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On April 19 2015 00:08 Big G wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 10:02 BluzMan wrote:
Just finished my Roland's, Piro Marella and Drakon's.
I do 200+ mil crits at 2.8 attacks/second (with Crumble, Pound is 400 mil crits, but single target). Blizzard went a little overboard with this one I think. I'm seriously considering rerolling CHD on my gloves to All Resist because it seems like I won't be needing damage ever again, same for all items that can have any defensive stat on them. It's quite silly how little you can actually do to increase your toughness save for increasing raw HP which ain't a good way to buff toughness at all. Don't count on that, if you want to push greater rifts you're going to need much more damage. Well-geared crusaders usually crit for well over a billion vs single target  If you want more survivability, use the defensive legendary gems (Esoteric Alteration and Molten something something)
Im in Rolands/Piro/Bracers/Focus/Restraint right now. (930 sheet dps). I'm doing around 2.5 billion crits with akkan up.
With 2 pure defense legendary gems/full defensive gems. (esoteric life regen and slow aura ones)
I haven't fought anything that hasnt just dropped dead a couple hits yet.
(maybe grift 40+, but was waiting on lvl 25 on all gems before pushing it, maybe tomorrow).
Build is fun! weaving in primary skill with bashs (to keep both buffs up), aiming the bashs right, shield glare/law at right times to keep wrath up. Most fun build I've played in this game for a while. Gets really fast paced once you have the full attack speed stacked and trying to keep it stacked.
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What do you think I should gamble for here? (I have 970k dmg)
I have:
- Boots and gloves from the Roland's set
- Helm, chest armor, shoulder for the Akkhan set
- The Final Witness as an alt. shield,
- Angel Hair Braid, which look awesome, but I just can't incorporate into a normal build. Only blessed hammer seems to be a good fit with it, but no matter how I mess around, I'm always more efficent with just 0-24 slashing everybody.
- Puzzle Ring makes my head hurt, but haven't found a better ring, despite getting quite a few. I could also reroll the attack speed on it for crit chance or crit damage, but I'll wait, because if you suggest to roll a new ring, it'd be a waste.
- Maximus, but it deals less damage than this super-boring (though cool looking) Grandfather.
I know I should probably have at least one skill that uses wrath, but slash just outperforms everything with my current gear . I don't even need Iron Skin that much, and bombardbent is just for fun.
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On April 20 2015 06:21 Volband wrote:What do you think I should gamble for here? (I have 970k dmg) I have: - Boots and gloves from the Roland's set - Helm, chest armor, shoulder for the Akkhan set - The Final Witness as an alt. shield, - Angel Hair Braid, which look awesome, but I just can't incorporate into a normal build. Only blessed hammer seems to be a good fit with it, but no matter how I mess around, I'm always more efficent with just 0-24 slashing everybody. - Puzzle Ring makes my head hurt, but haven't found a better ring, despite getting quite a few. I could also reroll the attack speed on it for crit chance or crit damage, but I'll wait, because if you suggest to roll a new ring, it'd be a waste. - Maximus, but it deals less damage than this super-boring (though cool looking) Grandfather. I know I should probably have at least one skill that uses wrath, but slash just outperforms everything with my current gear . I don't even need Iron Skin that much, and bombardbent is just for fun.
There are two viable ways to build a crusader and one of them is 6-piece Roland (using Shield Bash, or, more rarely, Sweep Attack as the damage skill, with Piro Marella or Denial as the shield), the other being 6-piece Akkhan combined with lots of CDR and using some kind of skill that is too expensive to use outside of the 50% wrath cost reduction (most typically Blade of Prophecy combined with Frydehr's Wrath shield for a Condemn build, but there are also builds around Heaven's Fury and Phalanx). Furthermore, Akkhan comes with an added bonus of an almost permanent 150% armor buff from Prophet which is huge. Building an efficient crusader without a 6-piece bonus of any of those two sets is impossible, you will just feel helpless watching people breeze through T6. Sadly, there's no way to make Blessed Hammer work for a crusader just yet, at least as far as I know. Nor is there a viable way to build a crusader without any full sets. A quick look at Roland's full set bonus and you will see that on paper it multiplies your DPS by a factor of 15 (!) on full stacks. It kinda pigeonholes you into using it, but there's no way around that, anything else will be inefficient. Akkhan is close, but a bit more subtle and harder to build imo.
