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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 08 2015 18:50 GMT
#20301
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.

yeah that was for hellfire exploit not botting
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 08 2015 18:51 GMT
#20302
On October 09 2015 03:40 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.


they banned him for exploiting not botting afaik


And how would they detect bots? By scanning your computer, I mean every game out there right now has issues with 3rd party software. Some exploits are stupidly easy for them to detect, especially something like the Hellfire bug and bloodshard bug. But third party software is trickier depending on how it's written.

Things like Turbohub are basically impossible for Warden (as restricted by court order) to detect as an example.

I know being online for ridiculous hours is a pretty big red flag, but how is that proof that someone's botting? It's not nearly enough for the standards Blizzard likely has to use for the slim chance it leads to legal action.

Also, in Heroes a bunch of people recently got banned for using a specific gfx card, that's just bad PR / CS =p. So I understand why they have to tread carefully even if there aren't legal issues to be worried about.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 08 2015 18:59 GMT
#20303
On October 09 2015 03:51 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 03:40 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.


they banned him for exploiting not botting afaik


And how would they detect bots? By scanning your computer, I mean every game out there right now has issues with 3rd party software. Some exploits are stupidly easy for them to detect, especially something like the Hellfire bug and bloodshard bug. But third party software is trickier depending on how it's written.

Things like Turbohub are basically impossible for Warden (as restricted by court order) to detect as an example.

I know being online for ridiculous hours is a pretty big red flag, but how is that proof that someone's botting? It's not nearly enough for the standards Blizzard likely has to use for the slim chance it leads to legal action.

Also, in Heroes a bunch of people recently got banned for using a specific gfx card, that's just bad PR / CS =p. So I understand why they have to tread carefully even if there aren't legal issues to be worried about.


well having 20+ per day is easy to detect. unless someone sleeping for 4 hours per day from the start of the season till now is a real possibility. i mean just look at gabynator, he is at 1389 right now after being banned, i dont know how much evidence you really need there.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 08 2015 19:07 GMT
#20304
I didn't say it was hard to detect, just that all it gives you is implication. It's not proof that they're botting especially not in an era of 24 hour streams regularly happening.

They could be online that long for non-bot reasons too, sure a lot of those reasons are against ToS, but if you can't identify which term of service their violating then can you really ban them (not to mention the outside change it was legit)?

If somehow everyone fessed up when they were banned Blizz could just do that with impunity, but that's not the world we live in and they have to justify what they do and justify it accurately.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 08 2015 19:09 GMT
#20305
On October 09 2015 03:50 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.

yeah that was for hellfire exploit not botting

any actual source on this because there was rampant speculation, but i never saw that it was shown the reason for it.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 19:19:08
October 08 2015 19:15 GMT
#20306
On October 09 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 03:50 Frolossus wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.

yeah that was for hellfire exploit not botting

any actual source on this because there was rampant speculation, but i never saw that it was shown the reason for it.


im sure it was cause he posted blizzards email and it said it was hellfire exploit.

dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 19:20:45
October 08 2015 19:18 GMT
#20307
On October 09 2015 04:15 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:50 Frolossus wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.

yeah that was for hellfire exploit not botting

any actual source on this because there was rampant speculation, but i never saw that it was shown the reason for it.


im sure it was cause he posted blizzards email and it said it was hellfire exploit. googled gabynator blizzard email lol

http://i.imgur.com/tAhVZ7R.jpg


isnt that mannercookie?

gabynator's twitch claims he never used the exploit:

http://www.twitch.tv/gabynator/v/18349403
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 19:31:20
October 08 2015 19:22 GMT
#20308
On October 09 2015 04:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2015 04:15 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 04:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:50 Frolossus wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
On October 09 2015 03:37 zev318 wrote:
On October 09 2015 00:55 Wuster wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:48 Jer99 wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 08 2015 19:43 Jer99 wrote:
Why they took out trading I'll never know, what a stupid decision that was

because of bot farming


Perhaps their failure of warden is to blame for that


Warden failed because it breached a bunch of privacy laws and Blizzard lost a big lawsuit over that. I don't blame them for that and while I would like cheaters out of my games, I understand the 'bigger picture' principles at stake there.


more like blizzard wont do shit to botters anyways. there are literally people with 20+hr play time per day and blizzard doesnt ban them

they just did a ban wave, including Gabynator--a well known streamer.

yeah that was for hellfire exploit not botting

any actual source on this because there was rampant speculation, but i never saw that it was shown the reason for it.


im sure it was cause he posted blizzards email and it said it was hellfire exploit. googled gabynator blizzard email lol

http://i.imgur.com/tAhVZ7R.jpg


isnt that mannercookie?


