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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
March 26 2013 05:26 GMT
#281
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
March 26 2013 05:34 GMT
#282
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 26 2013 06:09 GMT
#283
Holy shit were my graphics drivers out of date. But it's finally time!
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 07:03:34
March 26 2013 07:03 GMT
#284
I am about 5 hours into it and so far it has been an amazing experience. I will post again when I'm finished. Free X-Com was "just" a nice addition.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 07:55:06
March 26 2013 07:54 GMT
#285
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/bioshock-infinite-on-track-to-be-one-of-the-highest-rated-game-of-all-time/0113021

Crazy how this game is getting a lot of praise (nothing bad about that of course). This game and possibly The Last of Us is a good way to end this generation.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
March 26 2013 08:09 GMT
#286
I don't really understand the ending. Anyone else confused?
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 08:25:55
March 26 2013 08:24 GMT
#287
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.

Holy shit really? :O

Oh my God I want this so bad >_____<

My imagination is just running wild. I'm kind of a "dreamy" person for lack of a better word, and I'm looking forward to be able to kind of...revel in the game, like a stare off into the distance and wonder kind of an idea. And if the story is that compelling :O wow everything about this just feels awesome. Please spoiler spoilers and stuff on the off chance that I check the thread at any point during the game and see major spoilers etc!! Sweetness :3
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
March 26 2013 08:35 GMT
#288
On March 26 2013 11:49 unsaintly wrote:
Played 3 hours so far and I'm REALLY enjoying it so damn much. I didn't enjoy the first BioShock but Infinite is ... Infinitely better imo.

Hmm, well that's interesting. I found Bioshock thoroughly underwhelming despite everyone else praising it. Maybe I should give this game a shot.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 26 2013 09:13 GMT
#289
On March 26 2013 17:35 Spinfusor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 11:49 unsaintly wrote:
Played 3 hours so far and I'm REALLY enjoying it so damn much. I didn't enjoy the first BioShock but Infinite is ... Infinitely better imo.

Hmm, well that's interesting. I found Bioshock thoroughly underwhelming despite everyone else praising it. Maybe I should give this game a shot.

Bioshock's story was pretty damn good but the gameplay was a bit underwhelming. Bioshock 2 was the other way around: much-improved gameplay but a less-memorable story.

I'm going to pick up bioshock: infinite after school. I hope it lives up to the insane hype.
Jukulmolder
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain254 Posts
March 26 2013 09:26 GMT
#290
I'm loving it so far, 2-3 hours into the game.
Sadly all i have is a laptop, so i can't turn graphics all the way up, been playing on medium settings. Even so, the world looks beautiful.
"IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE"
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 26 2013 09:50 GMT
#291
2 hours in, game is maximum dope. spent like 30 minutes just walking around in the first part of the city. all of the little emergent conversations and barks and stuff are so neat.
RIP Aaliyah
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
March 26 2013 11:32 GMT
#292
For those of you that have at least reached the beach after you grab Elizabeth: + Show Spoiler [At the beach] +
Bit difficult for people to answer since we're only just post release, but anyone noticed any differences between picking the Bird and Cage necklaces? There has got to be some impact of making this kind of choice else there wouldn't be any reason for it to be there.


And for those who have finished it, I'm gonna just chronicle my ending since Bioshock has a history for providing different endings depending on a few of your choices during the playthrough: + Show Spoiler [Ending] +
Walk through many doors, come up to a priest alone. Suddenly 5 Elizabeths appear and they smother me in the water.
Did anyone get anything different?
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adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
March 26 2013 11:44 GMT
#293
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.


Hyperbole much?

Games have a long way to go before they can even hope to come close to literature in terms of story telling. Film is still miles ahead of games but still trails behind literature, and thats not because I believe books to be fundamentally better, they've just been around for centuries and are a more singular cohesive and personal vision.

Even then if it were the 'greatest and most beautiful story ever written' you wouldn't know and you wouldn't be able to judge that in a few hours / days of experiencing it. It takes decades, centuries even, for the full effect of something to be fully understood. Seriously, you think that this can compete with Paradise Lost or The Divine Comedy? Books which heavily influenced, and continue to influence billions of people and hundreds of years of culture. Does it come close to a film like Brazil or Blade Runner, which for all their brilliance are still flawed, showing just how far film still has to go before it can stand toe-to-toe with literatures greats? What and how does it do things different from games to date which, in comparison to film and literature are laughable in terms of story and characterization?

It would also be somewhat depressing to think that games had reached that level, they are still way in their infancy, only a decade ago it was all teenage power fantasy and space marines, we still (hopefully) have hundreds of years to build and improve the medium and I'm quite keen to enjoy the ride, movies took decades to really begin appealing to broad culture and they are far easier to make compared to a game, so I don't think we'll be seeing games challenge film or books for a long time on their own merits, there's still too many limitations and problems associated with the medium which are going to take decades to overcome.

