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On August 31 2012 10:54 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:47 CarelessPride wrote:
lol i dont get why people are defending gw2 =.= their not glitching the game. I'm fairly sure buying items with karma and turning into gold was intended in the game design. if they happen to overlook a loophole in the system thats the fucken penalty for having 2 types of in game economy. I think why people would even support AN on this decision is because their jealous that their not in on that exploit or scared of people exploiting becasue their not smart enough themselves to think of ways to exploit. =.= kinda ina way like the 99% bitches at the 1% for the economy issues except in the case this is an even playing field and is as fair as it can be. ( im neither one of those people exploiting nor the ones banned. but im just suprised people are actually supporting a company whos treating your terms of agreement like a piece of trash because of their poor game design) First of all, i like how your attacking people for not having the same opinion as you. Secondly, i also love how much entitlement you feel. Listen. The game you bought? You didnt buy the "GAME", you boughts its license. The license to play according to the rules decided by the company who made the game. Guess who made the game and has the last say anyway? You who didnt even read the TOS before clicking "I agree" do not have the right to call out AN over this. Thirdly, attacking people's motives for supporting the banhammer? Great move. I like how you call people like me "jealous/not smart enough" to do an exploit. Guess what? I guess im smart enough not to get banned unlike all the "smart" exploiters out there. Last point i want to make is that if you think their not glitching the game, think again. Look at Diablo3. Starting out the exploits were plenty, from goblin farming to chest farming to Force Armor exploits etc. Do you think the exploits didnt ruin the game? I can tell you it did. It only benefited those who exploited, and weren't punished for it. I am actually happy AN isn't following the path of Blizzard on how they ruined D3 trading. This is needed and essential.
You'd be singing a different tune if you got banned. The fact is, permanent bans for over 3000 people is idiotic and unnecessary, and hurts their image as a company. The most they should have done is a rollback/removal of items and a temp ban. If arenanet continues down this path, they'll become the next Bioware or Blizzard. Each company has managed to piss off their customers in their own unique way.
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On August 31 2012 11:00 Lokrium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:54 Mithhaike wrote:On August 31 2012 10:47 CarelessPride wrote:
lol i dont get why people are defending gw2 =.= their not glitching the game. I'm fairly sure buying items with karma and turning into gold was intended in the game design. if they happen to overlook a loophole in the system thats the fucken penalty for having 2 types of in game economy. I think why people would even support AN on this decision is because their jealous that their not in on that exploit or scared of people exploiting becasue their not smart enough themselves to think of ways to exploit. =.= kinda ina way like the 99% bitches at the 1% for the economy issues except in the case this is an even playing field and is as fair as it can be. ( im neither one of those people exploiting nor the ones banned. but im just suprised people are actually supporting a company whos treating your terms of agreement like a piece of trash because of their poor game design) First of all, i like how your attacking people for not having the same opinion as you. Secondly, i also love how much entitlement you feel. Listen. The game you bought? You didnt buy the "GAME", you boughts its license. The license to play according to the rules decided by the company who made the game. Guess who made the game and has the last say anyway? You who didnt even read the TOS before clicking "I agree" do not have the right to call out AN over this. Thirdly, attacking people's motives for supporting the banhammer? Great move. I like how you call people like me "jealous/not smart enough" to do an exploit. Guess what? I guess im smart enough not to get banned unlike all the "smart" exploiters out there. Last point i want to make is that if you think their not glitching the game, think again. Look at Diablo3. Starting out the exploits were plenty, from goblin farming to chest farming to Force Armor exploits etc. Do you think the exploits didnt ruin the game? I can tell you it did. It only benefited those who exploited, and weren't punished for it. I am actually happy AN isn't following the path of Blizzard on how they ruined D3 trading. This is needed and essential. You'd be singing a different tune if you got banned. The fact is, permanent bans for over 3000 people is idiotic and unnecessary, and hurts their image as a company. The most they should have done is a rollback/removal of items and a temp ban. If arenanet continues down this path, they'll become the next Bioware or Blizzard. Each company has managed to piss off their customers in their own unique way.
Look up there. A few people who got banned actually agrees they should have been banned. Shouldn't they be singing the same tune you assume i would be singing if i was banned. A lot of the guys who bought/abused this knew it was a exploit. I mean how could they not? Other comparable weapons are selling for thousands of karma, this is only 21 karma per weapon. They knew the risk they were taking for abusing this exploit. Just that they didnt expect AN to go that far to reach for the banhammer.
I view this as a deterrant. If they didnt go all out and ban hammer people, people would just abuse every exploit that comes along because whats the worst that could happen? A suspension & roll back? It didnt leave them any worse for wear.
With this case in mind, pity the fool who would attempt to abuse the next exploit for their own benefits. They should have seen it coming. They did leave leeway for people who bought under 50 of those weapons.
In conclusion, i still think such a harsh deterrant is warranted.No one will dare abuse any exploits now.
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On August 31 2012 09:04 Parnage wrote:
The issue is to look at it objectively you looked like a guy who was trying to essentially exploit a bug not for just say personal gain(bought like 12 got some weapons I wanted and done) but bought enough to potentially tamper with the econ itself.
Twitter from Arenanet said that the magic number is around 50-100. At that number you can actually make some rather massive gains while screwing the econ of the server. Most likely yet another reason mail is down.
While I understand that I am sure some people didn't mean to do so and or they had no real intention of just screwing over anyone it still looks bad when you buy that much. Best I can tell you is appeal and hope for the best.
