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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:14 Juicyfruit wrote: Played jungle taric (all-random bug when i wanted to practice jungle yi). It sounds like a retarded idea but there's a slight benefit to this, which is that you can safely start the match with an amp tome and farm up boots 1 and mejai before the teamfight stuff starts, something that taric usually doesn't get to do when laning unless he gets fed kills. Plus he's always at full HP and mana in the jungle, so he can be a pretty big pain in the ass in harassing the enemy mid and jungler as well. Speaking of Jungle Taric, what's the order for him? Since I still play a lot of unranked, there's a lot of games where we have no junglers, and that seems interesting enough to me to want to try. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:43 Niton wrote: Speaking of Jungle Taric, what's the order for him? Since I still play a lot of unranked, there's a lot of games where we have no junglers, and that seems interesting enough to me to want to try. He can kill creeps pretty fast, and can actually be a surprisingly strong jungler. However imho it's just silly to have a taric and not have him off laning making one of your towers un-pushable. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I have some attack speed runes so I can spam as much heal as I want with or without golem buff. Level 1 imbue keeps me topped off fairly well but you can get Q to level 2 as well. The fast mejai lets taric's team snowball into unkillable pretty quickly, and will probably be even better once the heal AP ratio is buffed (next patch?). Something like mejai, mercs, aegis sounds pretty good. | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:00 Jazriel wrote: Gotta love how flawed this game is. If only someone out there was as smart as I am and knew how to properly fix/balance MOBA's. Yea, it's definitely as easy a task as you think it is in your head, especially that part where the playerbase just finally 'gets' how to use a champ and they become exceptionally strong despite being thought of as 'meh' beforehand(hi Ezreal). | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
No more complaining, Smash! | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Nogardeci89
United States113 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:16 Juicyfruit wrote: Anyone plays sivir? How exactly does ricochet work? If I have madred's razor and my first hit procs 500 damage, does the next bounce do 400? the only thing ricochet gains bonus from with out any penalty are life steal attack speed armor pen which is why people rush starks | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:22 Nogardeci89 wrote: the only thing ricochet gains bonus from with out any penalty are life steal attack speed armor pen which is why people rush starks That's dumb. Attack speed and lifesteal are effected just as much as damage is, and armor pen prolly is too (I don't feel like thinking atm). | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:24 APurpleCow wrote: that's dumb. of course attack speed isn't effected... her aspd doesn't get affected when she toggles on ricochet. pretty sure armor pen isn't changed per bounce either. at the same time, life steal is a "proc" so i think that only works on the first attack.That's dumb. Attack speed and lifesteal are effected just as much as damage is, and armor pen prolly is too (I don't feel like thinking atm). | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:53 Juicyfruit wrote: Right now Im just doing Q,W,W,E,W,R. I have some attack speed runes so I can spam as much heal as I want with or without golem buff. Level 1 imbue keeps me topped off fairly well but you can get Q to level 2 as well. The fast mejai lets taric's team snowball into unkillable pretty quickly, and will probably be even better once the heal AP ratio is buffed (next patch?). Something like mejai, mercs, aegis sounds pretty good. Do you run Aspd/Mp5/Mp5/FlatHP? And what order for jungle? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I have it right. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:34 redtooth wrote: that's dumb. of course attack speed isn't effected... her aspd doesn't get affected when she toggles on ricochet. pretty sure armor pen isn't changed per bounce either. at the same time, life steal is a "proc" so i think that only works on the first attack. You deal 100 damage and attack 10 times per second. 1000 DPS. Increase damage by 10. 1100 DPS, 10% increase. Increase attacks/sec by 1. 1100 DPS, 10% increase. You deal 100 damage and attack 10 times per second, but now you only deal 90% damage. 900 DPS. Increase damage by 10. 990 DPS, 10% increase. Increase attacks/second by 1. 990 DPS, 10% increase. O jeez. DPS was effected the same by damage and attacks/sec after -10% damage was applied. How odd. DPS = Damage * Attacks/sec Apply a 78% modifier to damage (ricochet). DPS = 0.78(Damage) * Attacks/sec BUT WAIT THIS IS MULTIPLICATION, SO THAT'S THE SAME AS... DPS = Damage * 0.78(Attacks/sec) ...Which means you should stack damage, since attack speed suffers a -22% modifier from ricochet, right? | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Someone needs to test all this crap. Maybe when I finish homework. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:45 Niton wrote: Do you run Aspd/Mp5/Mp5/FlatHP? And what order for jungle? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I have it right. I only tried it once, didn't feel it was terrible, and so I posted the idea here. I don't specialize in jungle taric or something, it just so happens that i was stuck with a jungling spec and randomed taric. You can technically go any route you want since taric's basically always at full HP/mana while jungling, especially with blue buff. This seems like fairly big advantage because you can wander into their jungle without being in too much danger. Small golem, wraith, wolves, blue buff, red buff (if their team doesn't have smite, otherwise wait for yours to get off CD), start from small golems again. You try to get your mejai/boots as fast as possible and then it's full-support time. He can gank or pop into lane to heal someone. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:43 Niton wrote: Speaking of Jungle Taric, what's the order for him? Since I still play a lot of unranked, there's a lot of games where we have no junglers, and that seems interesting enough to me to want to try. That's odd I usually end up with 3 ppl that wanna jungle on typically laning champs and I have to tell em to get stuffed when I choose warwick lol. Also ppl grabbing smite just to kill 1 spawn at the start of the game zzz. What do u guys recommend for marks on nasus? Currently using armour pen but considering using atk speed and even getting a AS item ingame since he seems soo slow in teamfights and the ult doesn't increase it like I thought lol. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On September 03 2010 10:53 Tooplark wrote: Can bounces crit? Can they be dodged? Someone needs to test all this crap. Maybe when I finish homework. no yes sivir can do a lot of damage but its not to 1 person. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + flash/ghost 9/21/0 mpen/energy regplvl/cdr plvl/energy reg QWEWER / then focus E+W Doran's Shield + Hpot Doran's Shield (yes get two of them, so pro) Sorc Boots Nashor's Tooth Abyssal Scepter Zhonyas You go from a strong laner into a not-squishy stunbot into a killing machine. I've been doing really well with this build in unranked games (except for the occasional complete meltdown when I solo mid, sorry redtooth ) | ||
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