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If anyone wants to listen to a piece of advice in this topic, listen to this.
You're all bad. And if you think you're good, you aren't one to make that decision.
Mistakes don't come from just one cause. You don't "lose" a game just because a Twisted Fate goes 0-3 in the first 5 minutes, although it sure as fuck contributes. I've read that people advise the way to climb ranked solo is to play a carry. Also, I see people saying that they always lose because of their bad teammates. I'm sure there is going to be variance, and over a sample size, you might lose more games than you actually should. But if you put in the volume and you still are losing all these games because "of those fucking unlucky shitbag teammates" then something is wrong. What is wrong? You are wrong.
Welcome to the Dunning–Kruger effect.
People make bad decisions, it happens. In fact I love pointing out people's mistakes all the time. But then I learned to shut the fuck up and watch for my own mistakes. I'm not going to improve by calling my Sion a useless shitfag. Nor am I going to get better by staring at the team Tryndamere constantly tower dive and get fucked to an 0-11 end score. But instead if you play your part and do what your role has to do, you won't end up looking like an asshole moron. To you it appears that your teammates are bad. But the second you start blaming your teammates because you overextend for the poor Tristana trying to steal their red and they get a double kill - you are the one that looks like a complete and total retard.
Most of the time spent playing games with people on Teamliquid is pleasant, but I don't know what it is with the League of Legend SC players that make them rage and feel like they are above all others like no other game. The truth is, people see how you play. They see your k/d/a and ELO. No matter how much you insult other people or think otherwise, you'll always be a reflection of numbers to people. And your attitude just insinuates it even more. So just forget about how good you think you are. Forget about how bad your teammates are. Focus on teamwork and focus on playing your role. Don't pick Kayle just because you want to "climb the ELO with an easy carry". Because, as funny as this sounds, it really doesn't work if you're the 4th or 5th pick and you guys don't have a tank or jungler. Then we all get to sit indian style while reading this topic about people complaining how bad their team sucks and how they'll never get past 1500 ELO because of how unlucky they are, when in reality all you needed to do was pick that fucking Taric or Janna and eat your god damn pride.
This isn't a rant because I just had an unpleasant experience with a Teamliquid member.
This is just from months of experiences and reading this topic, the previous topic, and all the input liquidparty had. I never really said much but now you pretty much know why. How hard is it to grow up for some of you?
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2010 05:31 SCC-Faust wrote:
If anyone wants to listen to a piece of advice in this topic, listen to this.
You're all bad. And if you think you're good, you aren't one to make that decision.
Mistakes don't come from just one cause. You don't "lose" a game just because a Twisted Fate goes 0-3 in the first 5 minutes, although it sure as fuck contributes. I've read that people advise the way to climb ranked solo is to play a carry. Also, I see people saying that they always lose because of their bad teammates. I'm sure there is going to be variance, and over a sample size, you might lose more games than you actually should. But if you put in the volume and you still are losing all these games because "of those fucking unlucky shitbag teammates" then something is wrong. What is wrong? You are wrong.
Welcome to the Dunning–Kruger effect.
People make bad decisions, it happens. In fact I love pointing out people's mistakes all the time. But then I learned to shut the fuck up and watch for my own mistakes. I'm not going to improve by calling my Sion a useless shitfag. Nor am I going to get better by staring at the team Tryndamere constantly tower dive and get fucked to an 0-11 end score. But instead if you play your part and do what your role has to do, you won't end up looking like an asshole moron. To you it appears that your teammates are bad. But the second you start blaming your teammates because you overextend for the poor Tristana trying to steal their red and they get a double kill - you are the one that looks like a complete and total retard.
Most of the time spent playing games with people on Teamliquid is pleasant, but I don't know what it is with the League of Legend SC players that make them rage and feel like they are above all others like no other game. The truth is, people see how you play. They see your k/d/a and ELO. No matter how much you insult other people or think otherwise, you'll always be a reflection of numbers to people. And your attitude just insinuates it even more. So just forget about how good you think you are. Forget about how bad your teammates are. Focus on teamwork and focus on playing your role. Don't pick Kayle just because you want to "climb the ELO with an easy carry". Because, as funny as this sounds, it really doesn't work if you're the 4th or 5th pick and you guys don't have a tank or jungler. Then we all get to sit indian style while reading this topic about people complaining how bad their team sucks and how they'll never get past 1500 ELO because of how unlucky they are, when in reality all you needed to do was pick that fucking Taric or Janna and eat your god damn pride.