So, first you should set your mind on your set of choice (flavor of the month is Roland because it's new, but it's quite cool too), then your build and realize what items you need. Gambling for jewelry is highly impractical due to both the costs and the abundance of options (even if you get a legendary amulet at the ridiculous 100 shard cost, there's 19 to choose from, gl on getting the one you want). Gambling for weapons is close behind if not ahead of that in futility - the chances you get the legendary you need are extremely slim already, and it also needs to be ancient. Not that you shouldn't try, but it's better to get the easier slots covered first. So, if your expected build contains something other than jewelry/weapons, get it. Shield Bash users should gamble bracers, Condemn, Sweep Attack and Phalanx should gamble shields. There are no belts that really make crusaders jump to the next power level, so I wouldn't bother with those. The most obvious thing to gamble though is the set pieces you're missing, then, once you get them, their ancient versions. If you're reliant on CDR, take a closer look on the head slot to get the Broken Crown helm that doubles the effect of diamonds (or any other gem, but diamonds are the only gems worth it), relying on RoRG to keep the set bonus. If you're into fire damage, try to maybe gamble a Cindercoat instead of your respective set chest armor.
Also, you will probably get a significant sheet damage increase if you swap out the ruby in your weapon for an emerald.
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A question regarding my weapon, these are my two choices right now:
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The stats on the Faithful Memory are pretty great but Scourge has the explosion secondary which seems pretty op.
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omg.. wife and i decided to try a 41, we proc 3x at the zone in because of ridiculous pack at the portal and then she procs 1 more time near the end, so 4+ minutes wasted in town and we barely scrapped it by in the end with 30 sec left on peredni.
phew. that was fun to catch up after being so far behind.
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On April 20 2015 11:02 Nyxisto wrote:
A question regarding my weapon, these are my two choices right now:
The stats on the Faithful Memory are pretty great but Scourge has the explosion secondary which seems pretty op.
Scourge might be slightly better if you don't need the vitality. Both are relatively weak anyway, just keep playing and eventually you'll drop a Heart Slaughter/Maximus/Furnace/Ashbringer/IK weapon/BK set/others.
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RIP!
+ Show Spoiler +
I proc'd on my DH and my wife tried to run Orlash away from me and got cornered. Goodnight sweet prince.
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On April 20 2015 13:30 crms wrote:
omg.. wife and i decided to try a 41, we proc 3x at the zone in because of ridiculous pack at the portal and then she procs 1 more time near the end, so 4+ minutes wasted in town and we barely scrapped it by in the end with 30 sec left on peredni.
phew. that was fun to catch up after being so far behind.
What? You seriously wait in town once your safety net procs?
Might as well play softcore, Jesus...
I love HC, but the community is simply the worst. Making fun of SC players and then pulling moves like this...
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You know I had a big long response about the mechanics of D3 and the GRIFT system damage scaling that makes it essentially required to play off your passive but then I thought, why? Why would I wanna go in depth to educate an asshole who clearly doesn't know anything about the game and likely has never pushed past gr25.
I like the bit at the end though, apparently I personify the HC Community and flame SC players (despite most of my friends playing SC and never posting anything negative towards SC people).
Oh well.
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You're right, I never pushed Grifts very far (31 is the highest I dared) because I don't have the unity combo but don't pretend that there isn't a fair bit of condescension from HC players towards SC players.
And now I find out that exploiting and waiting in town is apparently normal. If you don't see how that could be a thorn in my sigh...
Oh well indeed.
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i dont want to get into this shitfest but funny enough, a friend of mine actually waits for his kool-aid pot to come back off cd if we're facing certain mobs, nevermind cheat death cd.
On April 21 2015 00:49 crms wrote:RIP! + Show Spoiler +I proc'd on my DH and my wife tried to run Orlash away from me and got cornered. Goodnight sweet prince.
orlash is such a pain to fight, everything else i can teleport out of
he's nimble, hits really fast and hard, and his one fire breathing attack is hard to avoid on some maps.
bloodmaw is also brutal in a different way
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On April 21 2015 01:44 SixStrings wrote:
You're right, I never pushed Grifts very far (31 is the highest I dared) because I don't have the unity combo but don't pretend that there isn't a fair bit of condescension from HC players towards SC players.
