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On February 17 2011 23:50 CoR wrote:german bundesliga > rest  at least its on a way higher rating then years ago ^^ i would say better then series A so Primera División Premier League Bundesliga ^^ and then italy but rly dont like them anymore xD
The Premier League is better I think. Primera has 2 teams that cost maybe more than the rest of the entire field. Bundesliga and Premier League are much more competitive.
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On February 18 2011 04:23 luckybeni2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 23:50 CoR wrote:german bundesliga > rest at least its on a way higher rating then years ago ^^ i would say better then series A so Primera División Premier League Bundesliga ^^ and then italy but rly dont like them anymore xD The Premier League is better I think. Primera has 2 teams that cost maybe more than the rest of the entire field. Bundesliga and Premier League are much more competitive.
Yeah agreed, I follow Bundesliga second to the Premier League. As good as Barcelona and Real Madrid are, they are pretty much the only two teams in the league. Italian football is for sure falling down.
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everytime i watch Bundesliga, it seems to always been an open attacking game with classy goals. definitely think bundesliga > la liga but probably not EPL
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bundesliga you will see always amazing games, the highest number of goals per game out of all the leagues.
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MURICA15980 Posts
People always talk about Arsenal as if they are trying to become like Barca in style and whatever, but even though I think Barca are the stronger side, I find Arsenal's style much more entertaining to watch and I would hate to see them go the Barcalona route.
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Arsenal's style is definitely similar to Barcelona's, but I feel as if the Premier League adds to the team a more physical and rapid aspect to beautiful passing, and over the years it finally sunk in and blossomed into this years' Gunners. Also, it's important to note that Arsenal are one of the few teams in the EPL that lack a strong CB duo (or overall backline for any case). That have definitely haunted them in the past. 
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Norway28914 Posts
barcelona is so amazing when they attack, it's just really sad that they decide to spend the majority of games passing the ball around the midfield. 
I mean, as a general gameplan it works brilliantly, other teams become annoyed and frustrated because they're not allowed to handle the ball, eventually their amazing skill in passing the ball in tiny areas creates some opening (in particular because other teams become frustrated by not having the ball and take slightly bigger risks trying to claim it) which they manage to take advantage of.. and I can't really fault them for playing to win, but in terms of entertainment arsenal is way ahead imo, even if less skilled.
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Wow. What a game. Fantastic performance by the Gunners.
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On February 18 2011 06:28 Liquid`Drone wrote:barcelona is so amazing when they attack, it's just really sad that they decide to spend the majority of games passing the ball around the midfield. I mean, as a general gameplan it works brilliantly, other teams become annoyed and frustrated because they're not allowed to handle the ball, eventually their amazing skill in passing the ball in tiny areas creates some opening (in particular because other teams become frustrated by not having the ball and take slightly bigger risks trying to claim it) which they manage to take advantage of.. and I can't really fault them for playing to win, but in terms of entertainment arsenal is way ahead imo, even if less skilled.
yeah, Busquets sometimes overdoes these passes tbh, even though he can sometimes have the liberty to move forward or pass it in front he passes it back for no reason.
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they had a 19 and 20 year old that started, Arsenal has some promising young talent!
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On February 18 2011 07:40 nitram wrote:they had a 19 and 20 year old that started, Arsenal has some promising young talent!
Lmao great stuff
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On February 18 2011 04:23 luckybeni2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2011 23:50 CoR wrote:german bundesliga > rest at least its on a way higher rating then years ago ^^ i would say better then series A so Primera División Premier League Bundesliga ^^ and then italy but rly dont like them anymore xD The Premier League is better I think. Primera has 2 teams that cost maybe more than the rest of the entire field. Bundesliga and Premier League are much more competitive.
This is a completely ridiculous claim. Premier EPL,SPL and Calcio will utterly demolish any german team with the exception of Bayern Munich. Spain has a lot of great teams such as Atletico, Valencia, Villareal. Germany has only Bayern Munich, Leverkusen, Schalke and on a lesser degree Werder Bremen. The rest of german teams are just horrendous.
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On February 18 2011 07:40 nitram wrote:they had a 19 and 20 year old that started, Arsenal has some promising young talent!
AHAHHAHAHAAHAHH
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I really disagree with you, Ganjamaster. A lot of german teams are on par with spanish teams and Italy has really just Inter and AC, nothing else. All othere teams there are worse then german top 6.
The only league that is really ahead is PL. Just watch the results of the last 5 years. Current standings show that bundelisga will make second place in 11/12.