This isn't a rant because I just had an unpleasant experience with a Teamliquid member.
This is just from months of experiences and reading this topic, the previous topic, and all the input liquidparty had. I never really said much but now you pretty much know why. How hard is it to grow up for some of you?
Shoulda posted it in the LoL forum as well, alot of players in general could benefit from hearing this.
alot. Personally I complain ALOT when I am in a grumpy mood, and when I am in a good mood I'll be fucking around if my team is losing somewhat hard.
Still I cant feel like I am helpless going 9-2-19 as blitz, having more kills than the guy with second most kills, and 6 more assists than the guy with the second most of those.
and 6 less death than them all atleast, you cant help but feel a little alone.
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On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen  What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him
ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta...
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On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta...
Doesnt beat AP teemo
DART DFG IGNITE IN UR FACE!
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On September 23 2010 05:31 SCC-Faust wrote:
Don't pick Kayle just because you want to "climb the ELO with an easy carry". Because, as funny as this sounds, it really doesn't work if you're the 4th or 5th pick and you guys don't have a tank or jungler. Then we all get to sit indian style while reading this topic about people complaining how bad their team sucks and how they'll never get past 1500 ELO because of how unlucky they are, when in reality all you needed to do was pick that fucking Taric or Janna and eat your god damn pride.
Actually, if you actually belong in a higher elo cloud, then it definitely behooves you to pick a carry, because you'll dominate so hard that you'll skip through everything. Now, if you pick a carry and you're not winning, obv you don't belong in a higher cloud. 
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@Faust's post, lol honestly you wouldn't see this kind of shit happen in real life mostly.
People wouldn't go around cussing people out in a game of pickup basketball because their teammates made a mistake. Especially if those teammates were strangers.
There's no psychological consequence to the actions people make online. The actions they make online has no consequence to themselves or their real life interactions. This in turn leads to people raging hard at teammates they'll never see again.
This makes the internet such a dick place.
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On September 23 2010 05:45 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... Doesnt beat AP teemo DART DFG IGNITE IN UR FACE!
The best part of AP teemo is when there's a half-dozen shrooms layered on top of each other and your carry walks on them and dies because they didn't build MR.
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On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta...
I've been meaning to try that, thanks for the reminder.
TBH I think Shen's problems could be solved by 1. reducing all his skill costs by 5-10 energy and 2. reworking Ki Strike's cd reduction. Like: "6 second CD, attacking/using a skill/getting hit by an enemy champ reduces CD by 1 second."
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On September 23 2010 05:46 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:45 Iplaythings wrote:On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... Doesnt beat AP teemo DART DFG IGNITE IN UR FACE! The best part of AP teemo is when there's a half-dozen shrooms layered on top of each other and your carry walks on them and dies because they didn't build MR.
Yeah hahaha, seriously though, AP Teemo with DFG and HGB = fucking pimp burst, and somewhat sustained damage :D
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On September 23 2010 05:46 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:45 Iplaythings wrote:On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... Doesnt beat AP teemo DART DFG IGNITE IN UR FACE! The best part of AP teemo is when there's a half-dozen shrooms layered on top of each other and your carry walks on them and dies because they didn't build MR.
They don't stack, FYI. Just one instance of it.
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Hmm it seems like I'm no in the "LiquidParty" chat anymore. Was there some kind of mix up?
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i think scc faust is wrong
unless you have some MONSTER teamfight team (i won a 3v5 with galio/amumu/pirate once), the game is decided in the laning phase. honestly. here's how it works in my experience
there's 3 lanes and a jungle. you need to win at least 2 of those to have a fighting shot at winning the game. you take solo top: your mid gives up first blood and gets zoned from level 2, your bottom pushes the tower too hard and gets double ganked by their jungler, your jungler waits til level 6 to gank without buffs and fails the gank. you can go 5-0 in that lane and you'll still lose the game because you lost 2 lanes and the jungle.
