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Queues are disabled for me, so should i be hopeful that the champs are changing?
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What do you guys think of the new Shaco? I find that now that he's been nerfed he goes unbanned the majority of my games in ranked (im 1400 on average) and I can usually get him now. However, I'm finding his jungle speed underwhelming compared to Warwick and Udyr. He still has really strong ganks, and a very strong level 2 one after starting red buff. I just want to know the most efficient way to keep up in levels, as I'm starting to think Warwick and Udyr provide more more muscle in team fights right now. So, is Shaco really worth banning at this point in time?
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I don't find shaco to much of a threat at all in his current form at my elo level.. especially after level 6-8
waste of a ban imo, although he's not a bottom of the barrel pick either.
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I'm still feeling a bit squishy with Singed... Any suggestions for masteries? My current favorite is 0/21/9. Guess I'll also drop the MSpd quints to see how it feels with more HP.
If I get 3 in Meditation, the MP5/L seals seem obsolete, so maybe I should try something with Veteran's Scars and 3 in Meditation, and then replace the seals with flat defense (because I have those already).
I'm using Teleport/Ghost for now, but I really miss Cleanse. It just sucks being stunned.
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You'd still ban him for the same reasons you used to ban him... because you don't want to deal with an annoying pubstomper. He baaaaasically still does the same thing, where he kills dragon after level 6 if you leave it alone for like 10 seconds, and he has a full-proof escape even if you attempt to gank him there.
I don't really feel his jungling is any slower than warwick.
My jungling pattern goes something like
- longsword + pot
- stack boxes at golem (get team to defend it)
- kill golem, leave the small ones alone for now (its unnecessary damage and i don't like hanging around golem too long anyways)
- put a jitb near wolves but far enough that it won't trigger
- go wraith camp, smite the big one (level up - this is why you don't need to cleanup the little guys at your golem) and kill the small ones
- go back to wolves, put down a second jitb and kill the wolves. You take less damage than if you were to fight them with only 1 jitb
- go back and finish the little lizards at golem
- kill stone golems (smite's up again)
Shaco actually takes fairly minimal damage when jungling using this pattern because his boxes tank a lot of damage and also deals some nice DPS.
My build is:
- longsword + pot
- madred's razor (for fast lizard)
- boots 1 + as many doran's blade as you can afford up to 3
- get 3 doran's blade total
- finish bloodrazor
- finish guardian angel
Frankly, the only difference that the nerf made to my shaco setup is that I can't do smite/ignite anymore. Now I have to do smite/ghost
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On September 07 2010 06:30 spinesheath wrote:
I'm still feeling a bit squishy with Singed... Any suggestions for masteries? My current favorite is 0/21/9. Guess I'll also drop the MSpd quints to see how it feels with more HP.
If I get 3 in Meditation, the MP5/L seals seem obsolete, so maybe I should try something with Veteran's Scars and 3 in Meditation, and then replace the seals with flat defense (because I have those already).
I'm using Teleport/Ghost for now, but I really miss Cleanse. It just sucks being stunned.
I'm no singed pro but I run the following without feeling squishy at all
0/9/21 <- get Strength of Spirit
cleanse/ghost
MS quint / MPen red / mp5plvl yellow / mres plvl blue
items are something like
mana crystal + two pots
merc treads / swiftness
roa
banshees
sunfire
force of nature
ga
though you've got a lot of latitude with items after your first RoA.
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Here's a small but neat little Garen tip for those who didn't know about it. When hitting towers, auto attack it and then immediately Q it once the auto attack damage goes through rather than walking up to it and hitting q since Q refreshes his attack. Also applicable to enemy champions/minions except not really because you'll be spinning around most of the time.
Slight advantages are everything! 
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Anyone have a good soraka guide? The one linked in the OP has locket, which I am told is not a very strong choice.
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i need to write a nunu guide, he's pretty dam good now. I can do dragon at level 4 with nunu with doran shield + hp pot start and then go on to same leveled with solo lanes. I play him whenever we got a big time carry like ezrael or kog and just keep bloodboiling them. good support/tank character now, 5-0 with him so far
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On September 07 2010 06:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
You'd still ban him for the same reasons you used to ban him... because you don't want to deal with an annoying pubstomper. He baaaaasically still does the same thing, where he kills dragon after level 6 if you leave it alone for like 10 seconds, and he has a full-proof escape even if you attempt to gank him there.
