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Pikachusc2
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 00:09:55
September 20 2010 00:09 GMT
#18921
no i ment brolof. lol

and well he isnt jungling hes always suicide into the enemy turrets.

he also stacks boots so he can suicide into the turrets faster
Losing is learning. winning is teaching
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
September 20 2010 00:37 GMT
#18922
^ pro

Seems so many ppl get killed early against mf. She can kill with that ult without having to tower dive its retarded!

Wish ppl played safer.

I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 20 2010 00:44 GMT
#18923
Shes very bursty for a physical dps that can retreat extremely easily in most cases. That's why shes so deadly right now.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
September 20 2010 00:45 GMT
#18924
I haven't laned against MF before. Is it that easy to get zoned out? I'd imagine its like laning against sivir or kat.
Whaaaa?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 20 2010 00:55 GMT
#18925
The thing about MF is that even though she has very short range for a range dps (only 550) she can quickly move up, pop you in the face with double up or auto attack and move back before most people are able to respond.

Latency and lack of apm needed to play this game usually allows her to harass fairly effectively.

She is also really good against people that buy a lot of potions because of the reduction component on her W.


If the enemy hangs too far back they will either get zoned out of exp or be in range of double up bounces from the range minions.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 20 2010 00:57 GMT
#18926
On September 20 2010 09:07 s_side wrote:
How do you folks do your masteries on Kog'Maw?

Since you have to take ghost+flash X/X/21 is the safest way to play him.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 20 2010 01:07 GMT
#18927
0-9-21 since he needs the extra lane staying power to farm
Brees on in
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
September 20 2010 01:13 GMT
#18928
Having a job and not being on the computer 24/7, the 5 or so pages a day is really boring to catch up on.

Some guy was talking about is it necessary to have a full T3 rune page, not at all. T1 runes are 55% of T3. If you really don't care about runes and just want the slight bonuses they give, go T1 all the way.

A lot of people don't understand Ashe at all it seems. W > Q > E? Wtf? Seriously? Have fun having a bad slow, unspammable volley, and very little farm. Not to mention, have you "Volley > All" people even seen the damage scaling on Volley? It goes up what, +10 dmg a level? What a joke.

I'm a good Ashe, E > Q. Get one point in W early (lvl 2 or 3 depending on your lane). I'll default to maxing E and Q first, but depending on the enemy team and flow of the game you might need the reduced cooldown higher levels of W gives you, so you can put some points into it earlier.

Then again, I run Clairvoyance and Flash on my Ashe. I have yet to see another Ashe good enough to do the same, so maybe I'm just crazy (lol ghost).



And I'm really starting to get the feeling that GP needs his Q to apply his passive. If that is done, I think he'd be a legitimate hero for serious play. Right now, he simply gets hurt too badly by any enemy that stacks armour.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 01:40:00
September 20 2010 01:39 GMT
#18929
On September 20 2010 10:13 Jazriel wrote:
Having a job and not being on the computer 24/7, the 5 or so pages a day is really boring to catch up on.

Some guy was talking about is it necessary to have a full T3 rune page, not at all. T1 runes are 55% of T3. If you really don't care about runes and just want the slight bonuses they give, go T1 all the way.

A lot of people don't understand Ashe at all it seems. W > Q > E? Wtf? Seriously? Have fun having a bad slow, unspammable volley, and very little farm. Not to mention, have you "Volley > All" people even seen the damage scaling on Volley? It goes up what, +10 dmg a level? What a joke.

I'm a good Ashe, E > Q. Get one point in W early (lvl 2 or 3 depending on your lane). I'll default to maxing E and Q first, but depending on the enemy team and flow of the game you might need the reduced cooldown higher levels of W gives you, so you can put some points into it earlier.

Then again, I run Clairvoyance and Flash on my Ashe. I have yet to see another Ashe good enough to do the same, so maybe I'm just crazy (lol ghost).



