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On October 18 2010 04:35 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 04:20 Cofo wrote:
I made a quake account on a whim last night and it's been a ton of fun so far. I seem to be getting most of it down (minus the deep strategy/timing/map stuff, of course), though I'm having some trouble learning to strafe jump. I assume it's something that just comes with time and practice, but any beginner tips? First of all, it takes a lot of time. But some tips. Circle jumping is most important. If you start out slow it will take a while to be able to gain speed. There are plenty of youtube tuts. Use mouse 2 for jump. It might take a little while to get used to, but trust me. Its almost impossible to get really good at strafe jumping using spacebar.Basic strafing is just just angling your aim to the side while jumping and hitting forwards and the movement key corresponding with the direction you are facing. So if you're jumping forwards and you're angled to the right, you'll want to be holding down the forward button and right strafe button. If you stay on the same side, you'll start drifting to that side, so to jump straight you have to switch which side you're "aiming" at. Gaining max possible speed and keeping control of everything takes a lot of time and practice. Add me in QL if you need any help with anything, my name is the same as it is here.
Hoooooly shit binding mouse 2 to jump helps so fucking much!
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Use mouse 2 for jump. It might take a little while to get used to, but trust me. Its almost impossible to get really good at strafe jumping using spacebar.
Tell that to Toxjq. Or any oldschool quaker for that matter 
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He said almost impossible, not impossible :D
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On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D
It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles.
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Also there are plenty of pros who use spacebar, the only one I've heard of using right click for jump is Fox but I don't follow the scene as much as I used to. I tried right click and it was difficult, but I only briefly used it.
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I think the reason mouse 2 is perhaps easier to get a hang of is because there is no tendency to hold it down. You just click. With the space bar, it's very easy to keep it held down in the air, which (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) is worse for acceleration.
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Just bought pro, JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW HOW HAPPY I AM, I can make a clan for teamliquid lol, SHOULD I DO THAT??
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On October 19 2010 09:54 Cofo wrote:
I think the reason mouse 2 is perhaps easier to get a hang of is because there is no tendency to hold it down. You just click. With the space bar, it's very easy to keep it held down in the air, which (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) is worse for acceleration.
Why would it be, you just have to hit it some time before you hit the ground\as soon as you hit the ground, that's all. But hey, it's a a taste thing, if you feel like it's harder to release the button then maybe it's harder to release and then press it at times too. Also depends on the keyboard
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such nonsense that you cant get good with spacebar.. wtf. having jump on mouse is for noobs tbh! j/k i know a lot of good players have that, but its only cos of old habits
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On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles.
Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way.
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On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way.
Its the other way around bro..
Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming.
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On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:
Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming.
This. Toxjq, for example, even had the +fire button bound to his c key IIRC so he'd have the least amount of work possible with the right hand fingers. I think he has +forward and +backward keys on his mouse But again, some of the greatest players play with mouse 2, so I'll repeat myself again, it depends on hardware, but it's mostly habits, you can make almost everything work.
One advantage of the mouse 2 jump bind is rocketjumping, way easier. If this hasn't been mentioned yet ^^
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On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way. Its the other way around bro.. Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming.
Seeing as you how rarely jump in close range fights in quake, this post is nonsense.
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On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way. Its the other way around bro.. Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming.
While my history might be wrong, seeing I never played Q2 or 3, my opinion I stand by. Almost all the defrag guys I know of use mouse 2. And they are the strafe jump kings not, the "pros". Heck, most of the current "pros" are pretty bad at defrag, the only exception really being walter, who isn't really a pro, but he's right at the lower pro levels.
I'm not saying mouse 2 is "better" in a way. I'm saying it's easier to learn than using spacebar. I know this for a fact. I followed/helped out in a massive strafe-jumping thread in the Ql forums for a while, and almost all the n00bs coming in that had problems strafe jumping...almost to a man used spacebar to jump, and as soon as they switched, they got the hang of it almost immediately.
Using spacebar might technically be better, but that doesn't mean its hard.
Heck, I'm a lefty, and use a right-handed mouse, and as such, use my forefinger to hit mouse1 and 2. And I rarely have problems with moving and shooting. I do keep spacebar bound for those times when I have to lg/etc when jumping though.
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On November 06 2010 01:45 Nebula wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way. Its the other way around bro.. Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming. Seeing as you how rarely jump in close range fights in quake, this post is nonsense.
lies
seriously, nothing to add.
Oh and mouse 2 might be easier to lear. I don't think it's THAT much harder tho.
Almost all the defrag guys I know of use mouse 2. And they are the strafe jump kings not, the "pros".
Are you sure about that?