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Top 20 Clubs (2011 season): German teams bold
+ Show Spoiler +1 Manchester United Eng 25.3250 32.5750 28.0000 28.5856 21.9000 136.385
2 FC Barcelona Esp 17.8000 27.7750 28.6624 30.5856 21.5000 126.323
3 Chelsea Eng 26.3250 28.5750 25.0000 22.5856 21.9000 124.385
4 Bayern München Ger 18.9000 22.7000 22.5374 30.6166 21.7332 116.487
5 Liverpool Eng 27.3250 24.5750 23.0000 24.5856 11.9000 111.385
6 Arsenal Eng 16.3250 21.5750 22.0000 25.5856 21.9000 107.385
7 Internazionale Ita 15.3856 16.0500 13.2750 34.0856 18.2000 96.996
8 AC Milan Ita 26.3856 16.0500 14.2750 19.0856 17.2000 92.996
9 Werder Bremen Ger 22.9000 15.7000 24.5374 18.6166 10.7332 92.487
10 Real Madrid Esp 17.8000 14.7750 14.6624 22.5856 22.5000 92.323
11 Olympique Lyon Fra 17.0000 13.3856 15.2000 28.0000 18.0166 91.602
12 Sevilla Esp 28.8000 18.7750 10.6624 22.5856 9.5000 90.323
13 AS Roma Ita 19.3856 19.0500 16.2750 12.0856 18.2000 84.996
14 Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 13.3000 7.9750 29.3250 11.1600 22.6832 84.443
15 Valencia Esp 20.8000 9.7750 13.6624 19.5856 20.5000 84.323
16 FC Porto Por 14.6166 15.5856 17.3570 21.0000 15.1600 83.719
17 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 21.3250 16.5750 12.0000 3.5856 21.9000 75.385
18 Hamburger SV Ger 6.9000 18.7000 24.5374 21.6166 2.7332 74.487
19 CSKA Moscow Rus 11.3250 6.2500 18.9500 21.2332 14.7832 72.541
20 Atlético Madrid Esp 3.8000 14.7750 17.6624 24.5856 8
Source
Serie A: 3
Bundesliga: 3
Spanish Primera: 5
EPL: 4
The standings have you tied with Italy at best, and historically speaking italian teams have won significantly more european championships than german teams.
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On February 18 2011 06:47 RJGooner wrote:
Wow. What a game. Fantastic performance by the Gunners.
If you're talking about the game vs Barca, then I must say it was fantastic last 30 minutes by them.
Only this much. They played quite bad game in the first half, frequently losing posession in front of their own goal. Both teams were very nervous, but Barcelona wrapped it up faster, abusing Clichy's mistake while making offside trap. Szczęsny got unlucky this time and it was 0-1.
In the second half, it was Koscielny who completely took care of Messi. Also, coach Guardiola had little idea what to do to improve team's play, since both Iniesta and Xavi were playing sub-par to their standards and Dani Alves was tied down to defence against Nasri's dribbles.
That being said, it was Victor Valdes who gave Arsenal hope of coming back.
Gerard 'Shakira' Pique helped Gunners too.
Barca is still favourite to advance, but I don't get why they kept Valdes and sold Rafa Marquez.
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On February 18 2011 23:33 popzags wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 06:47 RJGooner wrote:
Wow. What a game. Fantastic performance by the Gunners. If you're talking about the game vs Barca, then I must say it was fantastic last 30 minutes by them. Only this much. They played quite bad game in the first half, frequently losing posession in front of their own goal. Both teams were very nervous, but Barcelona wrapped it up faster, abusing Clichy's mistake while making offside trap. Szczęsny got unlucky this time and it was 0-1. In the second half, it was Koscielny who completely took care of Messi. Also, coach Guardiola had little idea what to do to improve team's play, since both Iniesta and Xavi were playing sub-par to their standards and Dani Alves was tied down to defence against Nasri's dribbles. That being said, it was Victor Valdes who gave Arsenal hope of coming back. Gerard 'Shakira' Pique helped Gunners too. Barca is still favourite to advance, but I don't get why they kept Valdes and sold Rafa Marquez.
Rafa Marquez is old, if they could get some money for him then it was an obvious sale. Agree with Valdez, but he is a household name and it would not go down well with the fans if they just got rid of him.
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On February 18 2011 23:38 Ganjamaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 23:33 popzags wrote:On February 18 2011 06:47 RJGooner wrote:
Wow. What a game. Fantastic performance by the Gunners. If you're talking about the game vs Barca, then I must say it was fantastic last 30 minutes by them. Only this much. They played quite bad game in the first half, frequently losing posession in front of their own goal. Both teams were very nervous, but Barcelona wrapped it up faster, abusing Clichy's mistake while making offside trap. Szczęsny got unlucky this time and it was 0-1. In the second half, it was Koscielny who completely took care of Messi. Also, coach Guardiola had little idea what to do to improve team's play, since both Iniesta and Xavi were playing sub-par to their standards and Dani Alves was tied down to defence against Nasri's dribbles. That being said, it was Victor Valdes who gave Arsenal hope of coming back. Gerard 'Shakira' Pique helped Gunners too. Barca is still favourite to advance, but I don't get why they kept Valdes and sold Rafa Marquez. Rafa Marquez is old, if they could get some money for him then it was an obvious sale. Agree with Valdez, but he is a household name and it would not go down well with the fans if they just got rid of him.
Marquez turned 32 five days ago.
For the comparison, Carles Puyol approaches 33 and still is backbone of the team. Alessandro Nesta will turn 35 in March and does well in Milan (albeit not necessarily in Champions League).
