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CCow
Germany335 Posts
Basically it scales a lot from 1 to 2 GPUs, but then looks like it growth logarithmically at best. : ] Looking forward to future announcements. They kind of hinted that they might work on a single-machine version, so we could actually get "our own" AlphaGo at some point. :D | ||
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
She had close access to Lee Sedol and offered some really interesting reflections of the moves from him after each game. | ||
micronesia
United States24795 Posts
I think I'm starting to get good enough now where it is actually worthwhile for me to study some of the more common joseki, but I'm not 100% sure I will do it... we'll see. I have been doing some life or death problems which I know, in theory, is very helpful. For whatever reason I seem to be much better at solving the problems when they provided to me in isolation than I am at applying what I learned into real games. I suppose playing more games will help with that. I'm also forcing myself to be a bit more flexible with time controls. I used to only play long games because I didn't like to feel rushed. This time around I'm doing somewhat shorter games, and while it's frustrating at times, I'm also seeing it help me against slower opponents, so I can't really complain. For perspective, I used to only play 30 minutes + 5 x 30 seconds, but now I'm also doing 20 minutes + 5 x 20 seconds (for many players I'm sure that's considered slow as well). The funniest thing is how I'm slowly marching my way towards actually being a good player, and even when I reach low single-digit-kyu I still will not know how to play go on a real-life board or be able to score without the computer helping me  | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
For joseki there are 2 proverbs that go together: memorize joseki to get weaker and study joseki to get stronger. If you just memorize the moves, you will be confused when people stray from joseki. If you know why move x is played in the sequence, you can properly benefit from your opponent's mistake or decide to go out of joseki yourself because it is actually benefical for the whole board situation. Time settings should just be what you're comfortable with, imo. I know people who play exclusively 10s blitz games, but their fundamentals are just awful, because they rely on their opponent not finding the proper refutation for their overplays in time. That's not true for everyone of course, but you see it a lot in blitz games. It's also a matter of practice, when my reading was best I could read several variations out in 10s, so a blitz player is not automatically a sloppy player. I think learning how to count in a game is more important than knowing how to move stones on a real board to make scoring easier, but that probably depends on whether or not you play a lot of real board games. Counting definitely isn't very important until you reach dan level. I don't play very often on KGS or Tygem anymore, but I always have about 5 simultanous games on DGS and watch a lot of professional games. I also spend a significant amount of my go time on creating and fixing problems for goproblems.com | ||
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micronesia
United States24795 Posts
How do you study joseki? Obviously I can look up joseki and read the little tidbits associated, but I think what you are suggesting is more involved than that. Keep in mind I'm probably not at a point where I'm really going to go that far out of my way right now, but it would be good to know. | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S9aJFNm.jpg) What is the purpose of each move? 1 is a standard move to make territory in the corner, because if Black gets to play again, he can make an enclosure at 3, 4, 2 or 6. 2 is a standard approaching move with emphasis on influence (4th line). 3 attaches to a single stone, that means both sides will get stronger locally, it also starts the sequence that gives Black solid corner territory. 4 is touching back and as a general rule you should always respond to an attachment directly. 4 stops Black from further extending along the top and reduces the liberties of 3, leading to 5 draws back to give Black a solid shape, which also leaves a cutting point at 6, so White defends. After 6 the Black shape has a weakpoint, so he defends that. 8 makes a base for the White stones, the position is now about equal. Black gained territory and White got a stable group to limit Black's expansion from the corner. If you are aware of the purpose of every move, you know why it is ok/not ok to omit it. For example if Black tenuki at 7, White can enclose Black and gain a lot of influence, because Black didn't defend the weakpoint in his shape. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MyjszFm.jpg) This may actually be good for Black, if playing on top is super important and White won't be able to use the influence he gains here. | ||
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micronesia
United States24795 Posts
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
A good starting point are joseki dictionaries, they contain these explanations and some continuations. josekipedia.com has a lot of variations, you can also watch lectures by stronger players who explain these things. I learned a lot from gocommentary.com, a mistake in this particular joseki is explained in this video http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/how-to-punish-overplay-03.html My teacher reviewed a lot of Shusaku games (another go proverb is "study the shusaku fuseki") and explained the more basic concepts for kyu players https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS1Sn1wo0vB3da6Mlnpfl1fyDJUeypt09 | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
Considering the rise of other Go programms (Zen, various chinese programs and the mysterious "GodMoves"), the future of Go seems to take an interesting turn. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Ilovekatrina
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If any of you guys want a teaching game on KGS, I'll happily give it. I'm 1kyu so I can teach from "don't know the rules" to 4 kyu. Drop me a message there my nickname is maggrig. | ||
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Akara12345
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
https://deepmind.com/blog/exploring-mysteries-alphago/ | ||
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
https://events.google.com/alphago2017/ | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12249 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
The game is way too complex for me to understand haha | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
Ke Jie stuck with a game plan of taking early territory, but ended up losing quite a bit on the top corner from a white reduction move. He then tried to reduce the center, but it wasn't enough for him to win the game. As expected, AlphaGo made passive plays that simplified the board state and played loose endgame moves that didn't really maximize the points it wins by. The game isn't as close as the final score suggests. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
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