And now I find out that exploiting and waiting in town is apparently normal. If you don't see how that could be a thorn in my sigh...
Oh well indeed.
You absolutely don't need double unity to push higher than 31. The HC community does 'look down' on SC to a certain extent (even if I don't care how others play) but to equate procs to playing SC is absolutely ignorant.
Also how in any sense of the word is waiting for your proc in town an 'exploit'?
Fact of the matter is you have to play within the context of the game. You cannot push high level grifts without taking into account your proc timers. I play HC in every ARPG and proc timing is a lot less forgivable than alt+f4 or exit to character screen that are staples of every other ARPG.
You can hate the GRIFT scaling and the entire idea of passive proc cooldowns but to come in and flame me while being completely clueless is a pretty silly. You just look like an ass.
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On April 21 2015 02:00 andyrau wrote:i dont want to get into this shitfest but funny enough, a friend of mine actually waits for his kool-aid pot to come back off cd if we're facing certain mobs, nevermind cheat death cd. Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 00:49 crms wrote:RIP! + Show Spoiler +I proc'd on my DH and my wife tried to run Orlash away from me and got cornered. Goodnight sweet prince. orlash is such a pain to fight, everything else i can teleport out of he's nimble, hits really fast and hard, and his one fire breathing attack is hard to avoid on some maps. bloodmaw is also brutal in a different way
yeah I got hit by a completely avoidable flame breathe (stupid, horrible play ~_~) which proc'd me instantly and I ran down and she ran up to get him out of range of me. She ran into a stupid spot and I got hit by a stupid attack. Bad plays lead to death, who woulda thought? 
I'm only sad about her weapon, she had a really nice ancient IK boulder breaker, everything else can be replaced with back-ups etc.
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well tbf his flame breath attack isn't actually that easy to see when your barb is spinning on him and the sheer number of whirlwinds are impossible to see through
also fighting sandshaper with a barb in your group is actually impossible at gr 35 and beyond, and pretty hard from 28-35
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dude, you're so right. I wish they would make barb tornados 'invisible' like they do other players pets/summons/etc., that would be great. No clue if that's even possible though.
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Anyone who's not yet in T6/Grift1,000,000+ beast mode yet in EU want to party? I'd try it, but too afraid of pub games, I'm not even sure how could I customize what games I'm joining. D2 was so much easier in this regards. Also, having clans is awesome, but with the interactions being limited, it's pretty hard to meet people. In D2 you were bound to get to know a few guys from the common lobby, but now all I'm seeing is the occasional general chat pop-up with "s1 boost me pls, have key".
I'm playing in T4 and not sure yet what my Grift peak is, but it should be around 25~.
On April 20 2015 08:20 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 06:21 Volband wrote:What do you think I should gamble for here? (I have 970k dmg) I have: - Boots and gloves from the Roland's set - Helm, chest armor, shoulder for the Akkhan set - The Final Witness as an alt. shield, - Angel Hair Braid, which look awesome, but I just can't incorporate into a normal build. Only blessed hammer seems to be a good fit with it, but no matter how I mess around, I'm always more efficent with just 0-24 slashing everybody. - Puzzle Ring makes my head hurt, but haven't found a better ring, despite getting quite a few. I could also reroll the attack speed on it for crit chance or crit damage, but I'll wait, because if you suggest to roll a new ring, it'd be a waste. - Maximus, but it deals less damage than this super-boring (though cool looking) Grandfather. I know I should probably have at least one skill that uses wrath, but slash just outperforms everything with my current gear . I don't even need Iron Skin that much, and bombardbent is just for fun. There are two viable ways to build a crusader and one of them is 6-piece Roland (using Shield Bash, or, more rarely, Sweep Attack as the damage skill, with Piro Marella or Denial as the shield), the other being 6-piece Akkhan combined with lots of CDR and using some kind of skill that is too expensive to use outside of the 50% wrath cost reduction (most typically