I don't really feel his jungling is any slower than warwick.
My jungling pattern goes something like
- longsword + pot
- stack boxes at golem (get team to defend it)
- kill golem, leave the small ones alone for now (its unnecessary damage and i don't like hanging around golem too long anyways)
- put a jitb near wolves but far enough that it won't trigger
- go wraith camp, smite the big one (level up - this is why you don't need to cleanup the little guys at your golem) and kill the small ones
- go back to wolves, put down a second jitb and kill the wolves. You take less damage than if you were to fight them with only 1 jitb
- go back and finish the little lizards at golem
- kill stone golems (smite's up again)
Shaco actually takes fairly minimal damage when jungling using this pattern because his boxes tank a lot of damage and also deals some nice DPS.
My build is:
- longsword + pot
- madred's razor (for fast lizard)
- boots 1 + as many doran's blade as you can afford up to 3
- get 3 doran's blade total
- finish bloodrazor
- finish guardian angel
Frankly, the only difference that the nerf made to my shaco setup is that I can't do smite/ignite anymore. Now I have to do smite/ghost
thats really ineffective, i think you are forgetting the poit of jungling, using the buffs to gank. Normal cloth armor + 5 hp pots shaco can do golem/wolves/wraiths/lizard/small golems and still be full hp to go gank with double buff.
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Possibly. I gank after I buy my madred's razor during my trip, but perhaps I can squeeze in 5 health pots and gank sooner. Same pattern though.
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On September 06 2010 23:44 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 20:13 spinesheath wrote:On September 06 2010 19:40 Ordained wrote:On September 06 2010 11:28 TieN.nS) wrote:On September 06 2010 11:21 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I love people who handicap themselves and the team by picking terrible champions. And then they expect for you to not blame them. What do I expect? Don't pick shitty champions. If someone plays terrible it's easier to just blame the person who picked the shitty champion, because you probably aren't going to be very good no matter how well you play. http://stillmashing.com/wp/the-glory-of-the-low-tier/ That was a great read, thank you. On September 06 2010 18:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:On September 06 2010 17:34 Shizuru~ wrote:On September 06 2010 16:28 SCC-Faust wrote:
How viable is Trist?
With the Ezreal nerfs who are the up and coming DPS carries? what Ezreal nerf are you talking about? + Show Spoiler +Akali
· Fixed a display error with Twin Disciplines and death recap
· Shadow Dance can no longer be cast while rooted
Alistar
· Headbutt can no longer be cast while rooted
· Unbreakable Will tooltip corrected to state that it removes all crowd control but not all debuffs
· Pulverize tooltip corrected to not imply that enemies do not take damage until they land.
· Base attack speed and attack speed per level increased to be approximately at the level of Rammus
Amumu
· Bandage Toss can no longer be cast while rooted.
· Curse of the Sad Mummy corrected to state that enemies are rooted and cannot attack or move
· Cursed Touch Magic Resistance reduction reduced to 15/25/35 from 20/30/40
Annie
· Corrected the buff tooltip on Molten Shield so it correctly states that all attackers receive magic damage
Cho'Gath
· Fixed a display error with Vorpal Spikes and death recap
· Feral Scream silence duration reduced to 2/2.25/2.5/2.75/3 seconds from 2/2.5/3/3.5/4 seconds
· Feral Scream cooldown reduced to 13 seconds from 16 seconds
Corki
· Attack range increased to 550 from 500
· Valkyre can no longer be cast while rooted
· Missile Barrage reload time reduced to 10 from 14
· Attack speed per evel increased to 2.3 from 1.86
Dr. Mundo
· Infected Cleaver cost changed to 50/60/70/80/90 from 30/50/70/90/110
· Dr. Mundo is now healed for half of the ability cost when Infected cleaver strikes a target
· Burning Agony cost reduced to 20/25/30/35/40 from 20/27.5/35/42.5/50
· Masochism cost changed to 25/35/45/55/65 from 15/30/45/60/75