I don't wish to put the game down and I get people are excited, but a bit of restraint and proper critical thinking perhaps? Something can be great, and very enjoyable without being 'OMFG BEST THIANG EVAR', especially something with such a budget where story and characters were undoubtedly influenced on some level by market appeal.

Although I will say I'm glad people are looking at the story, but still most reviews have stayed away from actually criticising it, games won't truly be on par with film and literature until we actually start seriously criticising and dissecting story and characters and if this game pushes that further, especially by people discussing and criticising this games flaws, the better the medium will be in the future.

I haven't gone into this game with much expectation but considering peoples reactions I think I am going to have to investigate further, put on my critic hat and get to grips with this game, and I suspect I will be pleasantly surprised as I go deeper and I hope that I find a game that can truly be held up as a game, but the key words are as a game, and I will certainly try to take my time.
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
March 26 2013 12:32 GMT
#294
On March 26 2013 20:44 adwodon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.


Hyperbole much?

Games have a long way to go before they can even hope to come close to literature in terms of story telling. Film is still miles ahead of games but still trails behind literature, and thats not because I believe books to be fundamentally better, they've just been around for centuries and are a more singular cohesive and personal vision.

Even then if it were the 'greatest and most beautiful story ever written' you wouldn't know and you wouldn't be able to judge that in a few hours / days of experiencing it. It takes decades, centuries even, for the full effect of something to be fully understood. Seriously, you think that this can compete with Paradise Lost or The Divine Comedy? Books which heavily influenced, and continue to influence billions of people and hundreds of years of culture. Does it come close to a film like Brazil or Blade Runner, which for all their brilliance are still flawed, showing just how far film still has to go before it can stand toe-to-toe with literatures greats? What and how does it do things different from games to date which, in comparison to film and literature are laughable in terms of story and characterization?

It would also be somewhat depressing to think that games had reached that level, they are still way in their infancy, only a decade ago it was all teenage power fantasy and space marines, we still (hopefully) have hundreds of years to build and improve the medium and I'm quite keen to enjoy the ride, movies took decades to really begin appealing to broad culture and they are far easier to make compared to a game, so I don't think we'll be seeing games challenge film or books for a long time on their own merits, there's still too many limitations and problems associated with the medium which are going to take decades to overcome.

I don't wish to put the game down and I get people are excited, but a bit of restraint and proper critical thinking perhaps? Something can be great, and very enjoyable without being 'OMFG BEST THIANG EVAR', especially something with such a budget where story and characters were undoubtedly influenced on some level by market appeal.

Although I will say I'm glad people are looking at the story, but still most reviews have stayed away from actually criticising it, games won't truly be on par with film and literature until we actually start seriously criticising and dissecting story and characters and if this game pushes that further, especially by people discussing and criticising this games flaws, the better the medium will be in the future.

I haven't gone into this game with much expectation but considering peoples reactions I think I am going to have to investigate further, put on my critic hat and get to grips with this game, and I suspect I will be pleasantly surprised as I go deeper and I hope that I find a game that can truly be held up as a game, but the key words are as a game, and I will certainly try to take my time.


Let the guy be excited about a new game he bought T_T jeez
Yoona <3 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Look! It's Totoro! ☉.☉☂
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
March 26 2013 12:43 GMT
#295
I'm with you adwodon, that hyperbole really wound me up too. Sounds like a guy who is pretty young who hasn't read many books and who hasn't even played many games.

Also I'm gona wait for some more opinions on the game to emerge, there's always a week long haze of praise about games before the negative aspects come out. Diablo 3 is the first that comes to mind.
Scruff
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore509 Posts
March 26 2013 12:52 GMT
#296
I am a huge fan of bioshock 1 & 2 and was sure that infinite will not disappoint!
Though i still haven't got my hands on the game because i wanted a songbird edition. They were sold out in Australia 2 months ago!! ARGHH
Anyone knows how I can get my hands on one?
I astonish myself everyday
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 13:17:28
March 26 2013 12:57 GMT
#297
Anyway here is my current understanding of the whole story, including the ending. Pretty long. MASSIVE spoilers obviously. Do not read unless you have completed the whole thing.

