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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
July 04 2012 17:47 GMT
#13101
So I`ve already stopped playing this game and will never play it again. Guess I should just put a bot on and maybe recoup my investment through gold farming? Getting banned from playing this snorefest is fiiiiine by me.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
July 04 2012 18:06 GMT
#13102
On July 05 2012 02:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 02:14 Zocat wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:40 udgnim wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:34 oneofthem wrote:
blizz is caught between a rock and a hard place here, because of the hugely diverging income between casuals and serious players and they are choosing wrong in balancing the game based on the latter.


link talks about what Blizzard does to botters and how banning botters in waves is profitable for Blizzard: http://daeity.blogspot.com/2010/08/blizzard-loves-botters.html

so Blizzard bans accounts and not IP addresses or MAC addresses (which can still be get around but the more annoying to get around the better)

I've basically stopped playing D3 because the only thing to do is farm and honestly imo the best farming method right now is gold farming because item values keep dropping unless you hit the jackpot and find an amazing statted item. so if the best farm method is gold farming, then I'm competing against bots which farm far better and I don't want to play like a human gold farming bot so I quit.

I honestly thought that the RMAH would make Blizzard be much more responsive to botting, but their anti-bot measures are no where close to adequate.


Have you ever played an online game in the past ten years without bots? They exist because they're impossible to stop, not because companies are lazy about doing things about them.


They exist because the ban-wave strategy is bad.

Just some random numbers:
The first Diablo banwave was ~3 weeks after the game was released. With pot bashing bots could easily do 500k/hour.
Let's say the bot needed 7 days to level to 60
Still 24*14 = 336 hours of botting. So 168 million of gold.
Is selling those 168million worth a 60$ account? Yes.

And if you use the same (public) bot again on your next account - it will only be banned when the next banwave is happening. So again enough time to make a profit.
There's 0 financial risk involved when botting, since the account is save until the next banwave.


So you're suggesting blizzard has a team of ninjas that 1984 people playing games to make sure they don't bot or something? If somebody figured out a feasible way to deal with bots in the past ten years you wouldn't see every online game in the entire world infested with bots. There isn't some conspiracy where blizzard is allowing bots to exist because they make profit off them.


I suggest that if they flag an account for banning they just ban the account immediately and not when the next banwave happens.
I also only commented that there ban-wave strategy is bad - I dont know why you suddenly have the need to mention conspiracy theories about Blizz's profit.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
July 04 2012 18:15 GMT
#13103
On July 05 2012 02:47 Grend wrote:
So I`ve already stopped playing this game and will never play it again. Guess I should just put a bot on and maybe recoup my investment through gold farming? Getting banned from playing this snorefest is fiiiiine by me.


No, you shouldn't. Botting isn't cool, you know?
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 18:39:17
July 04 2012 18:35 GMT
#13104
On July 05 2012 03:06 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 02:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 05 2012 02:14 Zocat wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:40 udgnim wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:34 oneofthem wrote:
blizz is caught between a rock and a hard place here, because of the hugely diverging income between casuals and serious players and they are choosing wrong in balancing the game based on the latter.


link talks about what Blizzard does to botters and how banning botters in waves is profitable for Blizzard: http://daeity.blogspot.com/2010/08/blizzard-loves-botters.html

so Blizzard bans accounts and not IP addresses or MAC addresses (which can still be get around but the more annoying to get around the better)

I've basically stopped playing D3 because the only thing to do is farm and honestly imo the best farming method right now is gold farming because item values keep dropping unless you hit the jackpot and find an amazing statted item. so if the best farm method is gold farming, then I'm competing against bots which farm far better and I don't want to play like a human gold farming bot so I quit.

I honestly thought that the RMAH would make Blizzard be much more responsive to botting, but their anti-bot measures are no where close to adequate.


Have you ever played an online game in the past ten years without bots? They exist because they're impossible to stop, not because companies are lazy about doing things about them.


They exist because the ban-wave strategy is bad.

