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Azza
Profile Joined June 2010
China650 Posts
February 19 2011 15:48 GMT
#2201
I would find that funny after years of people telling me at the start of the season that Arsenal were the club of the big four to drop out. Every year we were still there and then Liverpool dropped out, now chelsea would be class.

Here is to 15 consecative years of Arsenal being in the champions league, I think its down to three teams who have kept that consistency.
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 16:06:41
February 19 2011 16:06 GMT
#2202
I don't see how chelsea is better on paper than arsenal, can probably agree on spurs but then I will say that ManC probably look the strongest on paper in the whole EPL.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
February 19 2011 17:04 GMT
#2203
On February 20 2011 01:06 white_box921 wrote:
I don't see how chelsea is better on paper than arsenal, can probably agree on spurs but then I will say that ManC probably look the strongest on paper in the whole EPL.



Here a list of estimated market values:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html

Which is what I would base it upon, especially when you regard average market value.


On a side note, Bremen collapsing and Dortmund marching on and on and on...
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
February 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#2204
hoping for man utd losing to crawley lol.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
February 19 2011 17:12 GMT
#2205
On February 20 2011 02:06 krazymunky wrote:
hoping for man utd losing to crawley lol.


LOL You aren't the only one xD
I am going to watch the game for like a while and if Man U scores I will stop watching.
End my suffering
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2011 17:28 GMT
#2206
In terms of depth Chelsea/Man city have the strongest squads by far. Man Utd probably has the worst non first team squad out of the top teams.
orcsmash
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 17:55:30
February 19 2011 17:52 GMT
#2207
The top 2 Spanish teams stand out much more than the top 2 English teams, especially this season.

Spanish Primera Division:

1. Barcelona: 62 points (2D 1L) goals 71:12
2. Real Madrid: 57 points (3D 2L) goals 53:19
3. Valencia: 47 points (5D 4L) goals 38:25
4. Villarreal: 45 points (3D 6L) goals 41:23
5. Ath Bilbao: 38 points (2D 9L) goals 37:32

English Premier League:

1. Manchester United: 57 points (9D 1L) goals 57:25
2. Arsenal: 53 points (5D 5L) goals 56:27
3. Manchester City: points 49 (7D 6L) goals 43:24
4. Tottenham: points 47(8D 5L) goals 37:28
5. Chelsea: points 45 (6D 7L) goals 46:22

(Granted some teams have played less games than others, but even if you take those into account the difference can't be as big even if they were to get max points.)

The EPL is a lot more competitive, why it's the best league. And who cares who is better on paper and how a team *should* perform. You have to look at how things actually are not how they outta be, hi Liverpool and Schalke.
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
February 19 2011 18:04 GMT
#2208
Am I the only non french that loves Ligue 1? :D

Olympique Lyonnaise! FORZA!
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 19 2011 18:07 GMT
#2209
On February 20 2011 02:04 kazansky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 01:06 white_box921 wrote:
I don't see how chelsea is better on paper than arsenal, can probably agree on spurs but then I will say that ManC probably look the strongest on paper in the whole EPL.



Here a list of estimated market values:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html

Which is what I would base it upon, especially when you regard average market value.


On a side note, Bremen collapsing and Dortmund marching on and on and on...

Market value means little with inflated prices and estimated values.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
February 19 2011 18:50 GMT
#2210
united even suck vs a I don't even know what division team ... lucking out as usual
Azza
Profile Joined June 2010
China650 Posts
February 19 2011 19:01 GMT
#2211
On February 20 2011 03:50 Freaky[x] wrote:
united even suck vs a I don't even know what division team ... lucking out as usual


Not a full strength united side/ Crawley are Blue Square Premier team I believe. That's non league one below League two.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2011 19:08 GMT
#2212
Man U always plays bad vs bad teams but they get results.
Freaky[x]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada995 Posts
February 19 2011 19:12 GMT
#2213
they play like shit vs all teams but then the theater of dreams kicks in and they luck out with a penalty...
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 19 2011 19:23 GMT
#2214
On February 20 2011 04:08 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Man U always plays bad vs bad teams but they get results.

And that is exactly how you win leagues.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
February 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#2215
On February 20 2011 03:07 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 02:04 kazansky wrote:
On February 20 2011 01:06 white_box921 wrote:
I don't see how chelsea is better on paper than arsenal, can probably agree on spurs but then I will say that ManC probably look the strongest on paper in the whole EPL.



Here a list of estimated market values:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html

Which is what I would base it upon, especially when you regard average market value.


On a side note, Bremen collapsing and Dortmund marching on and on and on...

Market value means little with inflated prices and estimated values.


True. But when you talk about a team on paper, market value is the "on paper"

"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
February 19 2011 20:15 GMT
#2216
I don't even know how they come up with estimated value.... seriously, I looked at it for 1min and gave up. I don't even know where to start, first of all, all the teams in the EPL have a squad list of 25 people (or less) who they submit to the EPL and the rest are U21. How this site determine who is included or not doesn't seem to follow any rule to me.

Then, secondly, how the fuck can you have a market value for VDS when he will retire at the end of the season. And there are plenty of estimated value which I don't have much of a problem since there is no other way, but I think Carrol was sold for 30mil and that to me, is the market value. So when you don't use it, it kind of discredit the whole thing.

on a more important note, watching the RM-Lavante game and the commentators say that if RM wins (currently 2-0) then Mourinho will be unbeaten in a home league match for just over 9 years.......
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2011 20:25 GMT
#2217
On February 20 2011 04:12 Freaky[x] wrote:
they play like shit vs all teams but then the theater of dreams kicks in and they luck out with a penalty...


don't think that's what happens
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
February 19 2011 20:45 GMT
#2218
On February 20 2011 05:15 white_box921 wrote:
I don't even know how they come up with estimated value.... seriously, I looked at it for 1min and gave up. I don't even know where to start, first of all, all the teams in the EPL have a squad list of 25 people (or less) who they submit to the EPL and the rest are U21. How this site determine who is included or not doesn't seem to follow any rule to me.

Then, secondly, how the fuck can you have a market value for VDS when he will retire at the end of the season. And there are plenty of estimated value which I don't have much of a problem since there is no other way, but I think Carrol was sold for 30mil and that to me, is the market value. So when you don't use it, it kind of discredit the whole thing.

on a more important note, watching the RM-Lavante game and the commentators say that if RM wins (currently 2-0) then Mourinho will be unbeaten in a home league match for just over 9 years.......


It is an english appendix of a german site that has been around for quite awhile, the market values are discussed in the forums of them and approved by admins as far as I know.
This is of course not a "shopping list" for football teams by any means, just a ressource to be taken with as much criticism as you want.
Just a nice numeric basis of discussion rather than throwing out arbitrary statements

Market Value is neither what the players transfer fee has been, nor what you might earn if you
transfer him at next opportunity.
It's a estimated monetary value for a players value as a asset of a club, taking into concern wages, merchandise value, age, accomplishments, contract length and detail, sportive perspective, yada yada, equal to the value of your car for example.


On the current game:
The Mourinho stat in pure impressive.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
February 19 2011 21:09 GMT
#2219
OK, I understand. But can I just ask one last question, how do you give Hargreaves a value when he hasn't kicked a ball for what, 2 years? I don't even know how long. And I am pretty sure his shirt doesn't sell, and I can see in no way he is of any contribution to the team.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
February 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#2220
Does anyone on here follow Scottish football? It's pretty fast-paced and entertaining, even if the quality is complete shit when compared to England.
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