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On September 10 2010 01:30 azndsh wrote:
MR - void staff
0 - 0.0%
50 - 15.4%
100 - 25.0%
150 - 31.6%
200 - 36.4%
250 - 40.0%
300 - 42.9%

On September 10 2010 01:27 Crucifix wrote:

I fucking cried @ 2nd picture, haha.

On September 10 2010 01:45 Brees wrote:
lol yea people think vlad's Q wins the lane but its really his auto-attack. he has a very high base dmg and quick animation.

On September 10 2010 01:51 gtrsrs wrote:


isn't his base damage exceptionally low? i feel like it's about 45 when i play him unless i pick up doran's sword

On September 10 2010 01:57 red_ wrote:
Corki has by far the best attack animation of the ranged champs, I'm pretty sure it's faster than a decent amount of the melee champs and is super friendly to canceling.

On September 10 2010 02:21 Phunkapotamus wrote:
On the topic of HoN's complexity:

There are more gameplay mechanics for one to eek out an advantage in HoN:

Bottle
Runes
Line of Sight/Tree Juking (not unlike brush juking, but more complex since brushes are a binary system)
Portal Key ( Think Flash, but on a short cooldown and 3x as long)
Denies
Collision detection is rigid, and collision areas are smaller (hard to hit)
Animation Desyncing
Faster attack animations, and quicker cooldown animation cancelling

The point is: The more gameplay mechanics one can exploit, the more complex the game is. It's just more things that a skilled player can use to their advantage- and that a lesser player can drop the ball on. There's more to separate player skill.

That said, when I switched from HoN (1750PSR as a casual) to LoL (only lvl 15- just started a few weeks ago), I was literally "loling at how easy it was to play. I was also "loling" at how terrible the people playing were. However, I don't hold the players against the game. LoL certainly takes skill, but the gap between the "really really good" players and the "really good" players is much smaller than what's found in DotA/HoN. Hell, the gap between the "really really good" players and the "terribad" players is also much smaller in LoL than it is HoN. It's not that the "really really good" players are bad, it's that the game has a lower skill cap and thus more people can compete at a high level. That's definitely a success in Riot's eyes, but I'm sure a failure in a lot of competitive HoN/DotA player's eyes.

Why do I play LoL now then? I want to come home from work and play a game with friends for fun. I want to face-roll and still enjoy myself because I don't have to worry about eeking each advantage out of the system. I also enjoy the game design and art direction of LoL more- it certainly 'feels' better than both DotA and HoN, but that's just icing on the cake thus far.

On another note: Holy crap Miss Fortune has great zoning capability! When she gets just one stack of her speed passive going, it's very intimidating to lane against her in early game. A speed boost of that advantage early on lets her decide positioning. Very cool. Basically, during the lane phase, every 7 seconds she gets to 'make a move' virtually uncontested.

On September 10 2010 02:29 Brees wrote:
this would be valid if the same korean group + hotshot didnt win pretty much everything. If there was only a small skill gap then you would see a larger competitive scene. thats a part of the reason i think the competitive scene is so small...the skill gap is actually fairly large

On September 10 2010 02:32 Southlight wrote:


On a related note, do you think this is because of lilballz? I mentioned to Mog a week ago-ish that I felt like the best player in the game is lilballz because of how consistently he puts his mark on a game, moreso than anyone else, because he's so goddamn good at jungling. It feels to me like the HSGG/GJ/jijis of the world are a dime a dozen (replace any of them with the Xpecials etc. and you'd look pretty much the same) but the sheer impact of lilballz is insane.

On September 10 2010 02:21 Phunkapotamus wrote:
On the topic of HoN's complexity:

There are more gameplay mechanics for one to eek out an advantage in HoN:

Bottle
Runes
Line of Sight/Tree Juking (not unlike brush juking, but more complex since brushes are a binary system)
Portal Key ( Think Flash, but on a short cooldown and 3x as long)
Denies
Collision detection is rigid, and collision areas are smaller (hard to hit)
Animation Desyncing
Faster attack animations, and quicker cooldown animation cancelling

The point is: The more gameplay mechanics one can exploit, the more complex the game is. It's just more things that a skilled player can use to their advantage- and that a lesser player can drop the ball on. There's more to separate player skill.

That said, when I switched from HoN (1750PSR as a casual) to LoL (only lvl 15- just started a few weeks ago), I was literally "loling at how easy it was to play. I was also "loling" at how terrible the people playing were. However, I don't hold the players against the game. LoL certainly takes skill, but the gap between the "really really good" players and the "really good" players is much smaller than what's found in DotA/HoN. Hell, the gap between the "really really good" players and the "terribad" players is also much smaller in LoL than it is HoN. It's not that the "really really good" players are bad, it's that the game has a lower skill cap and thus more people can compete at a high level. That's definitely a success in Riot's eyes, but I'm sure a failure in a lot of competitive HoN/DotA player's eyes.

Why do I play LoL now then? I want to come home from work and play a game with friends for fun. I want to face-roll and still enjoy myself because I don't have to worry about eeking each advantage out of the system. I also enjoy the game design and art direction of LoL more- it certainly 'feels' better than both DotA and HoN, but that's just icing on the cake thus far.

On another note: Holy crap Miss Fortune has great zoning capability! When she gets just one stack of her speed passive going, it's very intimidating to lane against her in early game. A speed boost of that advantage early on lets her decide positioning. Very cool. Basically, during the lane phase, every 7 seconds she gets to 'make a move' virtually uncontested.

On September 10 2010 02:32 Southlight wrote:


On a related note, do you think this is because of lilballz? I mentioned to Mog a week ago-ish that I felt like the best player in the game is lilballz because of how consistently he puts his mark on a game, moreso than anyone else, because he's so goddamn good at jungling. It feels to me like the HSGG/GJ/jijis of the world are a dime a dozen (replace any of them with the Xpecials etc. and you'd look pretty much the same) but the sheer impact of lilballz is insane.

On September 10 2010 01:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Lol wtf do you really run dorans sword on him?'

Blade, sword you know what i mean