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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
August 18 2012 02:55 GMT
#3981
I don't think game content is directly proportional to area in square meters.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
August 18 2012 03:11 GMT
#3982
On August 18 2012 11:54 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 11:39 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 05:39 ZasZ. wrote:
On August 18 2012 05:11 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:32 Capped wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:29 daemir wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:16 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 01:26 Crissaegrim wrote:
Still debating if I should get the game now or just wait a few months to see reviews etc. How big is the PvE world?


On the scale of WoW easy.


? how can you tell? WoW at level 1-30 isn't hard either. Or have you seen the end game content?
Or did I totally misunderstand what you mean by that


Size of the world.


To everyone questioning my answer. I merely answering a content on how big the PvE world was. Which the guy I quoted answered.

The world is on par with the size of WoW, bigger than GW1. When I saw WoW I mean the 2 main continents, not Northrend or Outlands. Though you can't compare a game with expansion lands to a game fresh with more land possible to come too, just release land with release land.


While I have no qualms with the size of GW2's world, I question this line of thinking. It makes sense to expect a different level of refinement from a brand new game compared to one that has been tweaked and patched for the last 8 years, but GW2 would be remiss if it didn't build off of what was (un)successful about WoW and every other MMO on the market. "It's brand new" is a bad excuse for a game (take SC2 for example) to lack features or content that people will take for granted in today's game environment.

If an MMO wants to truly be a "WoW-killer" it needs to be better than WoW right out of the box. People understand that patching is required to add additional content, tweak balance, and fix bugs, but the core of the game should be solid. At least GW2 won't suffer from the inherent problem of subscription-MMO's, that being if you can't hook a big enough player base in the first half a year or so after release, your game flat out dies. You can go ahead and fix a lot of the problems that people took issue with (AoC, SWTOR) but people will be hesitant to pay a subscription again.



Again you completely mis-understood the original question and my answer. He was asking about how BIG the world was.

Not about refinement or lack of features or how "good" it is compared to WoW or about bugs or anything else you talked about.

This was a simple question of whether the world of GW2 was big and I gave him a good comparison saying it is on par or bigger than WoW.


If you'll look back I replied to your original post to clarify you meant size of the world. I know what you were trying to say. My second post, the one you quoted, was talking about the second part of your post about how you can't compare sizes. I fully expect a new game to have a larger world than a game released 8 years ago. Think of how much bigger GTA4 was than GTA3. It's part of progress that games get bigger and more complex.


Have to agree that newer generations should be bigger when comparing MMOs but still no need to talk about all those other things, was just talking about mass.
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 08:58:22
August 18 2012 08:51 GMT
#3983
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 18 2012 09:45 GMT
#3984
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


No... That would make no since, Diablo isn't an MMO lol and has no multiplayer.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ryndaris
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
263 Posts
August 18 2012 10:40 GMT
#3985
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


Race choice is purely cosmetic (no stat bonuses) so a Norn Ele has no disadvantage compard to an Asura Ele. Same applies to spirit choice, Bear/Raven/etc. only affect your personal story, not your stats/performance.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 18 2012 11:11 GMT
#3986
On August 18 2012 12:11 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 11:54 ZasZ. wrote:
On August 18 2012 11:39 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 05:39 ZasZ. wrote:
On August 18 2012 05:11 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:32 Capped wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:29 daemir wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:16 Zooper31 wrote:
On August 18 2012 01:26 Crissaegrim wrote:
Still debating if I should get the game now or just wait a few months to see reviews etc. How big is the PvE world?


On the scale of WoW easy.


? how can you tell? WoW at level 1-30 isn't hard either. Or have you seen the end game content?
Or did I totally misunderstand what you mean by that


Size of the world.


To everyone questioning my answer. I merely answering a content on how big the PvE world was. Which the guy I quoted answered.

The world is on par with the size of WoW, bigger than GW1. When I saw WoW I mean the 2 main continents, not Northrend or Outlands. Though you can't compare a game with expansion lands to a game fresh with more land possible to come too, just release land with release land.


While I have no qualms with the size of GW2's world, I question this line of thinking. It makes sense to expect a different level of refinement from a brand new game compared to one that has been tweaked and patched for the last 8 years, but GW2 would be remiss if it didn't build off of what was (un)successful about WoW and every other MMO on the market. "It's brand new" is a bad excuse for a game (take SC2 for example) to lack features or content that people will take for granted in today's game environment.

If an MMO wants to truly be a "WoW-killer" it needs to be better than WoW right out of the box. People understand that patching is required to add additional content, tweak balance, and fix bugs, but the core of the game should be solid. At least GW2 won't suffer from the inherent problem of subscription-MMO's, that being if you can't hook a big enough player base in the first half a year or so after release, your game flat out dies. You can go ahead and fix a lot of the problems that people took issue with (AoC, SWTOR) but people will be hesitant to pay a subscription again.



