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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-13 20:42:19
March 13 2016 19:29 GMT
#381
[image loading]

For anyone who was curious, the message that AlphaGo displays on the screen when it resigns is, "AlphaGo resigns" and "The result 'W+resign' was added to the game information."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11965 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-13 20:37:02
March 13 2016 20:36 GMT
#382
On March 14 2016 04:29 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

For anyone who was curious, the message that AlphaGo displays on the screen when it resigns is, "AlphaGo resigns" and "The result 'Weresign' was added to the game information."


Minor correction:
"The result 'W + Resign' was added to the game information."

For white win by black resigning.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 13 2016 21:09 GMT
#383
alphago lost? interesting
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
JeffKim
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Korea (South)36 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-13 22:54:54
March 13 2016 22:54 GMT
#384
On March 14 2016 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
alphago lost? interesting
Once. It won other times.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 13 2016 22:59 GMT
#385
On March 14 2016 07:54 JeffKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 06:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
alphago lost? interesting
Once. It won other times.

Yes i know, i just thought this might be a 5:0
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 14 2016 01:49 GMT
#386
Even though it started as a 3-0, if this series ends up 3-2 it certainly means alphago needs more practice before it can be considered best in the world, right? I'm going to bet lee sedong has lost best of fives before
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
March 14 2016 02:51 GMT
#387
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-14 03:05:58
March 14 2016 03:01 GMT
#388
On March 14 2016 11:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program

All that would mean is AlphaGo would go back into its Hyperbolic time chamber for a little longer to improve some more.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 14 2016 03:29 GMT
#389
Double or nothing bo7!!
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strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
March 14 2016 06:59 GMT
#390
A true comeback game. The commentators pretty much wrote Lee off until the "Hand of God" White 78 move. I actually stopped watching because I thought it was a sure defeat.

I'm glad he got one. No question that going up against 1200 CPUs is no small feat. Hopefully he can pull out some more God moves in the next one.
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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
March 14 2016 14:43 GMT
#391
Alphago is now on the ranking board:

http://www.goratings.org/
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 14 2016 16:01 GMT
#392
On March 14 2016 23:43 Glacierz wrote:
Alphago is now on the ranking board:

http://www.goratings.org/

Was Sedol first before he lost to a "newcomer"?
Not that Elo matters for the pros (i would assume) but that would suck nonetheless ^^
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 14 2016 17:25 GMT
#393
On March 15 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 23:43 Glacierz wrote:
Alphago is now on the ranking board:

http://www.goratings.org/

Was Sedol first before he lost to a "newcomer"?
Not that Elo matters for the pros (i would assume) but that would suck nonetheless ^^


No, he wasn't. But this list is nothing official anyway (but made by a french programmer) and I wouldn't bet on Lee Sedol even knowing it
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
March 14 2016 18:05 GMT
#394
On March 15 2016 01:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 23:43 Glacierz wrote:
Alphago is now on the ranking board:

http://www.goratings.org/

Was Sedol first before he lost to a "newcomer"?
Not that Elo matters for the pros (i would assume) but that would suck nonetheless ^^

sedol was rank 3 before this
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 14 2016 19:21 GMT
#395
On March 14 2016 23:43 Glacierz wrote:
Alphago is now on the ranking board:

http://www.goratings.org/


haha oh god
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meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
March 15 2016 00:10 GMT
#396
On March 14 2016 11:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program


I think it's likely for Lee Sedol to win game 5 as well. The match is inherently imbalanced as the commentators once said. Alphago has been trained on existing matches, including those from Lee Sedol. But this version of Alphago has never been shown before.
Be excellent to each other.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 15 2016 01:08 GMT
#397
What's interesting is that this is a frozen state of AlphaGo, meaning he is not learning/improving between matches.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
March 15 2016 01:17 GMT
#398
On March 15 2016 09:10 meatpudding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 11:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program


I think it's likely for Lee Sedol to win game 5 as well. The match is inherently imbalanced as the commentators once said. Alphago has been trained on existing matches, including those from Lee Sedol. But this version of Alphago has never been shown before.


They mentioned in the press conference that all of the games that AlphaGo used to train were amateur matches pulled from online Go sites. No professional games, by Lee Sedol or otherwise, were included in its learning database.
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meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
March 15 2016 04:12 GMT
#399
On March 15 2016 10:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 09:10 meatpudding wrote:
On March 14 2016 11:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program


I think it's likely for Lee Sedol to win game 5 as well. The match is inherently imbalanced as the commentators once said. Alphago has been trained on existing matches, including those from Lee Sedol. But this version of Alphago has never been shown before.


They mentioned in the press conference that all of the games that AlphaGo used to train were amateur matches pulled from online Go sites. No professional games, by Lee Sedol or otherwise, were included in its learning database.


I was under the impression that the network was trained with ancient traditional games, online games as well as professional games. But I don't know for sure.

From the abstract of the Nature article,
These deep neural networks are trained by a novel combination of supervised learning from human expert games, and reinforcement learning from games of self-play.


I would be interested to find out which games it has used to train on. If it really didn't use any 9-dan games then that's really impressive to reach the level that it has.
Be excellent to each other.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 15 2016 04:19 GMT
#400
On March 15 2016 13:12 meatpudding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 10:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On March 15 2016 09:10 meatpudding wrote:
On March 14 2016 11:51 evilfatsh1t wrote:
if lee sedol wins the next game i would think that if you turned this into a best of 7 lee sedol would comeback to win 3-4.
successive wins from lee sedol could mean he noticed some patterns within the program


I think it's likely for Lee Sedol to win game 5 as well. The match is inherently imbalanced as the commentators once said. Alphago has been trained on existing matches, including those from Lee Sedol. But this version of Alphago has never been shown before.


They mentioned in the press conference that all of the games that AlphaGo used to train were amateur matches pulled from online Go sites. No professional games, by Lee Sedol or otherwise, were included in its learning database.


I was under the impression that the network was trained with ancient traditional games, online games as well as professional games. But I don't know for sure.

From the abstract of the Nature article,
Show nested quote +
These deep neural networks are trained by a novel combination of supervised learning from human expert games, and reinforcement learning from games of self-play.


I would be interested to find out which games it has used to train on. If it really didn't use any 9-dan games then that's really impressive to reach the level that it has.


They used a very large database of KGS 4d-9d games.
Can I now say that I was part of Alphagos development, because some of my games were in that database? :D
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