Just some random numbers:
The first Diablo banwave was ~3 weeks after the game was released. With pot bashing bots could easily do 500k/hour.
Let's say the bot needed 7 days to level to 60
Still 24*14 = 336 hours of botting. So 168 million of gold.
Is selling those 168million worth a 60$ account? Yes.

And if you use the same (public) bot again on your next account - it will only be banned when the next banwave is happening. So again enough time to make a profit.
There's 0 financial risk involved when botting, since the account is save until the next banwave.


So you're suggesting blizzard has a team of ninjas that 1984 people playing games to make sure they don't bot or something? If somebody figured out a feasible way to deal with bots in the past ten years you wouldn't see every online game in the entire world infested with bots. There isn't some conspiracy where blizzard is allowing bots to exist because they make profit off them.


I suggest that if they flag an account for banning they just ban the account immediately and not when the next banwave happens.
I also only commented that there ban-wave strategy is bad - I dont know why you suddenly have the need to mention conspiracy theories about Blizz's profit.


Because the article that was originally posted that I was replying to is a conspiracy theory.

I don't think ban waves are an effective means either, but there isn't a better option out there.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 04 2012 20:57 GMT
#13105
Botting is just dragging up more gold which is fine because economy is relativistic. Adding more gold to the economy causes the dollar per gold to drop but who cares because itll get easier to acquire said gold as well.

So botting is not really hurting the game though there are some pretty good act 1 bots I think. Which is a real problem.
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KingOfAmerica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 21:05:29
July 04 2012 21:05 GMT
#13106
On July 05 2012 02:02 wwiv wrote:
has anyone noticed that act 3 drops are bad again after tuesday's maintenance?


I've seen a decline in the amount of level 63's in act 3, but I've only done a handful of runs since yesterday morning so it isn't statistically significant.

However it finally seems like Act 2 is dropping like they advertised. After they "buffed" the ilvl63 drop rate to 8% in act 2, I got 4.1% lvl63 in my next 500 rares in Act 2. That is a pretty large sample size. But over the last 10 runs or so I have gotten an appropriate amount.

Over the last week I will say that I have seen notable decline in the % of lvl 63 weapons vs armor. It used to be comparable, now I get about 4 Archon pieces or other lvl63 armor for every 63 weapon. I track my drops meticulously in a spreadsheet, so I am pretty sure there was an adjustment made. Anyone else notice this?
The nukes gonna land on his aarrrrmmmmyyy AHHHHH
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 05 2012 00:31 GMT
#13107
On July 05 2012 06:05 KingOfAmerica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 02:02 wwiv wrote:
has anyone noticed that act 3 drops are bad again after tuesday's maintenance?


I've seen a decline in the amount of level 63's in act 3, but I've only done a handful of runs since yesterday morning so it isn't statistically significant.

However it finally seems like Act 2 is dropping like they advertised. After they "buffed" the ilvl63 drop rate to 8% in act 2, I got 4.1% lvl63 in my next 500 rares in Act 2. That is a pretty large sample size. But over the last 10 runs or so I have gotten an appropriate amount.

Over the last week I will say that I have seen notable decline in the % of lvl 63 weapons vs armor. It used to be comparable, now I get about 4 Archon pieces or other lvl63 armor for every 63 weapon. I track my drops meticulously in a spreadsheet, so I am pretty sure there was an adjustment made. Anyone else notice this?

Wow you actually bother to track your drops with such detail.... I just farm away and go "fuck, crude archon armor again".
=Þ
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 05 2012 00:35 GMT
#13108
On July 05 2012 05:57 Medrea wrote:
Botting is just dragging up more gold which is fine because economy is relativistic. Adding more gold to the economy causes the dollar per gold to drop but who cares because itll get easier to acquire said gold as well.

So botting is not really hurting the game though there are some pretty good act 1 bots I think. Which is a real problem.


wouldn't that imply that gold AH will inflate drastically due to low value of gold?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
clazerxsniper
Profile Joined August 2011
36 Posts
July 05 2012 01:07 GMT
#13109
can anyone help me unlock act 3-4 hell? got really bored of clearing it. send me a message on here if you want to help i can give you gold i have about 10k
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
July 05 2012 01:11 GMT
#13110
On July 05 2012 02:02 wwiv wrote:
has anyone noticed that act 3 drops are bad again after tuesday's maintenance?

