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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
March 27 2013 02:27 GMT
#341
On March 26 2013 17:09 KezseN wrote:
I don't really understand the ending. Anyone else confused?


+ Show Spoiler +
Booker and Comstock are the same person, however, each developed through a different path of choices.

Booker is born by not going through the baptism.

Comstock is born though accepting the baptism.

Comstock's wife found a way to travel through universes (worlds).

While researching how to travel through worlds, Comstock became sterile.

Booker has no money and her child (Anna) is Elizabeth.

Comstock travels to Booker's world.

Comstock agrees to pay all of Booker's debts in exchange of Anna and Booker agrees.

Booker later repents and tries to get Anna back.

Comstock goes through a tear with Anna while Booker struggled to get Anna from Comstock and Anna's finger is caught between Booker's world and Comstock's world when Comstock orders the tear to be closed down; Anna's finger is cut remaining with Booker while Anna goes into Comstock's world.

Booker "remembers everything"

Booker sets on to kill Comstock.

Booker tries to kill Comstock by never allowing him to be birth.

Booker discovers he is Comstock.

Elizabeth shows him that all other worlds are produced as a result of a single one of his life events; his baptism after knee deep.

Elizabeth shows him that regardless of whether he goes through with the Baptism or not, the Comstocks in the other worlds will still occur.

Elizabeth makes sure that Comstock/Booker drowns in the baptism as this is the only way to prevent Comstock from being born in all/any/every world.

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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
March 27 2013 02:29 GMT
#342
On March 26 2013 23:52 sc4k wrote:
Edited out most of this post, not worth it.

It's possible that your excitement was justified but I'll wait and see. Perhaps if some other members of TL turn up who I know love Deus Ex and express their admiration then I might be fully excited. If Boblion turns up and says he loves it I might have to get it.


I recently finished the latest Deus Ex and I loved it. I experienced all of the endings in HR and I found the last boss battle to be a total joke, but I still loved HR.
When it comes to Bioshock Infinite, THIS GAME BEATS OUT THE CRAP OUT OF DEUS EX!!!

JUST GET IT DUDE!!!
THE ENDING MAKES IT WORTH IT!
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 27 2013 02:32 GMT
#343
On March 27 2013 10:47 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I was worried for a moment that combat would continue being too easy but it seemed to ramp up pretty well in the Hall of Heroes, I'm excited to play again on 1999 mode. The wrench pretty much broke Bioshock for me, I hope there isn't one weapon that becomes the clear best in this game especially considering the 2 gun system.


I wouldn't say there's a clear cut best but there are a bunch of extremely useless weapon imho. I used one weapon basically the whole time + Show Spoiler +
the carbine
and for me it was the best weapon in the game by far . Once it became available i never dropped it and rotated between 2-3 for the second gun when low on my first.

yeah, i'm feeling good rolling with carbine + shotgun
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 02:39:07
March 27 2013 02:36 GMT
#344
On March 27 2013 11:29 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 23:52 sc4k wrote:
Edited out most of this post, not worth it.

It's possible that your excitement was justified but I'll wait and see. Perhaps if some other members of TL turn up who I know love Deus Ex and express their admiration then I might be fully excited. If Boblion turns up and says he loves it I might have to get it.


I recently finished the latest Deus Ex and I loved it. I experienced all of the endings in HR and I found the last boss battle to be a total joke, but I still loved HR.
When it comes to Bioshock Infinite, THIS GAME BEATS OUT THE CRAP OUT OF DEUS EX!!!

JUST GET IT DUDE!!!
THE ENDING MAKES IT WORTH IT!


o.O

out of Deus Ex 1? I'm reserving judgment of course until I play Bioshock Infinite but seeing as I would say Bioshock 1/2 are no way near DE1, I'd be surprised if Infinite is that much of an improvement that it topples what for me is the best game ever.

I'm glad you enjoyed it...I think I have enjoyed the majority of games 2k have been connected with, they are a publisher that seems to care about the end product rather than entirely about the profit margin *cough Activision/ EA cough*
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
March 27 2013 03:01 GMT
#345
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different
UMS > Melee
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
March 27 2013 03:09 GMT
#346
Just picked up the game. Really impressed by it. It def deserved all those 10/10's. Highly recommend getting it if you're on the fence.
shadowboxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 04:40:37
March 27 2013 04:28 GMT
#347
On March 27 2013 12:01 KarlKaliente wrote:
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different



+ Show Spoiler [Late game spoilers] +
I picked the bird, but I'm not sure it makes a difference. The cage references you're referring to was just the Songbird notes for Elizabeth to control him. Then you blow up the Sipher. Does that sounds any different? I know the ending isn't effected by any of the choices you make, so if there are differences they would be minor.


+ Show Spoiler [Ending spoilers] +
It was definitely a fantastic ending. My only quarrel with it is it felt sort of too predictable. Early on I had toyed with the idea that Booker was Comstock from a different tear(mainly because of the random red tear that you get in Fink's place that's playing a real song from our time) but I dismissed it because it felt too predictable. I definitely didn't think of the complexity that the ending actually ended up with but I was still sort of disappointed that I thought of the ending with no real clues or context, just a random fan-service in the game.