Again you completely mis-understood the original question and my answer. He was asking about how BIG the world was.

Not about refinement or lack of features or how "good" it is compared to WoW or about bugs or anything else you talked about.

This was a simple question of whether the world of GW2 was big and I gave him a good comparison saying it is on par or bigger than WoW.


If you'll look back I replied to your original post to clarify you meant size of the world. I know what you were trying to say. My second post, the one you quoted, was talking about the second part of your post about how you can't compare sizes. I fully expect a new game to have a larger world than a game released 8 years ago. Think of how much bigger GTA4 was than GTA3. It's part of progress that games get bigger and more complex.


Have to agree that newer generations should be bigger when comparing MMOs but still no need to talk about all those other things, was just talking about mass.



WoW has 3 (soon to be 4) expansions out which released huge landmass each time.

Guild wars 2 (apparently) rivals this on release.

It kind of says it for itself IMO, GW2 will be bigger by comparison, when it releases its expansions. (and trust me, if its like GW1 was, the expansions are fucking huge. like double the world size huge)
Useless wet fish.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
August 18 2012 11:20 GMT
#3987
I think it's also worth noting that GW2 also makes more allowance for larger groups of people to occupy less space, what with the way loot drops, dynamic scaling etc. work. In those terms, each square meter 'counts' for more, so to speak.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
August 18 2012 13:41 GMT
#3988
On August 18 2012 18:45 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


No... That would make no since, Diablo isn't an MMO lol and has no multiplayer.


Wut? How does D3 not have multiplayer
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
August 18 2012 13:43 GMT
#3989
New player, will there be a trial period/demo or some kind of way to play this to see if its anything for me? Or is it just buy the game and hope you like it?

Thanks
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
August 18 2012 14:05 GMT
#3990
On August 18 2012 22:41 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 18:45 blade55555 wrote:
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


No... That would make no since, Diablo isn't an MMO lol and has no multiplayer.


Wut? How does D3 not have multiplayer

It has a coop which is penalized worse than playing solo. Would hardly call that multiplayer sadly.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
August 18 2012 14:40 GMT
#3991
On August 18 2012 22:43 Tyree wrote:
New player, will there be a trial period/demo or some kind of way to play this to see if its anything for me? Or is it just buy the game and hope you like it?

Thanks

I don't think they've announced anything at the present moment.

Do consider however that there won't be any subscription fee; you pay $60 once and that's it, you can play the full game as much or as little as you like over as long a period as you like. Perhaps you can watch some videos to educate yourself on the game a little more before paying that $60 but it's not as much of an investment as traditional subscription-based MMOs are.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 18 2012 14:41 GMT
#3992
On August 18 2012 22:41 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 18:45 blade55555 wrote:
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


No... That would make no since, Diablo isn't an MMO lol and has no multiplayer.


Wut? How does D3 not have multiplayer


That's kinda the whole sad joke of D3, you only get penalties by going into the limited coop...
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 18 2012 22:20 GMT
#3993
thank you for the responses to my earlier post, i'm actually really looking forward to soloing most of the first-playthrough and blasting game-music instead of being weary of skype-talk :D.

do you predict that the game will be sitting on its content for the release of expansions?
and what do you think would be expanded on with those expansions/dlc's?

i think i'll be very open to changes with classes.. as learned with d3, the only problem is that many of those changes in d3 were hot-fixes so everything wasn't severely broken. i'm very weary of things that seem 'too good to be true'.
then again, guildwars 1 was extremely good with balance and support (from what i remember)
they simplified your playable character and added dynamic event to make the story/plot that much more epic... on top of how awesome it already was in gw1

just 10 (7) days!
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 18 2012 22:22 GMT
#3994
On August 18 2012 22:41 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 18:45 blade55555 wrote:
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


No... That would make no since, Diablo isn't an MMO lol and has no multiplayer.


Wut? How does D3 not have multiplayer


Well I don't count co-op as multiplayer the way I was thinking of it. You can play vs 4 friends but you can only replay the game so many times before you get bored and quit. No PvP or anything.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
August 18 2012 22:52 GMT
#3995
On August 18 2012 19:40 ryndaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


Race choice is purely cosmetic (no stat bonuses) so a Norn Ele has no disadvantage compard to an Asura Ele. Same applies to spirit choice, Bear/Raven/etc. only affect your personal story, not your stats/performance.


I thought the game had racial abilities, like the humans hellhounds summon etc.

I got used to racial abilities being gamebreaking in WoW at times but do they work out somehow different here? Or are you saying the racials only work in specific parts of the game?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 18 2012 23:08 GMT
#3996
On August 19 2012 07:52 Vaelone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 19:40 ryndaris wrote:
On August 18 2012 17:51 NIIINO wrote:
is going for Norm ele useless ? And what animal I should go for ? I dont want to be raven they look silly.
EDIT: Do you guys think that Blizz tried to kill GW2 with Diablo ? Diablo was hype and havent turned out as planed so players are now scared of buying a new game. Genius Blizzard !


