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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 21 2015 04:50 GMT
#19261
On April 21 2015 13:37 kingcastles wrote:
u guys like d3? i think they should have fixed d2 better... d3 sux

so does your twitch channel, james.
TerranHwaiting
Profile Joined December 2014
Korea (North)179 Posts
April 21 2015 05:04 GMT
#19262
On April 21 2015 06:12 CygNus X-1 wrote:
Question: What is the point of gear grinding when there is no PvP?


Get better gear => do higher Grifts. But there definitly comes a point where you have your 40+ Gems and pretty solid gear and then it becomes quite boring, but thats why there are seasons.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
April 21 2015 05:26 GMT
#19263
On April 21 2015 11:36 red_ wrote:
HP is 2(1.17^x) and the Damage is 1.3*(1.131^x), you can go graph them at a ton of places online, just google 'graph calculator' or something.

Ok, so 1.85 times as much damage every 5 levels, and 2.19 as much HP. thanks.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
April 21 2015 07:26 GMT
#19264
On April 21 2015 06:16 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 06:12 CygNus X-1 wrote:
Question: What is the point of gear grinding when there is no PvP?

Greater Rift Leader Boards or Personal Progression, I suppose. I was an avid d2 pvper but I don't think that aspect of the game is ever coming back at this point. You'll find joy in what is available or you'll play something else.

That's funny thing to say. What was D2's pvp system ? Go out of the town and brawl. Hmm... Isn't it the same in D3 ?
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
April 21 2015 15:42 GMT
#19265
On April 21 2015 13:37 kingcastles wrote:
u guys like d3? i think they should have fixed d2 better... d3 sux


Actually d2 was one of the biggest disappointments I have had in gaming. D1 having 2 abilities was okay because the entire game was new and unmapped (and I loved finding scrolls)...D2 having only 2 abilities and making you change everytime you needed to do something else with a hotkey, use ability, hotkey...was just dumb. But it got even better if you wanted an aura from your character like Paladin and only had one ability to push

D3 gameplay wise is light years better than D2

People may like the D2 loot system or D2 skill system and those are valid opinions but as far as gameplay and end game challenge D3 buries D2...

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 21 2015 16:02 GMT
#19266
the d2 rune system was really cool and i'd like to see it in d3. but to change the # of sockets on items would require some core mechanic changes.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
April 21 2015 16:10 GMT
#19267
Hardcore during early Inferno days was the only way of life!

Now there's no difference between hardcore and softcore. Just derp your way through everything and never die unless disconnect
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 21 2015 16:19 GMT
#19268
On April 22 2015 01:10 Gruntt wrote:
Hardcore during early Inferno days was the only way of life!

Now there's no difference between hardcore and softcore. Just derp your way through everything and never die unless disconnect

sounds like someone who thinks torment 6 is end game.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
April 21 2015 17:10 GMT
#19269
On April 22 2015 00:42 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 13:37 kingcastles wrote:
u guys like d3? i think they should have fixed d2 better... d3 sux


Actually d2 was one of the biggest disappointments I have had in gaming. D1 having 2 abilities was okay because the entire game was new and unmapped (and I loved finding scrolls)...D2 having only 2 abilities and making you change everytime you needed to do something else with a hotkey, use ability, hotkey...was just dumb. But it got even better if you wanted an aura from your character like Paladin and only had one ability to push

D3 gameplay wise is light years better than D2

People may like the D2 loot system or D2 skill system and those are valid opinions but as far as gameplay and end game challenge D3 buries D2...



D2 had pretty shallow systems design, but even that was much much better than D3. Pretty much everything about core systems in D3 is stupid: primary stats are stupid for everything but class and vitality being useless, armor and resistances are stupid for being the same stat and individual resistances not making any difference, skill runes were completely useless until RoS where they finally realized you should buff different damage types separately, but still having 6 variations of every damn skill is the largest waste of programmer/artist effort I've yet to see in a game. The socket system (until legendaries) is stupid for having 20'ish variations of gems noone ever uses and even at the top level it's very shallow too (should I get strength or intelligence for my barbarian, hmm....). Don't even get me started on items and trade, it's very bad too, and after making several steps in the right direction in RoS they're making it worse again with sets destroying any build diversity.

When I soloed Hell with a single-player sorc in diablo 2, I had 8 active skills that I used. On ladder that would be more with CtA and other skill-granting items. Yeah, only 4 of them were not buffs (teleport, chain lightning, static charge and frozen orb), but please take a look at your typical wizard (pre torment-sets) - familiar, force armor, magic weapon, teleport and two skills you use to do damage. Doesn't that sound abit similar? I actually had more active damage skills in D2 and teleport wasn't a half-assed "use once in 15 seconds" escape tool, but a full-power spell. D3 has an easier and better interface to access your active skills, but that's it.

D3 is the best game for core gameplay - the way you click your mouse and make stuff blow up is executed perfectly, characters look gorgeous, blood and pieces everywhere. The endgame is meh, group PvP might have been better, but it's ok I guess. That's why I ultimately prefer D3 to PoE or any other ARPG. But in the systems design aspects it has much to learn from other games, D2 included.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
April 21 2015 23:22 GMT
#19270
I could never get into D2's online aspect. It was extremely fun as a noob, but once I learned about the keys and whatnot, it became somewhat obnoxious. I think D3 is more user-, or maybe just noob-friendly, because I feel rewarded and lucky pretty fast into the whole gearing up stage.