That being said, I still think the way it wove together and the exact way it ended was great. It really was a beautiful game.


After finishing it I'd say the game's absolutely amazing but if you're on the fence, rent it and finish it in 1-2 sittings. From a pure logic standpoint, as of right now there's no reason to own it. I only bought it because of the other $50 games that came with preordering. That being said, I do not regret buying it at all. If money is a non-issue for you and you're just being skeptical or you can only play it on PC, definitely pick it up; You will not be disappointed in your purchase.

"Hear that? That's God laughing at your plans."
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
March 27 2013 04:49 GMT
#348
On March 27 2013 12:01 KarlKaliente wrote:
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different

+ Show Spoiler +
I watched JP play and he picked bird but towards later parts of the game, I noticed the pendant was a cage (intentional? oversight?) At least, I'm fairly positive of what I saw. I was going to confirm but don't have access to the vods. What difference does the decision make? I can't say.

As far as the twist ending, I actually guess it correctly about midway through (it's almost blatantly obvious), but I still enjoyed the ride.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 27 2013 04:53 GMT
#349
On March 27 2013 13:49 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 12:01 KarlKaliente wrote:
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different

+ Show Spoiler +
I watched JP play and he picked bird but towards later parts of the game, I noticed the pendant was a cage (intentional? oversight?) At least, I'm fairly positive of what I saw. I was going to confirm but don't have access to the vods. What difference does the decision make? I can't say.

As far as the twist ending, I actually guess it correctly about midway through (it's almost blatantly obvious), but I still enjoyed the ride.


+ Show Spoiler +
I picked the bird and it stayed that way for the whole game.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
March 27 2013 06:17 GMT
#350
On March 27 2013 11:27 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 17:09 KezseN wrote:
I don't really understand the ending. Anyone else confused?


+ Show Spoiler +
Booker and Comstock are the same person, however, each developed through a different path of choices.

Booker is born by not going through the baptism.

Comstock is born though accepting the baptism.

Comstock's wife found a way to travel through universes (worlds).

While researching how to travel through worlds, Comstock became sterile.

Booker has no money and her child (Anna) is Elizabeth.

Comstock travels to Booker's world.

Comstock agrees to pay all of Booker's debts in exchange of Anna and Booker agrees.

Booker later repents and tries to get Anna back.

Comstock goes through a tear with Anna while Booker struggled to get Anna from Comstock and Anna's finger is caught between Booker's world and Comstock's world when Comstock orders the tear to be closed down; Anna's finger is cut remaining with Booker while Anna goes into Comstock's world.

Booker "remembers everything"

Booker sets on to kill Comstock.

Booker tries to kill Comstock by never allowing him to be birth.

Booker discovers he is Comstock.

Elizabeth shows him that all other worlds are produced as a result of a single one of his life events; his baptism after knee deep.

Elizabeth shows him that regardless of whether he goes through with the Baptism or not, the Comstocks in the other worlds will still occur.

Elizabeth makes sure that Comstock/Booker drowns in the baptism as this is the only way to prevent Comstock from being born in all/any/every world.



Ah this makes more sense :D Cheers man
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
March 27 2013 06:19 GMT
#351
So I was playing for about 3 hours tonight before my game crashed. I loaded back up and "continue" was greyed out and my last save was 3 hours ago.

SICK SYSTEM YO
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
March 27 2013 06:26 GMT
#352
On March 27 2013 13:49 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 12:01 KarlKaliente wrote:
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different

+ Show Spoiler +
I watched JP play and he picked bird but towards later parts of the game, I noticed the pendant was a cage (intentional? oversight?) At least, I'm fairly positive of what I saw. I was going to confirm but don't have access to the vods. What difference does the decision make? I can't say.

As far as the twist ending, I actually guess it correctly about midway through (it's almost blatantly obvious), but I still enjoyed the ride.


+ Show Spoiler +
No, JP picked the cage.
~
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
March 27 2013 06:45 GMT
#353
Since we're talking about the ending again, here is my interpretation of it again:

+ Show Spoiler [My interpretation] +
In some worlds, Booker was baptised into Comstock, who then created Columbia. The prophecy he was given states that Columbia will last as long as his bloodline stays on the throne. However, Comstock became infertile for some reason (exposure to some machinery somewhere, IIRC), so he asked the Lutele siblings to stepover into an alternate universe where Booker was never baptised into Comstock to ask for Booker's daughter in return for clearing Booker's gambling debts. Booker accepts. During the handover into Comstock's world, Booker changes his mind and grabs at Anna, resulting in the missing fingertip, but she passes into Comstock's world anyway. She is then locked into the tower where Comstock keeps a watchful eye on her. All her special talents regarding crossing over worlds is theorised by the Lutele siblings to be due to part of her body (her fingertip) being stuck in her original world.

To destroy any evidence that Elizabeth is not Comstock's true daughter, he has his wife and the Lutele siblings killed. The Lutele siblings do not completely die, but are instead scattered across time and space due to their exposure during their work.