And I'm really starting to get the feeling that GP needs his Q to apply his passive. If that is done, I think he'd be a legitimate hero for serious play. Right now, he simply gets hurt too badly by any enemy that stacks armour.

lol wut.
You sound incredibly cocky for a guy that runs clairvoyance on a carry.
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UCD2
Profile Joined January 2009
United States109 Posts
September 20 2010 01:39 GMT
#18930
right-click and raise your hand in teh air for autowin!

my ign is UCD2 :D
If u want some advice just pm me
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 01:46:55
September 20 2010 01:46 GMT
#18931
On September 20 2010 10:13 Jazriel wrote:
Having a job and not being on the computer 24/7, the 5 or so pages a day is really boring to catch up on.

Some guy was talking about is it necessary to have a full T3 rune page, not at all. T1 runes are 55% of T3. If you really don't care about runes and just want the slight bonuses they give, go T1 all the way.

A lot of people don't understand Ashe at all it seems. W > Q > E? Wtf? Seriously? Have fun having a bad slow, unspammable volley, and very little farm. Not to mention, have you "Volley > All" people even seen the damage scaling on Volley? It goes up what, +10 dmg a level? What a joke.

I'm a good Ashe, E > Q. Get one point in W early (lvl 2 or 3 depending on your lane). I'll default to maxing E and Q first, but depending on the enemy team and flow of the game you might need the reduced cooldown higher levels of W gives you, so you can put some points into it earlier.

Then again, I run Clairvoyance and Flash on my Ashe. I have yet to see another Ashe good enough to do the same, so maybe I'm just crazy (lol ghost).



And I'm really starting to get the feeling that GP needs his Q to apply his passive. If that is done, I think he'd be a legitimate hero for serious play. Right now, he simply gets hurt too badly by any enemy that stacks armour.


lol flash clairvoyance?

get clair on a support hero, not ashe. ashe needs escape mechanisms, which includes ghost. you try living with a decent melee champion on the other team without ghost

w-q-e because percentage doesn't matter that mush anyways. or in your words, wtf? seriously? have fun having shitty damage, slow with 50 damage, and do nothing till level 18 because you maxed e first (LOL)

i seriously think you're a troll, if you get e every level till it's maxed you get like 600 more gold in the end, grats.

maybe my sarcasm detector is broken but you can't be effen serious
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
September 20 2010 01:46 GMT
#18932
D: What are some good champs that counter Kassadin solo mid?
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 20 2010 01:58 GMT
#18933
On September 20 2010 10:46 scintilliaSD wrote:
D: What are some good champs that counter Kassadin solo mid?

Trist has always been one of the hardest matchups for kass solomid, Vlad is the usual hassle but more because of his staying power than anything else since you'll just outrange him with silence.

Kog is annoying because of his autoattack range, punish him by calling for 2 ganks at lv 4-6. Idk about how the MF-kass matchup works, haven't played that much since the MF patch.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 02:06:24
September 20 2010 02:04 GMT
#18934
On September 20 2010 10:46 scintilliaSD wrote:
D: What are some good champs that counter Kassadin solo mid?


There are no real "counters" to Kass because he's a pretty straight-forward poke hero with range. Mord can walk through him for the most part, but he does that to most heroes. The big thing you have to understand with Kassadin is that you're going to get hit, so you have to punish him when Q is on cooldown. The players I struggle the most with (not heroes) are the ones that understand this and lay on pressure - this buys them enough time until my Q starts to really "kick in" that they get a farm advantage, hence why Kassadin is generally known to have a bad early game. For instance, most people know that Kassadin crushes Trist straight-up early on. However last night ColZDude fought me to a stand-still by taking advantage of my cooldown and picking me apart with autoattack, DoT, and jump. At level 8ish I started chomping him down but he'd kept up with CS by that point which is a "win" for Tristana. Likewise I've cruised against Master of LoL's Ezreal and Vladimir, yet have had some Ezreals beat me straight up, even kill me at level 2 by landing a good combo, and I've generally refrained from laning against Vlad because he starts overhealing me, so a good Vlad will lay on pressure with the drain + autoattack.