+ Show Spoiler [My interpretation] +
In some worlds, Booker was baptised into Comstock, who then created Columbia. The prophecy he was given states that Columbia will last as long as his bloodline stays on the throne. However, Comstock became infertile for some reason (exposure to some machinery somewhere, IIRC), so he asked the Lutele siblings to stepover into an alternate universe where Booker was never baptised into Comstock to ask for Booker's daughter in return for clearing Booker's gambling debts. Booker accepts. During the handover into Comstock's world, Booker changes his mind and grabs at Anna, resulting in the missing fingertip, but she passes into Comstock's world anyway. She is then locked into the tower where Comstock keeps a watchful eye on her. All her special talents regarding crossing over worlds is theorised by the Lutele siblings to be due to part of her body (her fingertip) being stuck in her original world.

To destroy any evidence that Elizabeth is not Comstock's true daughter, he has his wife and the Lutele siblings killed. The Lutele siblings do not completely die, but are instead scattered across time and space due to their exposure during their work.

Years later, the Lutele siblings offer Booker the chance to cross worlds to meet Anna/Elizabeth again. When crossing over into Comstock's world, his mind gets addled in the process. He forgets about his past (the daughter) and mixes his new objective with his earlier bargain of getting the girl to clear his debts.

At the end of the game, the tower is destroyed and all the restrictions on Elizabeth's power are lifted. She is finally able to peer into ALL the alternate worlds, crossing them at will. She then realises that Booker = Comstock, and although Comstock is dead in this world, the events are still proceeding as normal in many other alternate universes. She tells Booker that Comstock is still alive, asking if Booker is completely committed to ending the chain by killing Comstock at his 'birth'. Booker still has not realised that Comstock is just himself reborn, and commits to it. He walks into the scene of Wounded Knee, where he had just previously refused baptism (and forgiveness for his past sins). He finally realises the truth, at which point several other Elizabeths appear, showing just how many of them have suffered due to his transition into Comstock. They smother him in the water and he dies without resisting; the chain is broken and the other Elizabeths disappear.

Things I'm still not clear about or do not fit with this theory:
- What happened at the lighthouse at the beginning? Who set up the sign/dead guy inside?
- Exactly how does Booker pre-baptism in just one world kill ALL the Comstocks in all the worlds?
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TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
March 26 2013 13:28 GMT
#298
On March 26 2013 20:44 adwodon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.


Hyperbole much?

Games have a long way to go before they can even hope to come close to literature in terms of story telling. Film is still miles ahead of games but still trails behind literature, and thats not because I believe books to be fundamentally better, they've just been around for centuries and are a more singular cohesive and personal vision.

Even then if it were the 'greatest and most beautiful story ever written' you wouldn't know and you wouldn't be able to judge that in a few hours / days of experiencing it. It takes decades, centuries even, for the full effect of something to be fully understood. Seriously, you think that this can compete with Paradise Lost or The Divine Comedy? Books which heavily influenced, and continue to influence billions of people and hundreds of years of culture. Does it come close to a film like Brazil or Blade Runner, which for all their brilliance are still flawed, showing just how far film still has to go before it can stand toe-to-toe with literatures greats? What and how does it do things different from games to date which, in comparison to film and literature are laughable in terms of story and characterization?

It would also be somewhat depressing to think that games had reached that level, they are still way in their infancy, only a decade ago it was all teenage power fantasy and space marines, we still (hopefully) have hundreds of years to build and improve the medium and I'm quite keen to enjoy the ride, movies took decades to really begin appealing to broad culture and they are far easier to make compared to a game, so I don't think we'll be seeing games challenge film or books for a long time on their own merits, there's still too many limitations and problems associated with the medium which are going to take decades to overcome.

I don't wish to put the game down and I get people are excited, but a bit of restraint and proper critical thinking perhaps? Something can be great, and very enjoyable without being 'OMFG BEST THIANG EVAR', especially something with such a budget where story and characters were undoubtedly influenced on some level by market appeal.

Although I will say I'm glad people are looking at the story, but still most reviews have stayed away from actually criticising it, games won't truly be on par with film and literature until we actually start seriously criticising and dissecting story and characters and if this game pushes that further, especially by people discussing and criticising this games flaws, the better the medium will be in the future.

I haven't gone into this game with much expectation but considering peoples reactions I think I am going to have to investigate further, put on my critic hat and get to grips with this game, and I suspect I will be pleasantly surprised as I go deeper and I hope that I find a game that can truly be held up as a game, but the key words are as a game, and I will certainly try to take my time.