Years later, the Lutele siblings offer Booker the chance to cross worlds to meet Anna/Elizabeth again. When crossing over into Comstock's world, his mind gets addled in the process. He forgets about his past (the daughter) and mixes his new objective with his earlier bargain of getting the girl to clear his debts.

At the end of the game, the tower is destroyed and all the restrictions on Elizabeth's power are lifted. She is finally able to peer into ALL the alternate worlds, crossing them at will. She then realises that Booker = Comstock, and although Comstock is dead in this world, the events are still proceeding as normal in many other alternate universes. She tells Booker that Comstock is still alive, asking if Booker is completely committed to ending the chain by killing Comstock at his 'birth'. Booker still has not realised that Comstock is just himself reborn, and commits to it. He walks into the scene of Wounded Knee, where he had just previously refused baptism (and forgiveness for his past sins). He finally realises the truth, at which point several other Elizabeths appear, showing just how many of them have suffered due to his transition into Comstock. They smother him in the water and he dies without resisting; the chain is broken and the other Elizabeths disappear.


Things I'm still not clear about or do not fit with this theory:
+ Show Spoiler +
- What happened at the lighthouse at the beginning? Who set up the sign/dead guy inside?
- Exactly how does killing Booker pre-baptism in just one world kill ALL the Comstocks in all the worlds?
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
March 27 2013 07:17 GMT
#354
Hmm 60 is a bit much for me but the game looks great, is there a place I can get it for like 40 ? Or do you know how long it takes steam to put a game on sale ?
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
March 27 2013 07:38 GMT
#355
On March 27 2013 15:26 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 13:49 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
On March 27 2013 12:01 KarlKaliente wrote:
spoilers

+ Show Spoiler +
anyone know if the cage vs dove choice makes a difference? Everyone I know has picked cage so far...

There are some references to the cage towards the end, I'm wondering if the dove ended up any different

+ Show Spoiler +
I watched JP play and he picked bird but towards later parts of the game, I noticed the pendant was a cage (intentional? oversight?) At least, I'm fairly positive of what I saw. I was going to confirm but don't have access to the vods. What difference does the decision make? I can't say.

As far as the twist ending, I actually guess it correctly about midway through (it's almost blatantly obvious), but I still enjoyed the ride.


+ Show Spoiler +
No, JP picked the cage.

Oh ok. My memory fails then.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 07:48:22
March 27 2013 07:38 GMT
#356
Nothing impressive, 6 hours into the game, playing on hard. Sure story is decent, and world is pretty detailed and unique, but no way it is all 10s, because of one thing : gameplay is generic shooter. What is the fuss about that? There are tons of generic shooters with some sort of supernatural powers. Meh.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12351 Posts
March 27 2013 07:55 GMT
#357
On March 27 2013 16:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Nothing impressive, 6 hours into the game, playing on hard. Sure story is decent, and world is pretty detailed and unique, but no way it is all 10s, because of one thing : gameplay is generic shooter. What is the fuss about that? There are tons of generic shooters with some sort of supernatural powers. Meh.

the shooter experience was never bioshock's strong point.
You are enjoying the game the wrong way, get immense into the world and look around. No other shooter put so much effort into where you go around and can always find something special
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Rookstarz
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada136 Posts
March 27 2013 08:02 GMT
#358
On March 27 2013 16:55 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Nothing impressive, 6 hours into the game, playing on hard. Sure story is decent, and world is pretty detailed and unique, but no way it is all 10s, because of one thing : gameplay is generic shooter. What is the fuss about that? There are tons of generic shooters with some sort of supernatural powers. Meh.

the shooter experience was never bioshock's strong point.
You are enjoying the game the wrong way, get immense into the world and look around. No other shooter put so much effort into where you go around and can always find something special


This person has it right, Bioshock isn't about going in guns blazing with two machine guns in each arm with some Crysis like armor blasting everyone's head off. Where the game mostly shines is within the visual beauty and story telling the game has. When I first started the game I went around everywhere just looking at the place and history the game had and was very pleased with what the game had to offer.

I understand this type of game isn't everyone's cup of tea and it might not be yours but I'd personally give it a 10/10.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
March 27 2013 08:14 GMT
#359
Fuck this game is amazing. Finally a good filler while we wait endlessly for HL3.
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NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
March 27 2013 08:34 GMT
#360
On March 27 2013 16:55 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:38 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Nothing impressive, 6 hours into the game, playing on hard. Sure story is decent, and world is pretty detailed and unique, but no way it is all 10s, because of one thing : gameplay is generic shooter. What is the fuss about that? There are tons of generic shooters with some sort of supernatural powers. Meh.

the shooter experience was never bioshock's strong point.
You are enjoying the game the wrong way, get immense into the world and look around. No other shooter put so much effort into where you go around and can always find something special


Dont get me wrong, i love that they have this story and world, what i hate most about it that you take the shotgun/rifle and go on rampage killing half of town rambo style. Personally, it is immersion breaker for me. The only thing when FPS style is immersive, at least for me, when it is survival or horror, cause then the gameplay and setting goes hand to hand.
I have nothing against this game, but probably it is not my type of game.
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