Blade of Prophecy combined with Frydehr's Wrath shield for a Condemn build, but there are also builds around Heaven's Fury and Phalanx). Furthermore, Akkhan comes with an added bonus of an almost permanent 150% armor buff from Prophet which is huge. Building an efficient crusader without a 6-piece bonus of any of those two sets is impossible, you will just feel helpless watching people breeze through T6. Sadly, there's no way to make Blessed Hammer work for a crusader just yet, at least as far as I know. Nor is there a viable way to build a crusader without any full sets. A quick look at Roland's full set bonus and you will see that on paper it multiplies your DPS by a factor of 15 (!) on full stacks. It kinda pigeonholes you into using it, but there's no way around that, anything else will be inefficient. Akkhan is close, but a bit more subtle and harder to build imo. So, first you should set your mind on your set of choice (flavor of the month is Roland because it's new, but it's quite cool too), then your build and realize what items you need. Gambling for jewelry is highly impractical due to both the costs and the abundance of options (even if you get a legendary amulet at the ridiculous 100 shard cost, there's 19 to choose from, gl on getting the one you want). Gambling for weapons is close behind if not ahead of that in futility - the chances you get the legendary you need are extremely slim already, and it also needs to be ancient. Not that you shouldn't try, but it's better to get the easier slots covered first. So, if your expected build contains something other than jewelry/weapons, get it. Shield Bash users should gamble bracers, Condemn, Sweep Attack and Phalanx should gamble shields. There are no belts that really make crusaders jump to the next power level, so I wouldn't bother with those. The most obvious thing to gamble though is the set pieces you're missing, then, once you get them, their ancient versions. If you're reliant on CDR, take a closer look on the head slot to get the Broken Crown helm that doubles the effect of diamonds (or any other gem, but diamonds are the only gems worth it), relying on RoRG to keep the set bonus. If you're into fire damage, try to maybe gamble a Cindercoat instead of your respective set chest armor. Also, you will probably get a significant sheet damage increase if you swap out the ruby in your weapon for an emerald.
Thanks! I really hoped there would be more than two viable builds, but oh well.
I'm not sure if I should keep playing grifts one level at a time, or try to make some of my lgems to 25. Higher grifts doesn't have a better legendary/set drop ratio, just more bloodshards/exp/gold, right?
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I'm pretty certain I ripped another guy with ball lightning and Sokahr the Keywarden once. Took me a while to realize why that one mob procs my passive so often. HC if dark and full of terrors.
Comparing HC procs to SC is kinda clueless. It's very easy to die after the proc (more on some classes than others though) so anyone that can proc you is very high risk. For instance, sader proc just makes him invincible and gives life on kill, but does not restore any HP, so if there's nothing to kill in the vicinity (say, you're fighting a Rift Guardian) and you can't run away in time, anything can one-shot you as soon as it wears off. Wizards get the worst with Unstable Anomaly which is so useless it's almost not worth taking.
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On April 21 2015 03:04 Volband wrote:Anyone who's not yet in T6/Grift1,000,000+ beast mode yet in EU want to party? I'd try it, but too afraid of pub games, I'm not even sure how could I customize what games I'm joining. D2 was so much easier in this regards. Also, having clans is awesome, but with the interactions being limited, it's pretty hard to meet people. In D2 you were bound to get to know a few guys from the common lobby, but now all I'm seeing is the occasional general chat pop-up with "s1 boost me pls, have key". I'm playing in T4 and not sure yet what my Grift peak is, but it should be around 25~. Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 08:20 BluzMan wrote:On April 20 2015 06:21 Volband wrote:What do you think I should gamble for here? (I have 970k dmg) I have: - Boots and gloves from the Roland's set - Helm, chest armor, shoulder for the Akkhan set - The Final Witness as an alt. shield, - Angel Hair Braid, which look awesome, but I just can't incorporate into a normal build. Only blessed hammer seems to be a good fit with it, but no matter how I mess around, I'm always more efficent with just 0-24 slashing everybody. - Puzzle Ring makes my head hurt, but haven't found a better ring, despite getting quite a few. I could also reroll the attack speed on it for crit chance or crit damage, but I'll wait, because if you suggest to roll a new ring, it'd be a waste. - Maximus, but it deals less damage than this super-boring (though cool looking) Grandfather. I know I should probably have at least one skill that uses wrath, but slash just outperforms everything with my current gear . I don't even need Iron Skin that much, and bombardbent is just for fun. There are two viable ways to build a crusader and one of them is 6-piece Roland (using Shield Bash, or, more rarely, Sweep Attack as the damage skill, with Piro Marella or Denial as the shield), the other being 6-piece Akkhan combined with lots of CDR and using some kind of skill that is too expensive to use outside of the 50% wrath cost reduction (most typically Blade of Prophecy combined with Frydehr's Wrath shield for a Condemn build, but there are also builds around Heaven's Fury and Phalanx). Furthermore, Akkhan comes with an added bonus of an almost permanent 150% armor buff from Prophet which is huge. Building an efficient crusader without a 6-piece bonus of any of those two sets is impossible, you will just feel helpless watching people breeze through T6. Sadly, there's no way to make Blessed Hammer work for a crusader just yet, at least as far as I know. Nor is there a viable way to build a crusader without any full sets. A quick look at Roland's full set bonus and you will see that on paper it multiplies your DPS by a factor of 15 (!) on full stacks. It kinda pigeonholes you into using it, but there's no way around that, anything else will be inefficient. Akkhan is close, but a bit more subtle and harder to build imo. So, first you should set your mind on your set of choice (flavor of the month is Roland because it's new, but it's quite cool too), then your build and realize what items you need. Gambling for jewelry is highly impractical due to both the costs and the abundance of options (even if you get a legendary amulet at the ridiculous 100 shard cost, there's 19 to choose from, gl on getting the one you want). Gambling for weapons is close behind if not ahead of that in futility - the chances you get the legendary you need are extremely slim already, and it also needs to be ancient. Not that you shouldn't try, but it's better to get the easier slots covered first. So, if your expected build contains something other than jewelry/weapons, get it. Shield Bash users should gamble bracers, Condemn, Sweep Attack and Phalanx should gamble shields. There are no belts that really make crusaders jump to the next power level, so I wouldn't bother with those. The most obvious thing to gamble though is the set pieces you're missing, then, once you get them, their ancient versions. If you're reliant on CDR, take a closer look on the head slot to get the Broken Crown helm that doubles the effect of diamonds (or any other gem, but diamonds are the only gems worth it), relying on RoRG to keep the set bonus. If you're into fire damage, try to maybe gamble a Cindercoat instead of your respective set chest armor. Also, you will probably get a significant sheet damage increase if you swap out the ruby in your weapon for an emerald. Thanks! I really hoped there would be more than two viable builds, but oh well. I'm not sure if I should keep playing grifts one level at a time, or try to make some of my lgems to 25. Higher grifts doesn't have a better legendary/set drop ratio, just more bloodshards/exp/gold, right?
This is the scaling table, can maybe help you figure out what grift you can complete. GR25 is a little bit easier than t6 (not much, its basically equal) and everything after gets harder according to the chart below.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 21 2015 01:44 SixStrings wrote:
You're right, I never pushed Grifts very far (31 is the highest I dared) because I don't have the unity combo but don't pretend that there isn't a fair bit of condescension from HC players towards SC players.
And now I find out that exploiting and waiting in town is apparently normal. If you don't see how that could be a thorn in my sigh...
Oh well indeed.
You're crazy if you think unity is required for pushing higher than 31 even on HC.
Crms didn't pretend there isn't condescension, he just brushed it off as crowd noise, which IMO it is, from idiots who think playing HC makes them better than the top SC players while they lose character after character pushing rifts in the 20 and 30s. Vocal majority/minority and whatnot.