ya but im really sure that gaby showed the email afterwards on his stream. probably cant find it through his vods cause he deleted it, im sure. i mean he deleted his entire vod to when he got banned on sept 23.

and everything i can google from that banwave on the 23rd all say it was only HFA exploit

http://www.ros-bot.com/forums/general-discussion/banned-hf-exploit-208988

everyone in there says that they used HFA exploit and got banned

http://i.imgur.com/8YUHPDs.png

that is his ticket trying to get it reversed
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 08 2015 19:31 GMT
#20309
same people said that alkaizerx was banned. hell, there was even a "news" announcement of it. anyways, it doesnt matter.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 08 2015 19:35 GMT
#20310
On October 09 2015 04:31 dAPhREAk wrote:
same people said that alkaizerx was banned. hell, there was even a "news" announcement of it. anyways, it doesnt matter.


who, that ryker guy or whatever? i heard that on quin's stream lol, everyone was laughing cause he clearly got trolled by a joke.
DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
October 08 2015 23:07 GMT
#20311
It's <Liquid> Team Liquid, right?
I believe I applied to the correct one on US, would like an accept!

"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
October 08 2015 23:26 GMT
#20312
On October 09 2015 08:07 DuB phool wrote:
It's <Liquid> Team Liquid, right?
I believe I applied to the correct one on US, would like an accept!


correct.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
October 09 2015 13:59 GMT
#20313
Do you have an active EU clan as well?
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
October 09 2015 15:37 GMT
#20314
With a generator build I just cleared a Gr45 in 5:06. Before that i cleared it in 6+. I think i have cleared it in 4+ to. Reaching the 5+min mark feels bad. Not sure what my average is, will probably clear a few now in a row with this build i have.
RnG is RnG to, but at average what time do ppl clear Gr45?

http://d3resource.com/difficulties.png

Thats an difficulty overview that says what kind of droprate there is on T6 etc. Not 100% accurate.
According to that overview, farming TX is not the effecient way to get legendaries. At the same time, at GR44+ blizzard increased the "loot from boss".
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
October 09 2015 15:51 GMT
#20315
On October 10 2015 00:37 Foxxan wrote:
According to that overview, farming TX is not the effecient way to get legendaries.

Well, it all depends on the speed and ease you can clear it, is it not? Why would yo go on a lower torment level, when you can wreck TX?

Except for bounties, of course.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6174 Posts
October 09 2015 15:52 GMT
#20316
On October 10 2015 00:37 Foxxan wrote:
With a generator build I just cleared a Gr45 in 5:06. Before that i cleared it in 6+. I think i have cleared it in 4+ to. Reaching the 5+min mark feels bad. Not sure what my average is, will probably clear a few now in a row with this build i have.
RnG is RnG to, but at average what time do ppl clear Gr45?

http://d3resource.com/difficulties.png

Thats an difficulty overview that says what kind of droprate there is on T6 etc. Not 100% accurate.
According to that overview, farming TX is not the effecient way to get legendaries. At the same time, at GR44+ blizzard increased the "loot from boss".

who the hell put a dot between hundred and thousand T_T

nice graph tough.
n_n
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
October 12 2015 16:28 GMT
#20317
On October 10 2015 00:51 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2015 00:37 Foxxan wrote:
According to that overview, farming TX is not the effecient way to get legendaries.

Well, it all depends on the speed and ease you can clear it, is it not? Why would yo go on a lower torment level, when you can wreck TX?

Except for bounties, of course.

deponds how u mean with wrecking

I can clear T8 at average 2,3minute with my WW barb. I think average for TX is about 4.5min.
My math isnt good but lets say these numbers are absolute and we look at that graph, which is faster for legandaries?
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
October 12 2015 17:29 GMT
#20318
Doing HC 45 with my new crusader....who got very lucky and somehow crafted a 2900~ johannas -_-
http://tw.battle.net/d3/zh/profile/Thanatos-1507/hero/50631905

Running F+R (justice) + sacred harness. Toughness only clocking at 17mil no buffs so Im ridiculously squishy at the moment. Thankfully I havent even had the chance to pop either passives in GR, only had a heart stopping 10 seconds where my hp remained empty and no cd on potion.

Hopefully this one wont die prematurely like my two barbs
Stop procrastinating
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 18:34:43
October 12 2015 18:32 GMT
#20319
finally placed on the leaderboards, boys.

rank 803 - grift lvl 66 on the solo monk leaderboards at 14:51

i still have a ton of items to upgrade/optimize too. looking forward to breaking into lvl 67 real soon

oh and i didnt get a conduit pylon during that run either
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
October 12 2015 22:28 GMT
#20320
whats better, conduit pylon or power pylon?
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