· Sadism now returns 40/55/70 percent of Mundo's health instead of 50/50/50
Ezreal
· Base damage reduced to 45 from 47.6
· Damage per level reduced to 2.6 from 3
· Attack Speed per level reduced to 2.8 from 3.22
· Mystic Shot damage reduced to 35/55/75/95/115 from 40/65/90/115/140
· Essence Flux mana cost reduced to 70/80/90/100/110 from 80/90/100/110/120
Gangplank
· Fixed a display error with Grog Soaked Blade and death recap
· Fixed a bug where Gangplank's passive would be replaced with the Grog Soaked Blade debuff text when struck by another Gangplank
Garen
· Courage maximum armor/magic resistance reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 7/14/21/28/35
Gragas
· Fixed a display error with the tooltip on Barrel Roll's self buff
· Body Slam can no longer be cast while rooted
Heimerdinger
· UPGRADE!!! tooltip updated to correctly state that the slow is actually 20/25/30 not 25/30/35
Kassadin
· Nether Blade's level up tooltip now correctly states the increased mana cost
· Riftwalk can no longer be cast while rooted
Katarina
· Shunpo can no longer be cast while rooted
Karthus
· Wall of Pain's level up tooltip now correctly states the increased slow amount
Kayle
· Reckoning's debuff and death recap tooltips have been corrected
Kog'Maw
· Living Artillery's buff on Kog'Maw now correctly states that the increased cost per stack is 40
Malphite
· Unstoppable Force can no longer be cast while rooted
Malzahar
· Call of the Void cooldown reduced to 9 seconds from 10 seconds
· Null Zone mana cost reduced to 80/95/110/125/140 from 90/105/120/135/150
· Null Zone no longer places a blank buff on Malzahar
· Malzahar's Voidlings will now attack the target affected by Malzahar's most recently cast Malefic Visions
· Nether Grasp now suppresses summoner spells in addition to stunning the target
· Nether Grasp range increased to 750 from 650
Master Yi
· Wuju Style tooltip simplified
· Alpha Strike can no longer be cast while rooted
Nasus
· Fury of the Sands buff on Nasus no longer incorrectly states that it grants increased attack speed
Nidalee
· Pounce can no longer be cast while rooted
· Cougar form's tooltip now correctly mentions the 10% bonus dodge chance Nidalee gains in Cougar Form
· Corrected a display error with Takedown and death recap
Pantheon
· Corrected a display error with Pantheon's auto attack and death recap.
· Aegis of Zeonia can no longer be cast while rooted
· Grand Skyfall can no longer be cast while rooted
Poppy
· Heroic Charge can no longer be cast while rooted
Shaco
· Deceive can no longer be cast while rooted
Shen
· Shadow Dash can no longer be cast while rooted
· Stand United can no longer be cast while rooted
Sivir
· Typos corrected in the level up tooltips for Spell Shield and Boomerang Blade.
Soraka
· Starcall debuff now correctly states that it can stack up to 20 times
Taric
· Imbue base heal reduced to 80/120/160/200/240 from 100/145/190/235/280
· Imbue ability power ratio increased to 1.1 from 0.9
Tristana
· Rocket Jump debuff now correctly states the slow amount
· Rocket Jump can no longer be cast while rooted
Tryndamere
· Spinning Slash can no longer be cast while rooted
Twitch
· Spray and Pray buff no longer incorrectly states that he does reduced damage during Spray and Pray
Twisted Fate
· Gate can no longer be cast while rooted; Destiny can still be cast while rooted.
Veigar
· Fixed a typo in Event Horizon's tooltip
Vladimir
· Hemoplague's debuff will now grant assists even if it does not deal damage to the target
Warwick
· Blood Scent is now a toggle
· Infinite Duress can no longer be cast while rooted
Xin Zhao
· Audacious Charge can no longer be cast while rooted
Summoner Spells
· Flash can no longer be cast while rooted
· Teleport can no longer be cast while rooted
Items
· Sheen, Lich Bane and Trinity Force's "reservoir" system has been removed. These items will now strictly respect the cooldown time between procs. The cooldown has been reduced to 2 second delays between procs from 3 seconds.
· Spirit Visage redesigned
o Comprised of Null-Magic Mantle, Ruby Crystal, and 375 recipe cost.
o +30 Magic Resist
o +200 Health
o UNIQUE Passive: Reduces ability cooldowns by 12% and increases your healing and regeneration effects on yourself by 20%.
