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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
It's possible that your excitement was justified but I'll wait and see. Perhaps if some other members of TL turn up who I know love Deus Ex and express their admiration then I might be fully excited. If Boblion turns up and says he loves it I might have to get it. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:40 LaNague wrote: ok, so im a cheap bastard....whats the time you needed to complete the game? Yeah, I'd like to know that too. Also, how many side-quests are in it, if any? I read that it doesn't really offer player choices, which will detract from its replay value somewhat. And I'd hate to waste £30 quid on a game that I can finish in ~6 hours and be done with. | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
So far no real player choice in the story, but I haven't missing it. The actual story they've been telling is way more interesting to me than some kind of series of binary choices (save/harvest the sister). Lot of options in combat, guns, vigors (aka plasmids), etc. As for side quests, I've only encountered one so far and it was not much of a quest. Just backtrack a bit to find a chest that couldn't be opened before. Overall, I'm loving the game. The world is beautiful, the music is fantastic and I'm just having a ball. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On March 27 2013 00:50 TimENT wrote: Well I played on medium difficulty and did a speed run, took about 10 hours. I only died twice and didn't stop to look around past the beginning. If you play on hard and look for all the audiobooks I'd say this would take 25 hours + A harder difficulty + looking around adds a whopping 15+ hours to the game? Wow..... | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:52 sc4k wrote: Edited out most of this post, not worth it. It's possible that your excitement was justified but I'll wait and see. Perhaps if some other members of TL turn up who I know love Deus Ex and express their admiration then I might be fully excited. If Boblion turns up and says he loves it I might have to get it. Hey, I love Deus Ex :p It's quite different from Deus Ex, System Shock 2, or even the first Bioshock. It is, at its roots, a linear shooter more in the vein of Call of Duty. You get auto saves, auto regen, not much tactical depth or choice. It might sound bad, but it really isn't. The game's universe is absolutely fantastic, the attention to details insane, and the plot brilliantly done and narrated (it's much better than the original Bioshock in that regard). Now I wouldn't quite call it a masterpiece, although it's close, just because it doesn't form a coherent whole. The action scenes feel like something they felt they had to add to the game to cater to the average gamer. In fact Ken Levine pretty much said that. The game is at its best when you're not actually shooting anyone, but just exploring Colombia. What the game is not, is a revolution of the FPS/RPG hybrid (like his predecessors were). The game is brilliant in its narration, but not as much thought was given to its mechanics. Personally I just think they should cut down on the violence. I like dismembering people as much as the next guy, but in this game it feels there's too much of it, and it's not the game's strong point. I got carried away. Short answer: it's very good, try it. They're basically giving it away for free anyway. | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On March 26 2013 22:28 TimENT wrote: Wow, talk about buzz-killing. While I'm over here having the time of my life, you're just over analyzing an obvious exaggeration. It's posts like these that make me question if some people know how to let go and just enjoy themselves. Who cares if one person says omfg best thing ever while most would just say it's great? Who are you to decide how I feel about this game. I hope you learn to let go. I also hope you decide to never critique anything again because I can't even imagine what you'd say to something you've actually played. I can just imagine, 'while it is great, the hype around this game is obviously not deserved. To say it's one of the greatest games ever is depressing because we are only at the beginning of the powerful game generation. 6/10' And to the guy who agreed with him about my hyperbole and the proceeded to attempt to guess my age based on my excitement over a game- uhhhh 1. I'm 20 and I've read an extremely large amount of books. 2. You act like being excited about something is immature or negative. I'd say the second you stop getting excited about the little things in life that you've enjoyed, you've lost one of the best parts of your life, childish wonder. So while you two are miserably critiquing every aspect of the world, I'm going to enjoy what I enjoy, and ignore what I don't enjoy. It was this statement I disagree with, because its a simple but very bold statement. But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. I didn't say anything about the hype, its a deep topic, but hyping this as the best game ever made wouldn't have merited my criticism and could well be true, I wouldn't argue that. I simply pointed out that statement is gross hyperbole when you talk about story telling beyond gaming, which you explicitly did. I also don't intend to kill peoples buzz, but you're posting something glowing on a public forum, something which could influence someone's decision to purchase something and as a result I felt the need to call it out, it wasn't directed at you per se, rather someone who might take your statement a little too seriously, as even though you say its an obvious overstatement, your wording doesn't exactly give that impression, you came across like you honestly felt that and you weren't exaggerating. As for the ad hominem, I enjoy plenty of things, Bit Trip Runner had me grinning ear to ear just the other day (highly recommend it btw, its just pure fun). I suspect that you've somewhat missed what I'm trying to say though, which is fair, I can't really summarize this easily. I in no way would suggest that '6/10 games can do better', that is entirely not the point of anything I wrote. What I mean is that games are an entirely different