Wow, talk about buzz-killing. While I'm over here having the time of my life, you're just over analyzing an obvious exaggeration. It's posts like these that make me question if some people know how to let go and just enjoy themselves. Who cares if one person says omfg best thing ever while most would just say it's great? Who are you to decide how I feel about this game. I hope you learn to let go. I also hope you decide to never critique anything again because I can't even imagine what you'd say to something you've actually played. I can just imagine, 'while it is great, the hype around this game is obviously not deserved. To say it's one of the greatest games ever is depressing because we are only at the beginning of the powerful game generation. 6/10'

And to the guy who agreed with him about my hyperbole and the proceeded to attempt to guess my age based on my excitement over a game- uhhhh 1. I'm 20 and I've read an extremely large amount of books. 2. You act like being excited about something is immature or negative. I'd say the second you stop getting excited about the little things in life that you've enjoyed, you've lost one of the best parts of your life, childish wonder. So while you two are miserably critiquing every aspect of the world, I'm going to enjoy what I enjoy, and ignore what I don't enjoy.
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 13:41:07
March 26 2013 13:37 GMT
#299
On March 26 2013 20:44 adwodon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.


Hyperbole much?

Games have a long way to go before they can even hope to come close to literature in terms of story telling. Film is still miles ahead of games but still trails behind literature, and thats not because I believe books to be fundamentally better, they've just been around for centuries and are a more singular cohesive and personal vision.
Books and movies aren't interactive. Maybe some day we can interact with the realms of Milton and be marvelled. Maybe we will realize behind the rich and poetic language the story itself is pretty bland.

LiangHao
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 26 2013 13:52 GMT
#300
On March 26 2013 20:44 adwodon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 14:34 TimENT wrote:
On March 26 2013 14:26 Aerisky wrote:
Whoa, so many positive comments! :D Alright, definitely going to get it. The review especially, the clips of the game it showed were just jaw-droppingly gorgeous. And we're not talking photorealism or what have you, the game environment just looks...spectacular. The atmosphere as well is just beyond my diction to describe. :OO


The trailers and review don't even do it justice. Yes, the atmosphere is potentially the greatest ever created in a fictional world (books, movies, games), and yes, the combat is probably the most enjoyable complete package I have ever encountered, and yes, the characters are simply outstanding, and yes, the music is incredibly captivating... But, beyond all of this lies one of the greatest and most beautiful stories ever written. Simply breathtaking, life-changing, and mind-numbing. Once again Ken Levine proves that video games have the potential to match and potentially surpass even the greatest of fictional novels.


Hyperbole much?

Games have a long way to go before they can even hope to come close to literature in terms of story telling. Film is still miles ahead of games but still trails behind literature, and thats not because I believe books to be fundamentally better, they've just been around for centuries and are a more singular cohesive and personal vision.

Even then if it were the 'greatest and most beautiful story ever written' you wouldn't know and you wouldn't be able to judge that in a few hours / days of experiencing it. It takes decades, centuries even, for the full effect of something to be fully understood. Seriously, you think that this can compete with Paradise Lost or The Divine Comedy? Books which heavily influenced, and continue to influence billions of people and hundreds of years of culture. Does it come close to a film like Brazil or Blade Runner, which for all their brilliance are still flawed, showing just how far film still has to go before it can stand toe-to-toe with literatures greats? What and how does it do things different from games to date which, in comparison to film and literature are laughable in terms of story and characterization?

It would also be somewhat depressing to think that games had reached that level, they are still way in their infancy, only a decade ago it was all teenage power fantasy and space marines, we still (hopefully) have hundreds of years to build and improve the medium and I'm quite keen to enjoy the ride, movies took decades to really begin appealing to broad culture and they are far easier to make compared to a game, so I don't think we'll be seeing games challenge film or books for a long time on their own merits, there's still too many limitations and problems associated with the medium which are going to take decades to overcome.

I don't wish to put the game down and I get people are excited, but a bit of restraint and proper critical thinking perhaps? Something can be great, and very enjoyable without being 'OMFG BEST THIANG EVAR', especially something with such a budget where story and characters were undoubtedly influenced on some level by market appeal.

Although I will say I'm glad people are looking at the story, but still most reviews have stayed away from actually criticising it, games won't truly be on par with film and literature until we actually start seriously criticising and dissecting story and characters and if this game pushes that further, especially by people discussing and criticising this games flaws, the better the medium will be in the future.

I haven't gone into this game with much expectation but considering peoples reactions I think I am going to have to investigate further, put on my critic hat and get to grips with this game, and I suspect I will be pleasantly surprised as I go deeper and I hope that I find a game that can truly be held up as a game, but the key words are as a game, and I will certainly try to take my time.

I suggest you closely read his statement again, he talks about potential, and I'd have to agree. This medium is extremely young so we can't possibly know what will become of it, probably on our entire lifetimes, but anyone who's read a ton of books, watched many movies, listened to hundreds of musicians, and played many games, can tell that games can cause powerful feelings on a person, so the potenal is definitely there, you just gotta let it develop.

Meanwhile, just enjoy your games, and don't kill other people's buzz
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