Edit:
Another example - Kass generally obliterates MF. Just ask HeavOnEarth. However an MF last night fought me to a standstill by going all-out on me with double-up and the rain of bullets with autoattack. She used her movement speed not to attempt to avoid me but to try to kill me, and in the war of attrition she'd start to win out because she simply does more damage than my Q. That's the sort of playstyle you NEED to swap to against Kassadin. You can't hope he won't hit you.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 02:08:52
September 20 2010 02:08 GMT
#18935
streaming http://www.livestream.com/shawz?t=468950

come watch playing some normals stream will be on in a sec

edit : fuckin hydra yeaaa
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 20 2010 02:11 GMT
#18936
Edit:
Another example - Kass generally obliterates MF. Just ask HeavOnEarth. However an MF last night fought me to a standstill by going all-out on me with double-up and the rain of bullets with autoattack. She used her movement speed not to attempt to avoid me but to try to kill me, and in the war of attrition she'd start to win out because she simply does more damage than my Q. That's the sort of playstyle you NEED to swap to against Kassadin. You can't hope he won't hit you.

I don't know...I guess it's cause I'm bad but I have HUGE problems with MF. There doesn't seem to be a way where you can farm even as ranged where you can avoid Double Up as well as Make it Rain, and her abilities and speed allow her to more effectively harass at low levels. I was absolutely RIPPED UP as tristana last time I tried to solomid against her. Even a jump combo is a mistake as all she needs is exhaust and you're dead. Hell even without exhaust she can fly out of range and still survive and take a few potshots while she's at it.

Anyone have any particular advice vs. MF aside from just 'play better?'
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 20 2010 02:13 GMT
#18937
On September 20 2010 11:08 shawster wrote:
streaming http://www.livestream.com/shawz?t=468950

come watch playing some normals stream will be on in a sec

edit : fuckin hydra yeaaa


ling 4lyf
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 20 2010 02:14 GMT
#18938
yawn 1721 capt picks taric builds chalice goes 0-5 in 9 minutes


how many lotteries did that guy win i wonder
Brees on in
Kingske
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium252 Posts
September 20 2010 02:14 GMT
#18939
On September 20 2010 11:14 Brees wrote:
yawn 1721 capt picks taric builds chalice goes 0-5 in 9 minutes


how many lotteries did that guy win i wonder


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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
September 20 2010 02:16 GMT
#18940
On September 20 2010 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Edit:
Another example - Kass generally obliterates MF. Just ask HeavOnEarth. However an MF last night fought me to a standstill by going all-out on me with double-up and the rain of bullets with autoattack. She used her movement speed not to attempt to avoid me but to try to kill me, and in the war of attrition she'd start to win out because she simply does more damage than my Q. That's the sort of playstyle you NEED to swap to against Kassadin. You can't hope he won't hit you.

I don't know...I guess it's cause I'm bad but I have HUGE problems with MF. There doesn't seem to be a way where you can farm even as ranged where you can avoid Double Up as well as Make it Rain, and her abilities and speed allow her to more effectively harass at low levels. I was absolutely RIPPED UP as tristana last time I tried to solomid against her. Even a jump combo is a mistake as all she needs is exhaust and you're dead. Hell even without exhaust she can fly out of range and still survive and take a few potshots while she's at it.

Anyone have any particular advice vs. MF aside from just 'play better?'



Okay heres the secret to double up.


The 2nd shot travels backwards based on the direction that MF is not the creep.

IE if she shoots it in the face, it will come out its ass, if she shoots it in its right side, it will come out the left.

All you have to do is not stand directly in a line with a ranged minion and her. if you're off to one side then your chances of getting hit are much less.

apparently it tries to pick a target in a 70 degree arc behind the target, if it cant, then it goes up to 180 degrees to find a target.
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