EPTNFL Season 2010 - Page 55
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Zeller
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carpola
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [New Ranking] + 1. Atlanta Falcons 2. Indianapolis Colts 3. Pittsburgh Steelers 4. Green Bay Packers 5. New England Patriots 6. Kansas City Chiefs 7. Philadelphia Eagles 8. Tennessee Titans 9. New York Jets 10. Seattle Seahawks 11. San Diego Chargers 12. Chicago Bears 13. St Louis Rams 14. Miami Dolphins 15. Denver Broncos 16. Cincinnati Bengals 17. Baltimore Ravens 18. Minnesota Vikings 19. Dallas Cowboys 20. New Orleans Saints 21. Washington Redskins 22. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 23. Detroit Lions 24. Cleveland Browns 25. Oakland Raiders 26. Houston Texans 27. Arizona Cardinals 28. New York Giants 29. Carolina Panthers 30. Buffalo Bills 31. San Francisco 49ers 32. Jacksonville Jaguars Both New York Giants and Houston look a little low, but neither can stop anybody. -(Removed this, it was causing confusion)- So far this year: 8/16 6/16 10/16 --- 24/48 Games: New York Jets at Buffalo Bills -- Barring some sort of implosion from the Jets, or Ryan Fitzpatrick turning into at least Charlie Batch, the line on this one ought to be about Jets -21. Cincinnati Bengals at Cleveland Browns -- Cinci's had to work way too hard for what they've accomplished, while the Browns, to my great surprise, sometimes look competent. I'm really tempted to consider this upset material - but not much more than tempted. Baltimore Ravens at Pittsburgh Steelers -- The Ravens' schedule has been really tough, and it's not exactly getting easier. I think the birds are fakes: Steelers by a decent margin. Denver Broncos at Tennessee Titans -- The up-down theory says the Broncos ought to win this one going away, but I can't find any hard evidence that they'll do very well. Orton will likely have another great day between the 20s, but I think Fisher's got a handle on things again. Detroit Lions at Green Bay Packers -- Sorry Detroit, homerism only extends so far. San Francisco at Atlanta Falcons -- I'd like the 49ers to be good, but I'm not convinced firing the OC was enough. Carolina Panthers at New Orleans Saints -- The Saints hadn't had a really impressive game until this week; the Panthers look if possible worse by the week. And New Orleans is home. Seattle Seahawks at St Louis Rams -- This should be a close game; I haven't really paid attention to either team, but the Rams looked better on Sunday despite Leon Washington. Still, I think Seattle ought to be the better team. So I'm not ready to Rams-bandwagon yet, but another plausible upset, would not surprise me. Indianapolis Colts at Jacksonville Jaguars -- I currently have the Jags as the worst team in the league. Admittedly, they've put up their terrible numbers against good competition, but that's exactly what Indy is. Houston Texans at Oakland Raiders -- I'm not exactly happy with this pick, but something happened to Houston since they ripped Indianapolis, and Oakland, despite multiple snafus, is at least a football team with Gradkowski in. It's still an upset on almost everybody's ranking, but it's one I'm going with. Washington Redskins at Philadelphia Eagles -- I'd like to think Washington has the better quarterback, but the Eagles win the matchups the rest of the way - and as I said to start the season, Reid is a better coach than Shanahan. Arizona Cardinals at San Diego Chargers -- I think the Chargers are too good to find yet another new and creative way to lose to a team as bad as the Cards - but they have to limit those turnovers. Chicago Bears at New York Giants -- My gut is screaming Giants win as Cutler throws three (six? nine?) picks, but I'm not listening - the G-men have looked terrible. New England Patriots at Miami Dolphins -- I like the look of this year's Dolphins, and the Patriots' defense might as well not exist, but I think the Patriots' attack will shred the Dolphins' D and come out with a shootout win. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On September 30 2010 11:19 Musoeun wrote: Prediction time! But first my personal numerical rankings, a little bit weirder this week: + Show Spoiler [New Ranking] + 1. Atlanta Falcons 2. Indianapolis Colts 3. Pittsburgh Steelers 4. Green Bay Packers 5. New England Patriots 6. Kansas City Chiefs 7. Philadelphia Eagles 8. Tennessee Titans 9. New York Jets 10. Seattle Seahawks 11. San Diego Chargers 12. Chicago Bears 13. St Louis Rams 14. Miami Dolphins 15. Denver Broncos 16. Cincinnati Bengals 17. Baltimore Ravens 18. Minnesota Vikings 19. Dallas Cowboys 20. New Orleans Saints 21. Washington Redskins 22. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 23. Detroit Lions 24. Cleveland Browns 25. Oakland Raiders 26. Houston Texans 27. Arizona Cardinals 28. New York Giants 29. Carolina Panthers 30. Buffalo Bills 31. San Francisco 49ers 32. Jacksonville Jaguars Both New York Giants and Houston look a little low, but neither can stop anybody. I also changed the formula a little this week. Using last week's formula, the ranking looks like this: + Show Spoiler + 1. Pittsburgh Steelers 2. Atlanta Falcons 3. Kansas City Chiefs 3. Tennessee Titans 5. Green Bay Packers 6. Indianapolis Colts 7. Philadelphia Eagles 8. Seattle Seahawks 9. New York Jets 10. Chicago Bears 11. San Diego Chargers 11. St Louis Rams 13. New England Patriots 14. Miami Dolphins 15. Denver Broncos 15. Cincinnati Bengals 15. Baltimore Ravens 18. Minnesota Vikings 19. New Orleans Saints 20. Dallas Cowboys 20. Washington Redskins 22. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 22. Houston Texans 24. Detroit Lions 25. Cleveland Browns 26. Oakland Raiders 27. Arizona Cardinals 28. New York Giants 28. Carolina Panthers 30. Buffalo Bills 31. Jacksonville Jaguars 32. San Francisco 49ers The only significant difference is the Patriots, who drop to 13 on the basis of having an absolutely terrible defense. So far this year: 8/16 6/16 10/16 --- 24/48 The Falcons have one good win, and that was vs NO, but NO is the #20 team... how does beating the #19 team (BARELY, and because their kicker fucking blows, not because they necessarily outplayed them) put a team at #2? How are the Rams better than the Texans? The Texans D is at least as good, and they have one of the most explosive offenses in the league. The Packers are better than the Bears? You can't just say "oh, dumb mistakes cost them the game." Those holding calls were forced. A lot of them could have, and likely would have, been brutal sacks, so they held to keep their QB from dying at the hands of Peppers. They may be better, but certainly not five spots better. The Chiefs are better than the Colts? Okay... The TITANS AT THREE? ARE YOU KIDDING? I don't even know what to say to that. And better than the Colts? What's your basis for these picks? A couple teams have shocking 3-0 starts, and others beat some really shitty teams and they're somehow tops in the league? I mean, St. Louis is 1-2, and they're #11? I'm not gonna do a whole 32 team thing, because I'd have to do way too much scheduling research, but my top ten (turns out I bonused you guys with 11!) would be something like... + Show Spoiler + 1. NYJ even though it pains me to say this. Their offense is looking good, and we know their D is great. I give 2. PITT one of the best D's in the league, yet to see the true potential of their offense maybe? 3? Maybe ATL gets #3 for knocking off the team that was considered the best the NFC had to offer. 4. Indy P. Manning is the fucking man, and that offense is too good for most teams to stop. If they get a lead, it's over. 5? Probably GB at 5 where you have them. Great offense, defense has an effective pass rush. Secondary leaves something to be desired, but still a top NFC team, and the two conferences are close nowadays. 6. Chicago at six, because I think that when that offense is clicking, it has potential to be one of the best offenses in the league. Their D is obviously good after keeping one of the most potent offenses down to 17 points. 7. New Orleans - a 3 point loss that should have been a win does not drop them out of the top ten. 8. Texans - Their offense is one of the most dangerous in the league at full strength. Their defense is struggling, but still very talented. The loss of Dunta Robinson is showing right now. 9. Patriots - Their D is awful, but they're still winning their games, and they're scoring shitloads of points while doing so. Their only loss comes to my #1 team, which isn't a bad thing. 10. Cincy - They lost to NE in the opener, tough loss, but they rebounded from it. Their offense still leaves something to be desired, because of inconsistencies, but their D is still a good D. They beat my #11 team, Baltimore too, so they have to be higher, imo. 11. Baltimore - As stated. Their offense simply is not clicking yet, but I think they'll get their act together soon. Still, the D is so sick, and they did top the Jets though the Jets didn't play their best game. Beyond these teams none of them are very good right now, so idk where to put them. My list isn't the end-all-be-all either. There's a lot of debate, but I don't believe that KC--a team that beat a bad SD team, squeaked by Cleveland, and beat up on one of the worst teams in the NFL--deserves a top ten ranking. The Rams, at 1-2 having only beaten the awful Skins, do not deserve to be #11. I have ATL ranked high, too high in fact, but I can't think of a team that deserves the spot more. One loss and they drop 4-7 spots. Your argument against the Texans can be made about Philly (and moreso, since their offense is nowhere near as talented), yet they're #7 on your list? The 'Hawks beat two bad teams, they have some stuff to prove still. Teams like them and KC, with a lot left to prove because of lack of quality wins, or consistently dominant wins over really bad teams (with the exception of one week for each team). To me, teams like this should fill out 11-17. They're looking good, but we can't really tell yet if they're for real. Teams like the Bears and Atlanta are rated too highly because they both grabbed HIGH QUALITY wins early on. They still both have question marks, but because of wins over top 10, and top 5 teams, they deserve a top spot the week after. This is just my opinion, and don't take my harshness too personally please. : D (Fuck I make long posts.) | ||
