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yazu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States255 Posts
September 20 2010 02:34 GMT
#18941
Well as panth I never have any trouble with mf. Panth's passive is really great and when its active I just out harass her. Except you have to be careful to not over commit. Use the manly shield block to your advantage. Panth is starting to counter alot of these up and coming new champs like vlad and mf which is really making him a good option as a pick these days. Also if played well he can destroy kassadin as well. Q to stun then back off and Q again, works like a charm. =)
g.cuisine
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
September 20 2010 02:40 GMT
#18942
On September 20 2010 11:16 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Edit:
Another example - Kass generally obliterates MF. Just ask HeavOnEarth. However an MF last night fought me to a standstill by going all-out on me with double-up and the rain of bullets with autoattack. She used her movement speed not to attempt to avoid me but to try to kill me, and in the war of attrition she'd start to win out because she simply does more damage than my Q. That's the sort of playstyle you NEED to swap to against Kassadin. You can't hope he won't hit you.

I don't know...I guess it's cause I'm bad but I have HUGE problems with MF. There doesn't seem to be a way where you can farm even as ranged where you can avoid Double Up as well as Make it Rain, and her abilities and speed allow her to more effectively harass at low levels. I was absolutely RIPPED UP as tristana last time I tried to solomid against her. Even a jump combo is a mistake as all she needs is exhaust and you're dead. Hell even without exhaust she can fly out of range and still survive and take a few potshots while she's at it.

Anyone have any particular advice vs. MF aside from just 'play better?'



Okay heres the secret to double up.


The 2nd shot travels backwards based on the direction that MF is not the creep.

IE if she shoots it in the face, it will come out its ass, if she shoots it in its right side, it will come out the left.

All you have to do is not stand directly in a line with a ranged minion and her. if you're off to one side then your chances of getting hit are much less.

apparently it tries to pick a target in a 70 degree arc behind the target, if it cant, then it goes up to 180 degrees to find a target.

or just move forward
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
September 20 2010 02:56 GMT
#18943
any thoughts on nunu? played him some more today, still seems kinda weak to me. He's got an amazing early game, but he just seems to fall off really quickly. I usually build him as tank, but as the game goes on you just get more and more ignored. No escape or damage reduction makes AP pretty bad. I dunno, just trying to find a way to make him work past the early game.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 06:28:55
September 20 2010 02:56 GMT
#18944
I need to learn panth again. Bored of nasus.

Jungle panth guide looks very interesting mogwai will def try it tonight.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
September 20 2010 03:23 GMT
#18945
On September 20 2010 11:04 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 10:46 scintilliaSD wrote:
D: What are some good champs that counter Kassadin solo mid?


There are no real "counters" to Kass because he's a pretty straight-forward poke hero with range. Mord can walk through him for the most part, but he does that to most heroes. The big thing you have to understand with Kassadin is that you're going to get hit, so you have to punish him when Q is on cooldown. The players I struggle the most with (not heroes) are the ones that understand this and lay on pressure - this buys them enough time until my Q starts to really "kick in" that they get a farm advantage, hence why Kassadin is generally known to have a bad early game. For instance, most people know that Kassadin crushes Trist straight-up early on. However last night ColZDude fought me to a stand-still by taking advantage of my cooldown and picking me apart with autoattack, DoT, and jump. At level 8ish I started chomping him down but he'd kept up with CS by that point which is a "win" for Tristana. Likewise I've cruised against Master of LoL's Ezreal and Vladimir, yet have had some Ezreals beat me straight up, even kill me at level 2 by landing a good combo, and I've generally refrained from laning against Vlad because he starts overhealing me, so a good Vlad will lay on pressure with the drain + autoattack.

Edit:
Another example - Kass generally obliterates MF. Just ask HeavOnEarth. However an MF last night fought me to a standstill by going all-out on me with double-up and the rain of bullets with autoattack. She used her movement speed not to attempt to avoid me but to try to kill me, and in the war of attrition she'd start to win out because she simply does more damage than my Q. That's the sort of playstyle you NEED to swap to against Kassadin. You can't hope he won't hit you.