medium to film and literature and to start comparing on the same stage they need to come into their own on an artistic level, which they have not done yet as noones really figured out how yet, and its no surprise either when considering the complexity of development, factoring in things like the uncanny valley makes it an almost impossible task on some levels, its going to take an insane amount of innovation to reach those heights. That is certainly not to suggest that any game made now is worthless or fundamentally flawed, even though it may sound that way. What I mean is that games are still games, they can be judged aside other games in terms of gameplay and story etc but they are not ready to put on a platform besides the greats, not yet, and not for a while. One of my hobbies is developing games and part of my personality has always involved being critical, but something people often misinterpret is my intent, I am not intending to be mean or harsh, quite the opposite, I can probably criticize my favourite games more than ones I hated, to me that's part of the enjoyment of video games, and many things beyond, they can be taken apart and looked at and the more you do it the deeper things become and you realize all the things that go into making these things and in turn furthers your enjoyment. If I were foolish enough to go into this game expecting something to rival the greats I probably would be disappointed, but I'm not, my attitude going into this game is one of intrigue, I have some shallow questions like are guns worth it in this game or are they an almost after-thought, and I have some deeper questions like whether this game has conquered the ludonarrative dissonance that plagued Bioshock but these questions won't make me enjoy the game less, I might not be filled to brim with excitement at every turn but that's not really the sort of person I am, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy things. I'll leave it at this post though, I don't want this to devolve too quickly, but I did want to clarify a bit of what I said. On March 26 2013 23:52 sc4k wrote: Edited out most of this post, not worth it. It's possible that your excitement was justified but I'll wait and see. Perhaps if some other members of TL turn up who I know love Deus Ex and express their admiration then I might be fully excited. If Boblion turns up and says he loves it I might have to get it. I'll try to get a blog post up at some point next week with a good critical assessment, seems like a reasonable way to spend my 4 day weekend, I want to play this game without reading too much opinion before though, although my opinion probably doesn't mean a whole lot to you at the moment I'll give you a heads up if you're interested. I probably wouldn't have purchased this game full price, at least not based on first week hype, but gmg's £24 + 3 games deal and the RPS review clinched it for me, felt hard to say no when it was so cheap on day one. | ||
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Dibella
Germany79 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:40 LaNague wrote: ok, so im a cheap bastard....whats the time you needed to complete the game? Torrent it like we all do. ~40€/10hrs is not worth it. | ||
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
not a huge fan of the story (in the later stages of the game) but besides that most stuff is damn good. nice start in the year with tomb raider and bioshock being 2 great games edit : oh and its absolutely worth 40 €.. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
It's like judging a movie based on its length. Surely, a movie being an hour-and-a-half long can't be better than a four-hour movie!!?? I'll use this to justify stealing it over the internet. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
been watching my roommate play and he is having a blast. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:24 MilesTeg wrote: The game currently costs 24 pounds at Green Man Gaming. 24 pounds. How the hell is that expensive? What planet do you guys live on? Games are cheaper than they've ever been. The biggest resource they take is time. Which is why it's much better to have a game with a good pace, than a bloated game, even if it's a bit short. well, thats your opinion. I personally like really long games, because i get invested in them. When a game ends after 10 hours, i basically just warmed up with the game and then im sad. anyways, i was just curious anyways, im not that fond of shooters. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On March 27 2013 02:38 LaNague wrote: well, thats your opinion. I personally like really long games, because i get invested in them. When a game ends after 10 hours, i basically just warmed up with the game and then im sad. anyways, i was just curious anyways, im not that fond of shooters. It also doesn't have any real replayability other than collecting all vox-boxes and finding all tunics . The story is very linear and the gameplay is exactly like Bioshock was just a staigh up shooter with powers which both don't exactly motivate me to ever replay the game. I played both Bioshocks before exactly one time as well. | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:16 Dibella wrote: Torrent it like we all do. ~40€/10hrs is not worth it. stfu, seriously. if you dont respect the people who worked their ass off for like 2 years for those 10 hours, dont say "we all do". people who measure a game's quality on it's length are so stupid, it blows my mind. | ||
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Dibella
Germany79 Posts
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On March 27 2013 01:24 Leporello wrote: I don't understand time-criticisms. It's like judging a movie based on its length. Surely, a movie being an hour-and-a-half long can't be better than a four-hour movie!!?? I'll use this to justify stealing it over the internet. I don't think a length comparison for movies and games is very fair, they are different beasts. Gamers tend have an expectation towards game length for SP only games being around ~25 hours.(anecdotal) Stealing is bad. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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