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HeavOnEarth
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
not sure what to think about his skills until they flesh it out abit more. his ult sounds like itll be on a short CD. maybe something like corki's. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 22 2010 04:57 HeavOnEarth wrote: so i started buying baron wards super early when theres an enemy shaco jungling. FFF he can solo that shit with just madreds and starks(the aura double procs with his clone) yea, it still takes a lot to get to madred's + starks though, so you should probably take some measures to slow his jungling earlier (wards on golems mostly, he has mana trouble if he doesn't get them). but yea, even with impeded jungling, you have to ward baron around 25 minutes vs. a jungling shaco. | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On June 22 2010 05:04 Mogwai wrote: i've seen daegen and mxp do it at spawn (15 minutes right?). shit was ridiculous (edit: they literally were like TEAM ASSEMBLE right before baron spawned then just destroyed it, think they did it with lesser madreds). team positioning is so important vs good shacos. go do dragon or protect baron? bottom lanes being pushed but shaco is mia?yea, it still takes a lot to get to madred's + starks though, so you should probably take some measures to slow his jungling earlier (wards on golems mostly, he has mana trouble if he doesn't get them). but yea, even with impeded jungling, you have to ward baron around 25 minutes vs. a jungling shaco. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
bad shacos are horrible and useless. it's such a crap shoot when you see a shaco on your team  .ever done the 15 minute baron with shaco + heimer turrets? Heimer sets up along the ridge purple side with triple turret and that fucker goes down soooooooo fast. I saw it for the first time this past weekend and I was amazed at how fast that fucker drops. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 22 2010 04:54 Orpheos wrote: yea gunblade is definitely underwhelming for its cost. i never really theorycrafted before playing kayle and am too lazy to think of better items to get with her. plus i havent been playing long enough to know >_< starks sounds fun. although i should prolly pickup GA or BV first for some survival. oh adn for skills i get E first(forgot the name) so i can harass without too much mana(if i were too get Q first). then heal if my lane is getting really harassed. but after one to each of heal and E, definitely max R>Q>W>E. maybe get more heal if you are playing support alot. E is def last thou. extra skill points arent really necessary. really? I always assumed Kayles were going to town on leveling E because of how it's scaling improves with extra levels, but I have no idea, I just know that they're always charging in there with it activated, smacking the shit out of my team and then cleanse ulting when we try to do anything about their bullshit. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On June 22 2010 05:25 Mogwai wrote: really? I always assumed Kayles were going to town on leveling E because of how it's scaling improves with extra levels, but I have no idea, I just know that they're always charging in there with it activated, smacking the shit out of my team and then cleanse ulting when we try to do anything about their bullshit. well i personally use E for the ranged more than the AOE. Aoe is more for easy farming late game. only useful thing to lvl it for is CD, but that isnt necessary until you are spamming it lategame. most people forget that her slow also increases how much dmg she does to the target. thats why you max it when going DPS. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
I always follow this pattern of E, W or Q depending on who I'm laneing with, then Q or W *whichever one I'm missing* Then I spam E then Q and then W. Obviously I get my R when available. E just fucking rapes minions at level 2 and when it gets higher it's just ridiculous how fast you can kill a minion push and take down a tower in seconds. Always engage with Q on target enemy hero before doing your E. They take double damage if you do that. Since I have armor pen runes for my purples, most players don't realize I am nailing them for almost 150+ at level 3 per hit, you get somebody to stun them and I can cook them in no time. After my ring, sorc, GRB, combo I like the Rylai's cause of the added HP, AP, and the slow just makes sure they can't get away. Then I go GA or Mong's. Usually GA. After that, Black Cleaver can work to help make your E just roflstomps any squishy. Deathfyre's can work. Stark's can work. I like Phantom Dancer alot too, faster attack AND movespeed means NOBODY gets away. I usually spec mainly into offensive masteries with 3 in utility for the regen and 2 or 3 in defense for magic resistance. Pretty much you wait for people to group for the right, Q the most squishy or PTNTDF (Person That Needs To Die First) hit E and let'er rip. W and R as necessary. Always keep a blue buff on you after level 7. You'll need it and you can just spam E without it ever turning off. Red buff also helps with your AoE but try to save it for those who need it more. | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
i still think rylai isnt necessary. if you really wanted slow you should get mallet cause that will slow on your auto attacks as opposed to the one offensive spell that already slows. and im not sure they stack if you want AP get a straight AP item. it will increase your heals. and if you get nashor, you will increase frequency of your heals. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 22 2010 04:30 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: I've been having a ton of fun with Kayle after her buff. I usually go Ring, SorcBoots, Guinsoo, Rylai, then either GA or Phantom depending on if the team needs me to be more tanky or DPSy later game. I have full CD runes for blues, HP for Yellow, attack speed for Red, and Armor Pen for Purple. SorcBoots and Rylai's? I go boots + 1hp pot + ward at start. Rageblade, Stinger, Zerker Greaves, Nashors, GA. I don't see the point in Rylai's since your only ability already slows... | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
Edit: I like the Sorc's for the Magic Pen. I always have a full red page of faster attack speed and I get a Phantom Dancer as my 4th or 5th item. Usually I don't have a problem with my AS. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 22 2010 05:59 Mogwai wrote: yea, rylai's is certainly a waste on her, and zerker greaves > sorc boots on him. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Is ad Shaco viable? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I think someone should try to talk me out of getting malady on TF, cuz currently I've been building madred's first, then getting malady as a way to stack on-hit effects and boost my AS and lifesteal. Am I completely dumbtarded for doing this? I know it's malady, but somehow I still think it's the right choice :p. EDIT: Attacking shaco is the only viable shaco, but I don't know how much you consider bloodrazors and starks AD... AP Shaco sucks though for whatever that's worth. | ||
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