· Tear of the Goddess
o New Recipe: Meki Pendant + Mana Crystal + 205G.
o Now gives 350 Mana and 7 Mana Regen per 5
· New Item: Manamune
o Recipe consists of Tear of the Goddess + Long Sword + 500 recipe cost.
o + 350 Mana
o + 7 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
o + 20 Attack Damage
o UNIQUE Passive: 2% of your maximum mana is converted to attack damage.
o UNIQUE Passive: Whenever your champion attacks, they gain 1 max mana (2 second cooldown.) Whenever your champion uses an ability, they gain 4 max mana (3 second cooldown.) Bonus mana caps at 1000.
· Randuin's Omen tooltip updated to state the correct slow amount
· Guardian Angel now revives Champions at 750 health and 375 mana instead of 40% health and mana
· Regrowth Pendant cost reduced to 435 from 450
· Philosopher's Stone has a new recipe: Faerie Charm + Regrowth Pendant + 185 recipe cost.
General
· Abilities with movement or teleport based components now cannot be cast while rooted.
· Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser, Infinite Duress and Nether Grasp now properly suppress and stun their targets.
· Suppression prevents summoner spells from being cast, and makes the ability immune to duration reduction effects such as that granted by Mercury's Treads.
· Towers currently attacking a champion will no longer respond to further calls for help from other champions.
· Improved many of the "playing as" and "playing against" tips that display in death recap.
· Updated the splash logo that appears upon loading into the game client to match the new League of Legends logo
· Fixed a bug that caused purple cannon minions to deal and receive normal damage from towers.
· Fixed a bug that caused super minions to receive normal damage from towers. Looks like im picking up a new champion, dont know how Ez will survive that one. Everything AD Ez uses is getting hit hard. Gona take me a lot of practice just to get back to being Terrible. Edit: Rofl, Riot hates roots. I might have to learn how to play Amumu now. Why do people immediately hop off a champ as soon as he is getting a deserved nerf? He still has his free flash, mystic shot might do a bit less damage but it's still going to be strong. It was just like when Shaco had his deceive cooldown increased by 1s by stealth decreased by 0.5s. The whines were terrible, and the idiots who thought shaco was fixed were quickly eating humble pie. Same case here. Ez loses a long sword worth of damage at lvl 18! Ez is ruined! RUINNNEDDD!
The part that is making me not pick him is the loss of Sheen as a viable item for AD, this will be alot more noticeable than 10 damage. I am loving Vlad at the moment though so I have no bad feelings.
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On September 07 2010 07:38 Brees wrote:
thats really ineffective, i think you are forgetting the poit of jungling, using the buffs to gank. Normal cloth armor + 5 hp pots shaco can do golem/wolves/wraiths/lizard/small golems and still be full hp to go gank with double buff.
I thought the point of having a jungler is because you get an extra solo lane and extra XP/gold advantage?
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On September 06 2010 23:44 cascades wrote:
It was just like when Shaco had his deceive cooldown increased by 1s by stealth decreased by 0.5s. The whines were terrible, and the idiots who thought shaco was fixed were quickly eating humble pie. Same case here. Ez loses a long sword worth of damage at lvl 18! Ez is ruined! RUINNNEDDD!
nvm
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On September 07 2010 08:14 Kultcher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 07:38 Brees wrote:
thats really ineffective, i think you are forgetting the poit of jungling, using the buffs to gank. Normal cloth armor + 5 hp pots shaco can do golem/wolves/wraiths/lizard/small golems and still be full hp to go gank with double buff. I thought the point of having a jungler is because you get an extra solo lane and extra XP/gold advantage?
Gank lanes and dragon control is more important lol
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On September 07 2010 06:07 arb wrote:
Queues are disabled for me, so should i be hopeful that the champs are changing?
nope
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On September 07 2010 08:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 08:14 Kultcher wrote:On September 07 2010 07:38 Brees wrote:
thats really ineffective, i think you are forgetting the poit of jungling, using the buffs to gank. Normal cloth armor + 5 hp pots shaco can do golem/wolves/wraiths/lizard/small golems and still be full hp to go gank with double buff. I thought the point of having a jungler is because you get an extra solo lane and extra XP/gold advantage? Gank lanes and dragon control is more important lol
no, thats why i faceplam when i see people jungle with people like xin zhao, nasus, etc. why are you taking some one that has good lane control to the jungle?
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Any links to updated guides?
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