I also hated PvP, and how random people joined even low lvl games just to PK.

Yesterday though, after reading the post on reddit complaining about the unfairness of group vs solo play, I joined pub bounty games to see myself what was all the fuss about. Well, I got such retarded amount of xp (compared to playing solo) that I almost forgot to be happy for my two RoRGs, which I did not really work for, really, but got them anyway.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 21 2015 23:35 GMT
#19271
group vs. solo play is ridiculous. even alkaizer is playing in groups now because of the advantage of groups. its not more challenging, its just more rewarding. i wish they would make it more even so that we dont have to join groups.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 00:17:02
April 22 2015 00:13 GMT
#19272
So I'm doing a nephalelm rift right now, I've got rolled a desert map (nighttime, I suppose it's more of an oasis) and at the pond area, there are like ~50 different treasure/gem/etc. goblins. I don't even know which one to chase, haha. How rare is it? I've been on this map before during a nephalem run, but it did not occur back then.

Edit: The whole map is full with yellow, green and silver goblins. Wow.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21904 Posts
April 22 2015 00:36 GMT
#19273
On April 22 2015 09:13 Volband wrote:
So I'm doing a nephalelm rift right now, I've got rolled a desert map (nighttime, I suppose it's more of an oasis) and at the pond area, there are like ~50 different treasure/gem/etc. goblins. I don't even know which one to chase, haha. How rare is it? I've been on this map before during a nephalem run, but it did not occur back then.

Edit: The whole map is full with yellow, green and silver goblins. Wow.

Every level of a rift gets a random selection of mobs on it, one of the possible (tho very rare) chances is that one of the random mobs types is treasure goblins.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
April 22 2015 00:53 GMT
#19274
On April 22 2015 09:36 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 09:13 Volband wrote:
So I'm doing a nephalelm rift right now, I've got rolled a desert map (nighttime, I suppose it's more of an oasis) and at the pond area, there are like ~50 different treasure/gem/etc. goblins. I don't even know which one to chase, haha. How rare is it? I've been on this map before during a nephalem run, but it did not occur back then.

Edit: The whole map is full with yellow, green and silver goblins. Wow.

Every level of a rift gets a random selection of mobs on it, one of the possible (tho very rare) chances is that one of the random mobs types is treasure goblins.


I've never seen more than like 12 goblins in a pack...

There is actually a chance to have a rift with just mass goblins? hmmm

Weird
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 22 2015 01:46 GMT
#19275
wtf is this shit blizzard
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

my body's flying but it used to be an inch to left of the twister
apparently there's two arcane tornadoes here but you just can't see the other one that killed me, i was just about to move too
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 22 2015 01:50 GMT
#19276
On April 22 2015 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
group vs. solo play is ridiculous. even alkaizer is playing in groups now because of the advantage of groups. its not more challenging, its just more rewarding. i wish they would make it more even so that we dont have to join groups.

yea it's pretty sad
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
April 22 2015 02:24 GMT
#19277
On April 22 2015 09:53 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 09:36 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 22 2015 09:13 Volband wrote:
So I'm doing a nephalelm rift right now, I've got rolled a desert map (nighttime, I suppose it's more of an oasis) and at the pond area, there are like ~50 different treasure/gem/etc. goblins. I don't even know which one to chase, haha. How rare is it? I've been on this map before during a nephalem run, but it did not occur back then.

Edit: The whole map is full with yellow, green and silver goblins. Wow.

Every level of a rift gets a random selection of mobs on it, one of the possible (tho very rare) chances is that one of the random mobs types is treasure goblins.


I've never seen more than like 12 goblins in a pack...

There is actually a chance to have a rift with just mass goblins? hmmm

Weird

It was something like that, but these packs were together in a line. I chased one pack, then found another one. And another one. And... They eventually stopped.

I was like mom, get the camera! the only screen I took
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
April 22 2015 03:23 GMT
#19278
On April 22 2015 10:46 andyrau wrote:
wtf is this shit blizzard
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

my body's flying but it used to be an inch to left of the twister
apparently there's two arcane tornadoes here but you just can't see the other one that killed me, i was just about to move too

Why are you hiding inside the rocks? Come up from there, you're just being silly. You're not a mole, and you don't even have a shovel!
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 22 2015 04:38 GMT
#19279
my body is actually flying away from where my mouse cursor is
apparently there's an invisible arcane twister there that glitched out ty blizz
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 17:51:10
April 22 2015 17:45 GMT
#19280
andyrau RIP

dat survival bonus though! lols.


I should be on tonight if you need/want a PL.

I need to figure out how to farm in d3 and play MKX at the same time. Too many games and free time at an all time low while trying to buy a house. The struggle ;_;


On April 22 2015 08:35 dAPhREAk wrote:
group vs. solo play is ridiculous. even alkaizer is playing in groups now because of the advantage of groups. its not more challenging, its just more rewarding. i wish they would make it more even so that we dont have to join groups.



yep, I've actually stopped playing solo this season (even though I prefer it a lot of the time). If I'm doing speed t6 rifts, I'll force myself to join a public game just to have the group buffs.

I mostly play solo or with 1 or 2 friends, never knew enough HC d3 players to make consistent 4 man farming groups. :{
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