you take the jungle. before you even grab red and get a chance to gank, your bottom lane tries to towerdive kayle and she ends up with a double kill. mid lane is pushed too far for you to gank, and you can't find their jungler until he pops up top and ganks your lane. you can grab dragon every 7 minutes and steal his buffs for the rest of the game, *it won't matter* you "lost" all 3 lanes
these things happen *frequently* at low levels (1100-1300), and there's nothing you can do about it. most players don't know how to slow a snowballing team that gets a tower and a double kill and then just proceeds to take both of the other outer towers while your team shits themselves in terror and bitches to each other. while i agree completely that bitching at your team doesn't help at all, NOT bitching doesn't help either, because bad players will always make the same mistakes over and over
i had more typed but i'm looking like a ranting dick so i will just stop
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On September 23 2010 05:30 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:26 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 05:14 Mogwai wrote:
I'm away for that weekend -_- Do you... do you even care oh mister Pantsman? yea, cuz that's how I'd be able to dick around with Akali and Mal and Poppy for a weekend.
Dicking around with Mal remains one of my favorite things to do when I need to blow off steam
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On September 23 2010 05:49 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:46 Niton wrote:On September 23 2010 05:45 Iplaythings wrote:On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... Doesnt beat AP teemo DART DFG IGNITE IN UR FACE! The best part of AP teemo is when there's a half-dozen shrooms layered on top of each other and your carry walks on them and dies because they didn't build MR. They don't stack, FYI. Just one instance of it.
I'd say they need an initial damage component then, but given that i've already seen people get owned by shroom trains, I don't think i'd like that very much.
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On September 23 2010 05:47 myopia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... I've been meaning to try that, thanks for the reminder. TBH I think Shen's problems could be solved by 1. reducing all his skill costs by 5-10 energy and 2. reworking Ki Strike's cd reduction. Like: "6 second CD, attacking/using a skill/getting hit by an enemy champ reduces CD by 1 second."
You just have to get En5 runes. All problems solved.
Uhhh, I just saw EU as online, logged in, and suddenly I had this box where it prompte me to create a new summoner name? WTF? Closed and restarted launcher, busy again...
Also, some guy named Wickd is streaming on HSGG's stream. Yeah I know he does that sometimes. How good is he supposed to be? Don't know anything him, and seeing the builds of some players there makes me doubt that he's on HSGG's level or even close.
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On September 23 2010 06:06 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2010 05:47 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 05:41 UniversalSnip wrote:On September 23 2010 04:12 myopia wrote:On September 23 2010 04:06 Southlight wrote:On September 23 2010 04:01 myopia wrote:I just want some new way to play Shen What're you doing at the moment? I built him: 8/21/1 mpen/mresplvl/mresplvl/hp cloth armor + hpots/ward (not jungling) hog hog merc sunfire/fon/sunfire/randuins in some order. I do OK with this setup but feel like there's something wrong whenever I play him ap shen. Don't forget guinsoo's. It's the most hilarious shit... almost like playing kass actually, you're really hard to kill because your shield scales hard and is spammable, and you can poke endlessly. You even have a movement skill! sorta... I've been meaning to try that, thanks for the reminder. TBH I think Shen's problems could be solved by 1. reducing all his skill costs by 5-10 energy and 2. reworking Ki Strike's cd reduction. Like: "6 second CD, attacking/using a skill/getting hit by an enemy champ reduces CD by 1 second." You just have to get En5 runes. All problems solved.
I am the number 1 advocate for energy runes in this thread, and I can say from experience that they aren't enough to solve Shen's energy problems. That and Shen needs his runepage for additional tankage.
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It's "liquidparty" on EU ... I just managed to join it and as expected got great help by fellow TLnetizens, but now the game died again. Oh well.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2010 05:31 SCC-Faust wrote:
If anyone wants to listen to a piece of advice in this topic, listen to this.
You're all bad. And if you think you're good, you aren't one to make that decision.
Mistakes don't come from just one cause. You don't "lose" a game just because a Twisted Fate goes 0-3 in the first 5 minutes, although it sure as fuck contributes. I've read that people advise the way to climb ranked solo is to play a carry. Also, I see people saying that they always lose because of their bad teammates. I'm sure there is going to be variance, and over a sample size, you might lose more games than you actually should. But if you put in the volume and you still are losing all these games because "of those fucking unlucky shitbag teammates" then something is wrong. What is wrong? You are wrong.
Welcome to the Dunning–Kruger effect.