Rafa was very good as a defensive midfielder as well, shame that they got rid of him (while Keita kinda failed on Emirates Stadium). Valdes... Meh, you're right, fanboys can be really blind.
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On February 18 2011 23:33 Ganjamaster wrote:Top 20 Clubs (2011 season): German teams bold+ Show Spoiler +1 Manchester United Eng 25.3250 32.5750 28.0000 28.5856 21.9000 136.385
2 FC Barcelona Esp 17.8000 27.7750 28.6624 30.5856 21.5000 126.323
3 Chelsea Eng 26.3250 28.5750 25.0000 22.5856 21.9000 124.385
4 Bayern München Ger 18.9000 22.7000 22.5374 30.6166 21.7332 116.487
5 Liverpool Eng 27.3250 24.5750 23.0000 24.5856 11.9000 111.385
6 Arsenal Eng 16.3250 21.5750 22.0000 25.5856 21.9000 107.385
7 Internazionale Ita 15.3856 16.0500 13.2750 34.0856 18.2000 96.996
8 AC Milan Ita 26.3856 16.0500 14.2750 19.0856 17.2000 92.996
9 Werder Bremen Ger 22.9000 15.7000 24.5374 18.6166 10.7332 92.487
10 Real Madrid Esp 17.8000 14.7750 14.6624 22.5856 22.5000 92.323
11 Olympique Lyon Fra 17.0000 13.3856 15.2000 28.0000 18.0166 91.602
12 Sevilla Esp 28.8000 18.7750 10.6624 22.5856 9.5000 90.323
13 AS Roma Ita 19.3856 19.0500 16.2750 12.0856 18.2000 84.996
14 Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr 13.3000 7.9750 29.3250 11.1600 22.6832 84.443
15 Valencia Esp 20.8000 9.7750 13.6624 19.5856 20.5000 84.323
16 FC Porto Por 14.6166 15.5856 17.3570 21.0000 15.1600 83.719
17 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 21.3250 16.5750 12.0000 3.5856 21.9000 75.385
18 Hamburger SV Ger 6.9000 18.7000 24.5374 21.6166 2.7332 74.487
19 CSKA Moscow Rus 11.3250 6.2500 18.9500 21.2332 14.7832 72.541
20 Atlético Madrid Esp 3.8000 14.7750 17.6624 24.5856 8
Serie A: 3 Bundesliga: 3Spanish Primera: 5 EPL: 4 The standings have you tied with Italy at best, and historically speaking italian teams have won significantly more european championships than german teams.
Why don't you take a look at UEFA's own coefficient ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient
As soon as the 2006/7 season drops out of the rating, there is a good chance Bundesliga overtakes Liga BBVA and takes second place, Italy is clearly in 4th place right now.
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On February 18 2011 23:50 popzags wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 23:38 Ganjamaster wrote:On February 18 2011 23:33 popzags wrote:On February 18 2011 06:47 RJGooner wrote:
Wow. What a game. Fantastic performance by the Gunners. If you're talking about the game vs Barca, then I must say it was fantastic last 30 minutes by them. Only this much. They played quite bad game in the first half, frequently losing posession in front of their own goal. Both teams were very nervous, but Barcelona wrapped it up faster, abusing Clichy's mistake while making offside trap. Szczęsny got unlucky this time and it was 0-1. In the second half, it was Koscielny who completely took care of Messi. Also, coach Guardiola had little idea what to do to improve team's play, since both Iniesta and Xavi were playing sub-par to their standards and Dani Alves was tied down to defence against Nasri's dribbles. That being said, it was Victor Valdes who gave Arsenal hope of coming back. Gerard 'Shakira' Pique helped Gunners too. Barca is still favourite to advance, but I don't get why they kept Valdes and sold Rafa Marquez. Rafa Marquez is old, if they could get some money for him then it was an obvious sale. Agree with Valdez, but he is a household name and it would not go down well with the fans if they just got rid of him. Marquez turned 32 five days ago. For the comparison, Carles Puyol approaches 33 and still is backbone of the team. Alessandro Nesta will turn 35 in March and does well in Milan (albeit not necessarily in Champions League). Rafa was very good as a defensive midfielder as well, shame that they got rid of him (while Keita kinda failed on Emirates Stadium). Valdes... Meh, you're right, fanboys can be really blind.
Nesta is an exceptional defender and will go down in history as one of the best defenders in the last 20 years. His track record is absolutely ridiculous, but no need to get into that.
Puyol is another staple of Barcelona (raised in the youth teams) and has also been very good although he is on the decline. He is still very good, but the reason they dont sell him or bench him its because for the time being he is in good form, is the captain and heart of the team and is loved by the fans.
You CANNOT sell a player who is older than 32 for decent returns except in exceptional cases. Marquez had plenty of replacements that are better o as good as he was. Additionally he was injured for a long time. A good offer came in and they unloaded him, nothing wrong with that.
@Meneander
The UEFA coefficient is garbage and is not really representative of anything. The best leagues are the ones who spend the most money on players because the talent goes to where the better contracts are. In this respect, England and Spain pay significantly better contracts than Germany pays, and that is about it.
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