Race choice is purely cosmetic (no stat bonuses) so a Norn Ele has no disadvantage compard to an Asura Ele. Same applies to spirit choice, Bear/Raven/etc. only affect your personal story, not your stats/performance.


I thought the game had racial abilities, like the humans hellhounds summon etc.

I got used to racial abilities being gamebreaking in WoW at times but do they work out somehow different here? Or are you saying the racials only work in specific parts of the game?

Guild Wars 2 does have racial skills.

I'm not sure if they end up OP, but we'll see once the game is actually released.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 00:13:50
August 19 2012 00:11 GMT
#3997
Racial skills were designed to be inherently weaker than normal skills and I don't believe they can be used in sPvP anyway.

On August 19 2012 07:20 nanaoei wrote:
thank you for the responses to my earlier post, i'm actually really looking forward to soloing most of the first-playthrough and blasting game-music instead of being weary of skype-talk :D.

do you predict that the game will be sitting on its content for the release of expansions?
and what do you think would be expanded on with those expansions/dlc's?

i think i'll be very open to changes with classes.. as learned with d3, the only problem is that many of those changes in d3 were hot-fixes so everything wasn't severely broken. i'm very weary of things that seem 'too good to be true'.
then again, guildwars 1 was extremely good with balance and support (from what i remember)
they simplified your playable character and added dynamic event to make the story/plot that much more epic... on top of how awesome it already was in gw1

just 10 (7) days!

ANet have spoke about how they plan to remove and add dynamic events over time without announcing them. For example, a couple months after you last explored a zone, you can visit there again, be reduced to the appropriate level so you're not too powerful, find that all the old activities you used to do in that area have now disappeared and are now replaced by new content.

Time will tell whether they stay true to their word or how often this happens but I personally think that is an amazing way to keep content fresh.

GW1 expansions released new zones, new storylines, new classes, and new skills. The level or gear cap was never increased between expansions. ANet hasn't revealed anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if GW2 followed this same formula.
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Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
August 19 2012 00:39 GMT
#3998
I can't wait to find hidden areas. In Guild Wars 1 FoW/UW were awesome.

I do hope they make it more difficulty to reach special areas this time around though. In GW1 you could get to the UW from the ToA like everyone else but you could also use the shrine in Lornar's Pass (which I hope is still there as that's an area in GW2 ! :D) but no one really needed to. There was also a temple of balthazar in the jungle (The Falls I believe was the area) but there was no option to enter FoW there.

Would've certainly made those 2 areas a heck of a lot more special to have to reach them to access them instead of from a town so I hope they do it differently for GW2 (and if they don't include at least one realm of the gods I will be seriously pissed; I always wanted a Realm of Lyssa in GW1 so I hope they throw that in this game!




P.S : The last 2 weeks have been hell. I installed Skyrim, got bored in like 3 days because I only really want to play this game. Getting really eager.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
August 19 2012 01:02 GMT
#3999
7 gaming fixes for the 7 days of waiting:

1- Mann vs. Machine - new free DLC for the already free/amazing Team Fortress 2.
2- Watch speedruns of your favourite games, SDA or speedrunslive if racing sounds more exciting.
3- Portal 2 owners got a 75% discount ticket, ask a friend for one. Also the community made maps are amazing, give em a try.
4- Darksiders 2 just launched, just as fun as the first one.
5- Pokemon Online - free to play battle simulator, make a team with the moves/stats you want and battle online. Also try the challenge cup mode, which gives you a COMPLETLY random team. Fun stuff.
6- Kongregate, as always, best away to waste two hours when you want time to pass.
7- TSL tomorrow! =p

Suggestions are welcome!
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syth99
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States59 Posts
August 19 2012 01:14 GMT
#4000
On August 19 2012 10:02 Zozo wrote:
7 gaming fixes for the 7 days of waiting:

1- Mann vs. Machine - new free DLC for the already free/amazing Team Fortress 2.
2- Watch speedruns of your favourite games, SDA or speedrunslive if racing sounds more exciting.
3- Portal 2 owners got a 75% discount ticket, ask a friend for one. Also the community made maps are amazing, give em a try.
4- Darksiders 2 just launched, just as fun as the first one.
5- Pokemon Online - free to play battle simulator, make a team with the moves/stats you want and battle online. Also try the challenge cup mode, which gives you a COMPLETLY random team. Fun stuff.
6- Kongregate, as always, best away to waste two hours when you want time to pass.
7- TSL tomorrow! =p

Suggestions are welcome!

#8 play Guildwars (1) for the HoM stuff if you don't have it! (might be a little late to get started though)
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