People make bad decisions, it happens. In fact I love pointing out people's mistakes all the time. But then I learned to shut the fuck up and watch for my own mistakes. I'm not going to improve by calling my Sion a useless shitfag. Nor am I going to get better by staring at the team Tryndamere constantly tower dive and get fucked to an 0-11 end score. But instead if you play your part and do what your role has to do, you won't end up looking like an asshole moron. To you it appears that your teammates are bad. But the second you start blaming your teammates because you overextend for the poor Tristana trying to steal their red and they get a double kill - you are the one that looks like a complete and total retard.
Most of the time spent playing games with people on Teamliquid is pleasant, but I don't know what it is with the League of Legend SC players that make them rage and feel like they are above all others like no other game. The truth is, people see how you play. They see your k/d/a and ELO. No matter how much you insult other people or think otherwise, you'll always be a reflection of numbers to people. And your attitude just insinuates it even more. So just forget about how good you think you are. Forget about how bad your teammates are. Focus on teamwork and focus on playing your role. Don't pick Kayle just because you want to "climb the ELO with an easy carry". Because, as funny as this sounds, it really doesn't work if you're the 4th or 5th pick and you guys don't have a tank or jungler. Then we all get to sit indian style while reading this topic about people complaining how bad their team sucks and how they'll never get past 1500 ELO because of how unlucky they are, when in reality all you needed to do was pick that fucking Taric or Janna and eat your god damn pride.
This isn't a rant because I just had an unpleasant experience with a Teamliquid member.
This is just from months of experiences and reading this topic, the previous topic, and all the input liquidparty had. I never really said much but now you pretty much know why. How hard is it to grow up for some of you?
dota/LoL/HoN players always have the holier than thou attitude. A lot of this also comes from the nature of the game. These moba games are one of the more competitive team-oriented games out there and the games are usually at least 30-40 minutes long so when you lose, you just wasted 40 minutes of your time and effort.
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On September 23 2010 05:31 SCC-Faust wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If anyone wants to listen to a piece of advice in this topic, listen to this.
You're all bad. And if you think you're good, you aren't one to make that decision.
Mistakes don't come from just one cause. You don't "lose" a game just because a Twisted Fate goes 0-3 in the first 5 minutes, although it sure as fuck contributes. I've read that people advise the way to climb ranked solo is to play a carry. Also, I see people saying that they always lose because of their bad teammates. I'm sure there is going to be variance, and over a sample size, you might lose more games than you actually should. But if you put in the volume and you still are losing all these games because "of those fucking unlucky shitbag teammates" then something is wrong. What is wrong? You are wrong.
Welcome to the Dunning–Kruger effect.
People make bad decisions, it happens. In fact I love pointing out people's mistakes all the time. But then I learned to shut the fuck up and watch for my own mistakes. I'm not going to improve by calling my Sion a useless shitfag. Nor am I going to get better by staring at the team Tryndamere constantly tower dive and get fucked to an 0-11 end score. But instead if you play your part and do what your role has to do, you won't end up looking like an asshole moron. To you it appears that your teammates are bad. But the second you start blaming your teammates because you overextend for the poor Tristana trying to steal their red and they get a double kill - you are the one that looks like a complete and total retard.
Most of the time spent playing games with people on Teamliquid is pleasant, but I don't know what it is with the League of Legend SC players that make them rage and feel like they are above all others like no other game. The truth is, people see how you play. They see your k/d/a and ELO. No matter how much you insult other people or think otherwise, you'll always be a reflection of numbers to people. And your attitude just insinuates it even more. So just forget about how good you think you are. Forget about how bad your teammates are. Focus on teamwork and focus on playing your role. Don't pick Kayle just because you want to "climb the ELO with an easy carry". Because, as funny as this sounds, it really doesn't work if you're the 4th or 5th pick and you guys don't have a tank or jungler. Then we all get to sit indian style while reading this topic about people complaining how bad their team sucks and how they'll never get past 1500 ELO because of how unlucky they are, when in reality all you needed to do was pick that fucking Taric or Janna and eat your god damn pride.
This isn't a rant because I just had an unpleasant experience with a Teamliquid member.
This is just from months of experiences and reading this topic, the previous topic, and all the input liquidparty had. I never really said much but now you pretty much know why. How hard is it to grow up for some of you?
That's an interesting theory, but in practice the "feeders gonna feed" effect tends to screw with the variance. Also, I don't think you should be giving advice on "getting past 1500 Elo" when you're stuck under 1200.
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