Overall, yeah, but around the competitive maps, I don't really think they are. And it probably has to do with the fact that it's easier to rj that way more
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On November 08 2010 22:29 son1dow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 01:45 Nebula wrote:On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way. Its the other way around bro.. Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming. Seeing as you how rarely jump in close range fights in quake, this post is nonsense. lies seriously, nothing to add. Oh and mouse 2 might be easier to lear. I don't think it's THAT much harder tho. Show nested quote +Almost all the defrag guys I know of use mouse 2. And they are the strafe jump kings not, the "pros". Are you sure about that? Overall, yeah, but around the competitive maps, I don't really think they are. And it probably has to do with the fact that it's easier to rj that way more
I am sure about the defrag scene. Sure a few random people use spacebar, but virtually every good defragger uses mouse 2 due to it being much easier to hit perfect rjs.
And it really is much easier to use mouse 2 when you think about it.
When you're strafing, you're almost always holding down two other buttons on your keyboard, and alternating two of the buttons. Then you add another button you have to hit around the same time you switch the other buttons. Compared to just swinging your mouse around and clicking mouse two at spaced intervals while leaving your other hand to do the keyboard movement.
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OK I just played for the first time since the update about 2 weeks ago, the new jumping mechanics feel so weird, I feel like I'm floating and sliding all over the place.
It seems really odd and a little inappropriate to just randomly change them now.
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On November 09 2010 01:46 Sm3agol wrote:
I am sure about the defrag scene. Sure a few random people use spacebar, but virtually every good defragger uses mouse 2 due to it being much easier to hit perfect rjs.
And it really is much easier to use mouse 2 when you think about it.
When you're strafing, you're almost always holding down two other buttons on your keyboard, and alternating two of the buttons. Then you add another button you have to hit around the same time you switch the other buttons. Compared to just swinging your mouse around and clicking mouse two at spaced intervals while leaving your other hand to do the keyboard movement.
Oh I'm sorry for being so cloudy about this, I meant to ask if you were sure that they're actually better at movement in competitive maps, as I believe it to be false. And I totally agree on why the defraggers are actually using mouse 2, as I stated earlier.
Personally, I've used mouse 2 since almost the beginning of my quake play, but I haven't had trouble with using spacebar back when I tried warsow (by default, mouse 2 is dash\a few other tricks there and it's comfier that way).
Anyway, do any new players have any questions to ask? ESR's a bit too much of a troll-cave to just walk in and ask around, or at least looks so at first glance (although the trolls are truly fluffy as you will notice if you get to know them). I'm sure someone can answer them and it's a tricky game, so don't be afraid to ask.
Edit: ZapRoffo, you ever plaid q2 or any other deathmatch game with doublejumps? These chainjumps aren't really the same (read: you gain speed instead of height at the doublejump IIRC) but it's a good idea what we're in for, but in a smaller scale ofc. There was a vid somewhere, I might be able to find it sometime later.
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So I've been playing duel exlusivly for quite some time in QL but this weekend we were a bunch of friends that joined a FFA game and hooooly shitballs, it's like a completely diffrent game. I'm used to stacking up and then attacking, but man FFA.... There's people fucking everywhere and sometime by chanse everyone is in the same place at the same time, I was stressed out of my mind :D
But man is LG and shotgun good in FFA, it's like "run... keep fire pressed, just move your mouse a little bit too each side, frag." And quad is seriously OP, I got atleast 15 frags per quadrun.
Still fun thought when you're a bunch of friends that just wants to play for fun.
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On November 08 2010 22:29 son1dow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 01:45 Nebula wrote:On November 05 2010 05:58 bbsss wrote:On November 05 2010 05:03 Sm3agol wrote:On October 19 2010 03:11 son1dow wrote:On October 19 2010 03:06 Julmust wrote:
He said almost impossible, not impossible :D It's still nonsense. Configuration is pure preference in Quake, and it also helps to build different playstyles. Nonsense. I struggled for almost a month learning to strafe jump using spacebar, and this is coming from a HEAVY FPS background, where every single jump was spacebar. I switched to mouse 2 and bam, I was good in a couple days. The only reason some pros use spacebar is because they were more or less forced to back in the day, and almost all the pros are old-school Quake III'ers, so most of them learned that way. Its the other way around bro.. Mouse2 +jump dates back to quake2. Spacebar is considered to be better because the mouse is used for aiming, which needs to be as accurate as possible. Using your aiming hand for a task like jumping is counter-intuitive and messes with your fingers in a non consistent way (like pressing mouse1) while firing and aiming. Seeing as you how rarely jump in close range fights in quake, this post is nonsense. lies seriously, nothing to add. Oh and mouse 2 might be easier to lear. I don't think it's THAT much harder tho. Show nested quote +Almost all the defrag guys I know of use mouse 2. And they are the strafe jump kings not, the "pros". Are you sure about that? Overall, yeah, but around the competitive maps, I don't really think they are. And it probably has to do with the fact that it's easier to rj that way more
I'm pretty sure defrag pros move better than duel/tdm pros on pretty much any map
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