Souma
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On September 30 2010 13:00 Souma wrote: I'm trying to pick up Michael Crabtree off waivers. Someone just dropped him. I think he has good potential with the new offensive coordinator coming in. I predicted Austin Collie would blow up, now I predict Michael Crabtree relighting his fire! I doubt it. Not until they have a consistent QB. On September 30 2010 08:04 zak wrote: which one of you lucky mothers chose Vick as QB? I grabbed him off waivers in one league, and in the other someone else grabbed him off the FA list. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
I'm waiting till Vick actually plays a good team before i get anywhere near doing that, but still, his legs alone are pretty valuable FF wise. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On September 30 2010 13:00 Souma wrote: I'm trying to pick up Michael Crabtree off waivers. Someone just dropped him. I think he has good potential with the new offensive coordinator coming in. I predicted Austin Collie would blow up, now I predict Michael Crabtree relighting his fire! Collie might crash back to Earth when Garcon returns. | ||
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tonight
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KOFgokuon
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On October 01 2010 00:33 KOFgokuon wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5632476 "A woman who answered the phone at Pittsburgh-based PBL Sports, which specializes in such limited-edition products featuring star athletes and their favorite charities, told the Enquirer that the company is looking into the situation." Did they tell the Enquirer (never mentioned), or the inquirer? | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Some of your complaints are based on the older ranking, which I noticed had problems and updated, but I'll deal with the ones that are still valid. On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The Falcons have one good win, and that was vs NO, but NO is the #20 team... how does beating the #19 team (BARELY, and because their kicker fucking blows, not because they necessarily outplayed them) put a team at #2? They've got the one good win; I'd argue the game against Pitt was what you could call a "good loss"; and they blew out Arizona. I'd say the instinct #1 is Pittsburgh right now (#3 on my rank). What's mostly got the Falcons up there, however, is that they've only had two turnovers and given up 0 points off those turnovers. The way this rank works is based basically on drive results, and as I initially set it up it punishes turnovers heavily, something I may have to adjust. On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: How are the Rams better than the Texans? The Texans D is at least as good, and they have one of the most explosive offenses in the league. This one's got me a little puzzled also. The simple answer is that the way I've counted things out the Texans have the worst defense in the league, while the Rams clock in at #5. Both give up a lot of yards, but the Texans have allowed something like 60% more points. The Rams offense isn't good, but the Texans D is so bad that the comparison suggests the Rams could come out ahead. One weakness I may have to figure out how to address is that averaging drives ignores the fact that some teams manage more possessions than others. The Lions, for example, have had 40 possessions this year, while the Patriots have only had 30. (However, that doesn't really apply to this case as the Texans and Rams are about even.) On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:The Packers are better than the Bears? You can't just say "oh, dumb mistakes cost them the game." Those holding calls were forced. A lot of them could have, and likely would have, been brutal sacks, so they held to keep their QB from dying at the hands of Peppers. They may be better, but certainly not five spots better. Before this week, the numbers I had had Green Bay at #1 - they've dropped to #4 with the loss, which I think isn't unreasonable considering any or all of the following: GB was a preseason Super Bowl favorite; they looked sloppy but not bad Sunday; they beat Philadelphia, which I'm still convinced is the best team in the NFC East (possibly says more about the division than the Eagles) convincingly and the Bills worse. I like Chicago's chances, but their method of going unbeaten (a weird call against the Lions, a close game against Dallas, and a closer one against Green Bay at home) doesn't really tell me how good they are. On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:What's your basis for these picks? A couple teams have shocking 3-0 starts, and others beat some really shitty teams and they're somehow