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On April 21 2015 03:08 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:04 Volband wrote:Anyone who's not yet in T6/Grift1,000,000+ beast mode yet in EU want to party? I'd try it, but too afraid of pub games, I'm not even sure how could I customize what games I'm joining. D2 was so much easier in this regards. Also, having clans is awesome, but with the interactions being limited, it's pretty hard to meet people. In D2 you were bound to get to know a few guys from the common lobby, but now all I'm seeing is the occasional general chat pop-up with "s1 boost me pls, have key". I'm playing in T4 and not sure yet what my Grift peak is, but it should be around 25~. On April 20 2015 08:20 BluzMan wrote:On April 20 2015 06:21 Volband wrote:What do you think I should gamble for here? (I have 970k dmg) I have: - Boots and gloves from the Roland's set - Helm, chest armor, shoulder for the Akkhan set - The Final Witness as an alt. shield, - Angel Hair Braid, which look awesome, but I just can't incorporate into a normal build. Only blessed hammer seems to be a good fit with it, but no matter how I mess around, I'm always more efficent with just 0-24 slashing everybody. - Puzzle Ring makes my head hurt, but haven't found a better ring, despite getting quite a few. I could also reroll the attack speed on it for crit chance or crit damage, but I'll wait, because if you suggest to roll a new ring, it'd be a waste. - Maximus, but it deals less damage than this super-boring (though cool looking) Grandfather. I know I should probably have at least one skill that uses wrath, but slash just outperforms everything with my current gear . I don't even need Iron Skin that much, and bombardbent is just for fun. There are two viable ways to build a crusader and one of them is 6-piece Roland (using Shield Bash, or, more rarely, Sweep Attack as the damage skill, with Piro Marella or Denial as the shield), the other being 6-piece Akkhan combined with lots of CDR and using some kind of skill that is too expensive to use outside of the 50% wrath cost reduction (most typically Blade of Prophecy combined with Frydehr's Wrath shield for a Condemn build, but there are also builds around Heaven's Fury and Phalanx). Furthermore, Akkhan comes with an added bonus of an almost permanent 150% armor buff from Prophet which is huge. Building an efficient crusader without a 6-piece bonus of any of those two sets is impossible, you will just feel helpless watching people breeze through T6. Sadly, there's no way to make Blessed Hammer work for a crusader just yet, at least as far as I know. Nor is there a viable way to build a crusader without any full sets. A quick look at Roland's full set bonus and you will see that on paper it multiplies your DPS by a factor of 15 (!) on full stacks. It kinda pigeonholes you into using it, but there's no way around that, anything else will be inefficient. Akkhan is close, but a bit more subtle and harder to build imo. So, first you should set your mind on your set of choice (flavor of the month is Roland because it's new, but it's quite cool too), then your build and realize what items you need. Gambling for jewelry is highly impractical due to both the costs and the abundance of options (even if you get a legendary amulet at the ridiculous 100 shard cost, there's 19 to choose from, gl on getting the one you want). Gambling for weapons is close behind if not ahead of that in futility - the chances you get the legendary you need are extremely slim already, and it also needs to be ancient. Not that you shouldn't try, but it's better to get the easier slots covered first. So, if your expected build contains something other than jewelry/weapons, get it. Shield Bash users should gamble bracers, Condemn, Sweep Attack and Phalanx should gamble shields. There are no belts that really make crusaders jump to the next power level, so I wouldn't bother with those. The most obvious thing to gamble though is the set pieces you're missing, then, once you get them, their ancient versions. If you're reliant on CDR, take a closer look on the head slot to get the Broken Crown helm that doubles the effect of diamonds (or any other gem, but diamonds are the only gems worth it), relying on RoRG to keep the set bonus. If you're into fire damage, try to maybe gamble a Cindercoat instead of your respective set chest armor. Also, you will probably get a significant sheet damage increase if you swap out the ruby in your weapon for an emerald. Thanks! I really hoped there would be more than two viable builds, but oh well. I'm not sure if I should keep playing grifts one level at a time, or try to make some of my lgems to 25. Higher grifts doesn't have a better legendary/set drop ratio, just more bloodshards/exp/gold, right? This is the scaling table, can maybe help you figure out what grift you can complete. GR25 is a little bit easier than t6 (not much, its basically equal) and everything after gets harder according to the chart below. + Show Spoiler +
Just finished now, 24 it is. The guardian fight was painful, but still, it's cool to know that 25 would've been ~T6 difficulty already.
Edit: aaaaand mistakenly salvaged my Drakon's Lesson. Meh, whatever, without that ring I couldn't have used it with the roland set anyway.
Edit2: nvm, Wrist is not in the set, I'm actually retarded. *sigh*
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