How do you do against sivirs who are very good with their spell shields?
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 03:43:38
September 20 2010 03:38 GMT
#18946
I've seen some really decent nunu's succeed with really weird builds. One of my korean friends jungled with teleport/smite and had items something like Starks > Ga > Madreds Bloodrazor and did really well. I think he maxed bloodthirst first but I'm not sure. He only ulted when he needed too.

I think tanky builds like banshees veil and guardian angel are more normal and safe though.

Oh and fun little story. I was playing a game where we were losing but the enemy team was just so insistent on doing baron that it lost them the game. We had top spawn above baron with flypigmomo as MF and me as GP. That's a fucking lot of distance aoe damage on the baron and they couldn't get it with our ults blowing them up. It's funny, both pirates have an evil little laugh and then boom the nukes start flying.
Retvrn to Forvms
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 05:39:55
September 20 2010 05:33 GMT
#18947
Locodoco just ordered me to perform felacio on Maknoon because I DKed him and WW after they ganked me with Revive -> ult, citing that every time Jaedong does 2 Hatch muta he has to give Shark head as precedent, lol.

Also, shit, Elementz played so well that game that he just gained a shit ton of respect from me. Dude was going nuts with Kennen:

[image loading]

EDIT: high level jungle nunus run teleport + smite so that they can port to a ward on opposing buffs and steal with consume + smite. Epik ran it at WCG for that reason.
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Apexplayer
Profile Joined September 2009
United States406 Posts
September 20 2010 05:54 GMT
#18948
ever see an urgot own face? 20 stack occult and all?
[image loading]
Btw, he sucks, way less op than other fed heros, but op nonetheless.

Also, did you know that you can outrange kog maws ult with his q+e?
If you have site (or a good guesser) you can get 3 ridiculously long range shots in before time is up.
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
September 20 2010 06:02 GMT
#18949
how the hell do i keep going 10+ kills with katarina, and i've lost almost every single game. >> i hate my teams
flowandebb
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada158 Posts
September 20 2010 06:08 GMT
#18950
Just got this game. It is fantastic.
Xech
Profile Joined August 2009
United States17 Posts
September 20 2010 06:15 GMT
#18951
anyone got a build for Shaco? hes pretty tough to play cuz i never played him before after i heard about the nerf
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
September 20 2010 07:01 GMT
#18952
On September 20 2010 10:13 Jazriel wrote:
A lot of people don't understand Ashe at all it seems. W > Q > E? Wtf? Seriously? Have fun having a bad slow, unspammable volley, and very little farm. Not to mention, have you "Volley > All" people even seen the damage scaling on Volley? It goes up what, +10 dmg a level? What a joke.

I'm a good Ashe, E > Q. Get one point in W early (lvl 2 or 3 depending on your lane). I'll default to maxing E and Q first, but depending on the enemy team and flow of the game you might need the reduced cooldown higher levels of W gives you, so you can put some points into it earlier.

Then again, I run Clairvoyance and Flash on my Ashe. I have yet to see another Ashe good enough to do the same, so maybe I'm just crazy (lol ghost).

So is this really meant seriously?

You want to play her as an extremely weak autoattacker with a lot of scouting? Because that's all you get to do if you don't max W asap. Sure, being a support hero can be nice and fun, but Ashe has no way to dish out damage without Volley.

Yeah right, the damage scaling on Volley is crap (even if you assume 5 hits, but at least you have 5*AD then). I would keep it at level 1 if it weren't for the cooldown. But turns out that you need it at rank 5 as soon as you hit level 9. At 4 seconds, it is decently spammable. At 2.4 seconds, it almost feels like Hate Spike.