On one hand I feel people caught by accident had to of known this was bad(I remember an old WoW TBC exploit of free t3 vendor also punished) but I also don't like some friends I know being banned even if what they did was to be blunt stupid.
For a perma ban, I'd bet its over 100. I did it 73 times according to Anet and I got a 72 hour suspension. I forged all the items into 1 or 2 exotics and destroyed them after leveling up (was rolling with my 60 karma weapon until 80).
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So in WvW do levels matter, or is it like SPvP where everyone "the same" other than skill level?
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On August 31 2012 11:28 Mondeezy wrote:
So in WvW do levels matter, or is it like SPvP where everyone "the same" other than skill level?
Your stats get scaled up to level 80 but you only have the skills/traits you have from pve. I don't know how equipment scales up. So a level 80 will be better than a lower-leveled character, but the difference is not enormous as long as you have all your skills unlocked.
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Welp, that didn't last. Permabans have been reverted, everyone can go home now. Oh, and you have to "pwomise" to delete the stuff you got. Hope that works out well for them.
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Perma Ban reversed
For the guys that were banned, go submit a ticket to ArenaNet now to reverse the perma-ban 
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
its PvP oriented, which is what people want
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i feel pretty bad that i leveled at all. pvp in this game is terrible. it reminds me of TOR. it's more upsetting to me that people rave about how amazing it is when the reality is that MMOs are slowly removing any traces of talent from PvP.
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On August 31 2012 12:17 multiversed wrote:
i feel pretty bad that i leveled at all. pvp in this game is terrible. it reminds me of TOR. it's more upsetting to me that people rave about how amazing it is when the reality is that MMOs are slowly removing any traces of talent from PvP.
I like it. Btw, it obviously emphasizes teamwork more than talent. (not that you don't need any skill) And you likely have none of either anyway. Play a fps like shootmania, or a fighter like street fighter if you want to be smashed by people with a ton of talent.
Bye bye.
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On August 31 2012 12:17 multiversed wrote:
i feel pretty bad that i leveled at all. pvp in this game is terrible. it reminds me of TOR. it's more upsetting to me that people rave about how amazing it is when the reality is that MMOs are slowly removing any traces of talent from PvP.
..What? Care to explain what your ideal MMO PvP is then?
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Everyone I know is getting banned from this game. Its left and right. All they did was use vendors to either sell things or buy things off of vendors.
Game is not safe right now. I would just log out until everything blows over and they fix the game.
There is NO telling what is or is not a ban-worthy item right now. Maybe Arenanet will come out with a list items that if you buy they will ban you. Or maybe add a dialogue in the game "Warning if you buy this item you will be banned".
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Care to invite?
mechanicalDR.2605
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I don't get why people are freaking out about.
There is no scenario I can come up with where I could sit down and say, "You know, this item is pretty obviously massively under priced, i'm going to buy a bunch of them." and after that think, "What's the worst that could happen?"
I don't know how anyone in their right mind would think that this would be alright to do, even if you just expected a rollback or some other reset of currency, you are still expecting them to do something about it, and you have to know that it is something way outside of what you would normally see.
I do think that perma-bans might be a bit severe, but if arena-net is true in saying that all 3000 of those people were massively exploiting this with thousands of weapons each, then they should have seen this coming.
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3 hours in WvW queue....zzzzz
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On August 31 2012 13:05 Cheesedawg wrote:
I don't get why people are freaking out about.
There is no scenario I can come up with where I could sit down and say, "You know, this item is pretty obviously massively under priced, i'm going to buy a bunch of them." and after that think, "What's the worst that could happen?"
I don't know how anyone in their right mind would think that this would be alright to do, even if you just expected a rollback or some other reset of currency, you are still expecting them to do something about it, and you have to know that it is something way outside of what you would normally see.
I do think that perma-bans might be a bit severe, but if arena-net is true in saying that all 3000 of those people were massively exploiting this with thousands of weapons each, then they should have seen this coming.
The quote about them only banning the people who made out like bandits is not true. Not in practice anyway. Lot of people that got banned just thought they were getting a good deal. Lot of us are hardcore but also just a lot of casual friends.
All banned now. All they did was interact with the game in the way it was designed.
Just to be clear, this is the right way to fix an issue.
Bring down the servers.
Fix the problem.
Rollback if needed.
Their response was OMG BAN ALL THE THINGS!!!111
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"The quote about them only banning the people who made out like bandits is not true. Not in practice anyway. Lot of people that got banned just thought they were getting a good deal. Lot of us are hardcore but also just a lot of casual friends."
Alright, show me that that a lot of people only bought 1-2 weapons, "because it was a good deal". Anything more then what you might want as a leveling character I consider to be exploiting a bug, and should be dealt with with increasing severity depending on the number bought.
"All banned now. All they did was interact with the game in the way it was designed."
This is more then likely one of the biggest cop outs there is, let me put it another way "Well the atm just kept spitting money out so I figured it was just designed that way" or "This is 30 times cheaper then anything else at this level, must be working as intended let me buy a ton of them and sell/craft them this must be how you make money in this game."
Just to be clear, this is the right way to fix an issue.
Bring down the servers.
Fix the problem.
Rollback if needed.
Their response was OMG BAN ALL THE THINGS!!!111
That would be how you fix a game crippling bug that impacts all characters, by choice or not, in a way that would massively destabilize the game going forward. This is not how you deal with a small number of your players massively taking advantage of an obvious coding error.
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