tops in the league? I mean, St. Louis is 1-2, and they're #13? St Louis I really don't understand, other than to say their defense has looked reasonably good and they put up a ton of points on Washington this week. The Rams and Texans look out of place to me, but I'm just running numbers. As to what those numbers are, they're based on drive length and scoring, adjusted as well as I can to compensate for the fact that good defenses will shorten the field for the offense. This is primarily an experiment - I'm not claiming divine inspiration or anything. I also haven't figured out yet how to adjust my numbers based on opponent - that's the next project, and it may take a while. I've got to argue with a couple of these. On September 30 2010 12:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: 8. Texans - Their offense is one of the most dangerous in the league at full strength. Their defense is struggling, but still very talented. The loss of Dunta Robinson is showing right now. 11. Baltimore - As stated. Their offense simply is not clicking yet, but I think they'll get their act together soon. Still, the D is so sick, and they did top the Jets though the Jets didn't play their best game. I don't like the Texans right now. I'd love to see them finally accomplish something, but until they get that defense fixed, I don't feel like giving them benefit of the doubt unless they at least manage 4-1. I'd put them around 14-18 just by "feel". Baltimore I just don't like. I'm not sure I believe in Flacco, they lost to Cinci while playing "their" style of game, and they had way too much trouble with the Browns. They're 3rd best in their division - which in this case is probably praise for the division - but while they're a consistent team in what they do every week, I just don't think they're good. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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To defend my opinions: Cicny has beaten them three times in a row at their own game. One more loss doesn't make the Ravens any better or worse. Cincy's defense is for real, their offense is their question mark. I'm not sold on the Ravens as a whole, but that D will carry them, as it has for several years now. I think Flacco is out of the league within three years, though. The Texans... yeah, they're struggling on defense, but, in fairness, two of three teams are amongst the top 5-7 offenses in the NFL. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
I have: Steven Jackson against Seattle Brandon Jackson against Detroit Ryan Mathews against Arizona BenJarvus Green-Ellis @ Miami If Steven is going to start, im obviously choosing him. But the second RB is turning out to be a hard decision. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On October 01 2010 02:05 CultureMisfits wrote: Who should I start at RB? I have: Steven Jackson against Seattle Brandon Jackson against Detroit Ryan Mathews against Arizona BenJarvus Green-Ellis @ Miami If Steven is going to start, im obviously choosing him. But the second RB is turning out to be a hard decision. I can only think of complete bullshit reasons to give as to why to play one guy over the other. I'd probably go Green-Ellis because I think he is the best runner out of the bunch. Brandon Jackson sucks, Ryan Matthews' line can't block, leaves you with Ellis. SJax is obvious if he goes. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 30 2010 11:19 Musoeun wrote: Prediction time! But first my personal numerical rankings, a little bit weirder this week: 1. Atlanta Falcons 2. Indianapolis Colts 3. Pittsburgh Steelers 4. Green Bay Packers 5. New England Patriots 6. Kansas City Chiefs 7. Philadelphia Eagles 8. Tennessee Titans 9. New York Jets 10. Seattle Seahawks 11. San Diego Chargers 12. Chicago Bears 13. St Louis Rams 14. Miami Dolphins 15. Denver Broncos 16. Cincinnati Bengals 17. Baltimore Ravens 18. Minnesota Vikings 19. Dallas Cowboys 20. New Orleans Saints 21. Washington Redskins 22. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 23. Detroit Lions 24. Cleveland Browns 25. Oakland Raiders 26. Houston Texans 27. Arizona Cardinals 28. New York Giants 29. Carolina Panthers 30. Buffalo Bills 31. San Francisco 49ers 32. Jacksonville Jaguars Both New York Giants and Houston look a little low, but neither can stop anybody. I really don't understand your rankings at all. Cleveland #24? Houston at #26? New Orleans at #20? Atlanta #1? Chiefs #6? Pats higher than Miami and the Jets? I sense quite a bit of bias in these rankings. Especially with NO and Houston so low and the Chiefs, Browns and Lion abnormally high. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
Knowing my luck, they'll probably all rush for fewer than 50 yards and no TDs.  | ||
BroOd
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Even so, Charles was worth where I drafted him. :O Also, MJD has sucked this year. I wouldn't be surprised if someone traded him. If I thought I could get anything of value for him, I probably would. | ||
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