I noticed a huge decrease in act II, something like -40% lv62-63 items. I mean, it could be bad luck but in the last 10 hours of play (20+ elites per hour, plus goblins/chests) I found a dozen of barely sellable items.

klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 03:38:21
July 05 2012 03:36 GMT
#13111
I just tracked an act 2 run to see how I'm doing (didn't bother recording item lvls however) I was able to swap to 307 MF successfully on 27 packs, belial, and kulle. For the other kills I was at 75% mf (from valor)

2.5 hours exactly
37 packs killed
1 belial killed
1 kulle killed
3 goblins killed
4 resplendant chests found
88 rares obtained.

2 items that i'll try and sell on the ah, but I don't expect more than a million per. The rest was garbage. =(
high master protoss - low master zerg
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
July 05 2012 05:26 GMT
#13112
been doing act3 runs last 2 days, seems the same to me. Farmed like hundreds of rares.
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
July 05 2012 07:34 GMT
#13113
On July 05 2012 02:47 Grend wrote:
So I`ve already stopped playing this game and will never play it again. Guess I should just put a bot on and maybe recoup my investment through gold farming? Getting banned from playing this snorefest is fiiiiine by me.

i would lol if they ban your whole b.net account
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
July 05 2012 07:35 GMT
#13114
On July 05 2012 14:26 TheMango wrote:
been doing act3 runs last 2 days, seems the same to me. Farmed like hundreds of rares.

hundreds of rares really isn't shit, did you get anything worth more then 100k ? :p
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 07:46:33
July 05 2012 07:38 GMT
#13115
People kinda forget that even if theres the same amount of drops as before, its just harder to get stuff worth something because the market is getting flooded with "ok"ish items. Soon after release I could still sell blues with high rolled mainstat+average vit roll for a few 100k's. That just wont happen now. Even the old descent rares are becoming so common its almost pointless to sell.

I noticed that when I reached 60 on my 2nd char too. I was very surprised how good items I could get for it even though I only spent 100-200k on each slot mostly. Adding a weapon for 500k-1M, that stuff carried me easily into Act3 Inferno. Theres so much average stuff out there so you need really good stuff to sell for lots of gold.
Skillver
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria1309 Posts
July 05 2012 07:39 GMT
#13116
On July 05 2012 16:34 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 02:47 Grend wrote:
So I`ve already stopped playing this game and will never play it again. Guess I should just put a bot on and maybe recoup my investment through gold farming? Getting banned from playing this snorefest is fiiiiine by me.

i would lol if they ban your whole b.net account


They don't do that...
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
July 05 2012 07:47 GMT
#13117
On July 05 2012 16:35 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 14:26 TheMango wrote:
been doing act3 runs last 2 days, seems the same to me. Farmed like hundreds of rares.

hundreds of rares really isn't shit, did you get anything worth more then 100k ? :p


I mentioned the hundreds of rares to state what my sample size was. What I meant was, the % of ilvl 63's was in line with what I was getting before. I probably got a stash tab full of stuff worth selling.
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
July 05 2012 07:55 GMT
#13118
Its random how good the items turn out. The game doenst recognise you put alot of effort into your day and rewards you with a nice ilvl63 ring with perfect stats. IF that was how it went, I wouldnt be playing anymore. People need to stop complaining about something random.

Its random, get over it.
KCCO!
Brockster
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany82 Posts
July 05 2012 08:21 GMT
#13119
anyone else having huge problems on EU? i cant open games, i cant search the AH, it logs me out every 10min or so. really annoying, i need to auction some stuff
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
July 05 2012 16:07 GMT
#13120
any1 can help in setting up the authenticator for mobile which is used for RMAH?

i downloaded the itunes and what do i do afterwards? where to get that blizzard apps ?
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