On a sidenote, I've been getting Philosopher's Stone more often lately. Almost every game. Works pretty well. Mana for 1 additional Volley every 30 seconds actually ups my damage output quite a bit between level 9 and 18 where I am often OOM. I don't like getting blue buff since I max CDR early anyways, and usually there is an ally who can use it better.
I'll gladly take it from an enemy though :p
Shurelia's Firecrest (the new item that builds from Philo) doesn't sound like a good idea though. I don't see a place in my build for it. Too expensive early, and too weak late game.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Iri
Profile Joined January 2010
150 Posts
September 20 2010 07:02 GMT
#18953
Just picked this up and I love it... my SC2 has seriously suffered. Currently playing a crapton of TF... boy is that fun.

US client, Iridos - if anyone is interested in some practice games, I can use the practice.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Pikachusc2
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
September 20 2010 07:16 GMT
#18954
im down if your not a turret hugging, healing using ghost running faggot

yeah im srs

im down if you're not any of those
Losing is learning. winning is teaching
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 07:29:17
September 20 2010 07:25 GMT
#18955
Kassadin > Vladimir till level 9 when he gets his 3 second heal, but then kas is 10/11 because of zoning vlad out. you can out damage him easily and he'll have to go back or he'll die, Q has faster cd then vlad's leech till lvl 7 so he cannot outheal your damage so if you keep poking he will start missing out on experience more and more and you can go gank or something when he hits 9 and expect your allies to return the favour.

Also I love it when Vlad's think using their pool is a better plan then taking a hit from Q, especially since my q will be off cd before their pool, and I'll be able to give him a nice 600 dmg burst making him have to back or watching him stay and die to my next teleport.

I'd also like to add that with kassadin when i grab blue buff i have 2.6 sec cd on my teleport, meaning that NO CARRY IN THE WORLD WILL KILL ME BEFORE I CAN TELEPORT A SECOND TIME.
In any realistic situation anyway, fully fed kog will ofc be able to kill the awsomeness that is Kassadin.
Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
September 20 2010 07:26 GMT
#18956
On September 20 2010 16:16 Pikachusc2 wrote:
im down if your not a turret hugging, healing using ghost running faggot

yeah im srs

im down if you're not any of those


you sound angry. you mad?

User was warned for this post
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 20 2010 07:40 GMT
#18957
On September 20 2010 15:02 goldenkrnboi wrote:
how the hell do i keep going 10+ kills with katarina, and i've lost almost every single game. >> i hate my teams

Kat can't push towers for shit and she has no late game in a game where she's not 20-0 by 15 minutes.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
September 20 2010 07:51 GMT
#18958
On September 20 2010 14:33 Mogwai wrote:

EDIT: high level jungle nunus run teleport + smite so that they can port to a ward on opposing buffs and steal with consume + smite. Epik ran it at WCG for that reason.


he ran it for that reason, but he didnt notice amumu getting liz the first time and didnt tele and steal it like they had planned
You can't milk those!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 08:21:31
September 20 2010 08:19 GMT
#18959
Just had a retardedly hilarious game.
We were playing against Morg/Shen/Xin/Trynd(who was building ArP/AS? WTF?)/Akali, and getting absolutely destroyed until I realized that except for Morgana, they all have to be in melee range to do anything...hell even Morgana has to be close for her Ult.

So we stacked Sunfires.
Behold:
[image loading]


I was so mad at first too because I hadn't gotten my first win of the day yet.
Also once again I blanked out my record 'cause I'm bad.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
September 20 2010 08:22 GMT
#18960
On September 20 2010 04:28 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2010 20:27 BluzMan wrote:
Lol i so love solo queue.

Pick Xin at start, go to drink some water.


Who are all these people running for a drink of water as soon as champ select starts? It's always like "I got onto champ screen, picked x, went for a drink of water, and when I came back WAS SHOCKED TO SUDDENLY FIND teemo/mundo/jax/eve team!"


How would that change if I stayed? They wouldn't pick this crap you think?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
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