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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:40 emucxg wrote: Wickd is not good imho... I mean compared to US top players (koreans, chinese) Wickd is not good period. No game sense, retarded builds on most characters and his voice is annoying. CLG recieved like a 50$ offer on their paypal to prevent him from streaming. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
we need teamliquid fighting in next major tournament imo | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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Brambled
United States750 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
it's way easier to carry playing tf (global ult champ carry) jungle (map control ganks on retards) and most mid carries then it is playing sidelane support. you'll get out of 1200 eventually if you're good, it'll balance out people who complain that they can't get out of elo hell are bad | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Everyone that has it set to auto-join and has some funky name, just leave and join "LiquidParty" which is case sensitive. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
Only part I disagree on really is playing to a role in lower elos. It HAS been awhile since I had to do the climb to a higher elo and I had some consistent duo q partners with dyrus, reginald, and ryzer so maybe things were different then but my hella farm in jungle with olaf into autowin plan seemed to work alright. Aside from that I feel if you are truly above those elo levels then I would suggest focusing on always having a solo or jungle (jungles that scale well into late game preferably ww, olaf). While playing a role sounds good on paper I just have no way of trusting those players to play their role. I'd rather not be in a duo lane where my contribution to the teamfights and general flow of the game are the lowest. In most cases where I do hear people complain about they are stuck in their elo it's generally them just feeling above what they actually are. Especially after how much of this you see in the general forums I find it pretty hard to sympathize. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:05 shawster wrote: i'd have to agree with faust somewhat it's way easier to carry playing tf (global ult champ carry) jungle (map control ganks on retards) and most mid carries then it is playing sidelane support. you'll get out of 1200 eventually if you're good, it'll balance out Junglers and carries have always been the best ladder climbers, my 2 cents after having fallen to 1200 and not playing in the last 2 weeks is that in the lower ranks teams will actually lack tanks and junglers more often than not, and again the one real big problem about the lower ranks is that it's extremely easy to snowball down thanks to mentally incapable teammates a la "YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER" (i swear to god it happened). Also it would be interesting if we listed our "bane" champs, those that we do NOT want to see on our team even if they're not generally considered beyond all hopes (so no eve and trynd, too easy). Mine is Taric. I swear to god, as Sion what he does I do better and I actually kill our targets too. Waste of a duo-lane char 99% of the times. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler + T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler + Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it. Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell): 1: Exhaust, Ghost 2: Flash, Ignite 3: Ralley, Heal depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity start to discuse guys also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore... people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher... these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler... i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity... this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see Change log: -Morgana moved down in tier 3 -Poppy moved down in tier 3 -Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3 -Nunu moved to tier 1 -Olaf moved to top of tier 1 -Twitch moved to tier 4 -Ashe moved to not viable | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
the players here rage pretty hard at the slightest mistake, and positioning is a made-up word at this elo i foolishly gave up fb mid to their vladimir (i'm not gonna lie, he pulled a pretty sneaky move on me that i was NOT expecting, i totally got baited into it thinking it was ME who would get fb; we were both at < 350 health at level 2 and i had a stun ready. i moved to stun him and when the projectile was in the air, he flashed towards me dodging the Q, pooled to dodge the W, and ignited for the kill. i smiled at how clever it was) and even though i recovered and mid-game was 5-1 with double anyone else's CS, i was still bitched at by our MF who accused me of feeding vlad to the point of unkillability. her build was all armor pen + armor reduction. she had bruta->last whisper->cleaver->ghostblade. i told her to drop the last whisper for starks cause she had an inefficient build and she countered with "okay pro. don't forget i need attack speed nab." she also refused to join the team in teamfights (preferring to push solo or engage alistar 1v1) saying and i quote: "fuck the team you're all feeders" our warwick started in the jungle with *no* items, still couldn't complete his madreds until about 30 minutes after i forced team to grab baron, three of us went back to buy while the other two decided to make use of the buff and charge into their team 2v5 at their tower. good times! can't wait to see what's in store another 100 elo lower! | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote: http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737 Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler + T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler + Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it. Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell): 1: Exhaust, Ghost 2: Flash, Ignite 3: Ralley, Heal depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity start to discuse guys also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore... people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher... these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler... i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity... this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see Change log: -Morgana moved down in tier 3 -Poppy moved down in tier 3 -Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3 -Nunu moved to tier 1 -Olaf moved to top of tier 1 -Twitch moved to tier 4 -Ashe moved to not viable akali? interesting | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:20 mrgerry wrote: I agree with most of what Faust has to say and it's kind of sad some of the responses against it are actually proving his point lol. Only part I disagree on really is playing to a role in lower elos. It HAS been awhile since I had to do the climb to a higher elo and I had some consistent duo q partners with dyrus, reginald, and ryzer so maybe things were different then but my hella farm in jungle with olaf into autowin plan seemed to work alright. Aside from that I feel if you are truly above those elo levels then I would suggest focusing on always having a solo or jungle (jungles that scale well into late game preferably ww, olaf). While playing a role sounds good on paper I just have no way of trusting those players to play their role. I'd rather not be in a duo lane where my contribution to the teamfights and general flow of the game are the lowest. In most cases where I do hear people complain about they are stuck in their elo it's generally them just feeling above what they actually are. Especially after how much of this you see in the general forums I find it pretty hard to sympathize. Agreed. The fact is most people suck as this game (well, at most games actually) but have this weird delusion that they are in fact much better then they actually are. Assuming you are not one of these people then in order to climb your way out of the ranks of suckage and into the upper echelons of "kinda sorta halfway decent" you must play a role in your team which will have the greatest effect on the game (thus allowing your alleged higher skill to gave a greater impact, theoretically improving your chances of winning). These roles include: Jungler, Mid, and 1v2 guy. If you can consistently (<-- key word) perform these roles within your team then you will eventually reach a point where you are playing with those "kinda sorta halfway decent" players and at that point in time your skill (both as an individual, and as a team player) will matter the most. You can consider your pains in the lower ranks as an initiation into the competitive scene, similar to hell week for pledges in frats, you can bitch and moan all you want but until you actually suck it up and do it you won't be welcome here. These trials also offer you an opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the game. For example, your (now somewhat extensive) experiences as a jungler, mid, and 1v2 guy will improve your awareness of the game and its timings, similar to practicing a BO in SC. The knowledge you gain here will help you understand and better assist your team. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I also think Shaco's tier 1 | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
Jungle akali is really underrated since most ppl don't have the needed rune page but akali always being MIA and being able to get her rylai's in peace is a nightmare to their solo lanes. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
 Jungle Morde is really fast FYI | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:27 ghen wrote: http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=39737 Yohachhin's jungle tier list Tier 1: Olaf, Rammus, Udyr, Amumu, Akali, Warwick, Nunu Tier 2: Shaco, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Sona, Gragas, Nasus, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Shen Tier 3: Mordekaiser, Malphite, Sion, Pantheon, Cho'gath, Kayle, Karthus, Poppy, Ezreal, Jax, Singed, Morgana Tier 4: Mundo, Evelyn, Heimerdinger, Janna, Twitch, Urgot, Miss Fortune, Vladimir, Kog'maw, Kennen, Annie Not viable for jungling: Garen, Ryze, Blitzcrank, Corki, Anivia, Galio, Zilean, Veigar, Tristana, Teemo, Nidalee, Katarina, Kassadin, Gangplank, Ashe, Taric, Soraka, Malzahar + Show Spoiler + T1: These champions have to jungle...they can jungle really fast due to their attacks, but they also have alot of survivability and abilities to gank. With the buffs on the map they can simply do everything, spam, farm, push. With smite they can easily kill the dragon early and farm it often. T2: Same as T1 but mostly these champions have a little bit less survivability or damage or gankability. All around recommended for jungling. T3: These champion proved to do good in jungling, but aren't really recommended, just if a single lane really is needed. They have the needed abilities but they need a little bit more skill to be jungled. T4: These champions have the ability to jungle, not as well as the T1-T3 champs but mostly they will suceed, these champions lack of killing the dragon but are still able to kill the golems and lizards alot of times. These champions aren't able to reach level 6 as fast as other champions but still they are able to keep up with the double lane. + Show Spoiler + Smite is welcome in most cases and therefore it is recommended to use it. Here is the jungler summoner spells tier list (as secondary spell): 1: Exhaust, Ghost 2: Flash, Ignite 3: Ralley, Heal depending on endgame people may use teleport/clarity start to discuse guys also ADDED: this list is mostly my opinion about jungling, some champions are better at laning which gives them lesser points...champions who really can jungle and do it better than laning like warwick and udyr are positioned high therefore... people use some champ frequently for the jungle which makes him put higher... these are points which i count in...as for example why olaf isnt tier 1 is just becouse 5 champions at tier one are good each other but olaf is just 1% worser than the others which makes him put down...still he is "leading" tier 2 which makes his role as "big daddy" of the common jungler... i like to hear other opinions...but mostly this reflects my opinion + viability and competivity... this can be updated daily...weekly...we will see Change log: -Morgana moved down in tier 3 -Poppy moved down in tier 3 -Mordekaiser moved up to tier 3 -Nunu moved to tier 1 -Olaf moved to top of tier 1 -Twitch moved to tier 4 -Ashe moved to not viable Sona can jungle? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 23 2010 08:24 r33k wrote: Junglers and carries have always been the best ladder climbers, my 2 cents after having fallen to 1200 and not playing in the last 2 weeks is that in the lower ranks teams will actually lack tanks and junglers more often than not, and again the one real big problem about the lower ranks is that it's extremely easy to snowball down thanks to mentally incapable teammates a la "YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER" (i swear to god it happened). Also it would be interesting if we listed our "bane" champs, those that we do NOT want to see on our team even if they're not generally considered beyond all hopes (so no eve and trynd, too easy). Mine is Taric. I swear to god, as Sion what he does I do better and I actually kill our targets too. Waste of a duo-lane char 99% of the times. Twitch and Yi usually theres an 80% chance or better they will end up with malady before the game ends | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Contrary to what Phreak says, Sona can deal a good deal of damage with Q and W heals for enough to keep going | ||
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Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
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